Seifer also blasted him with a fire ball to no effect lol, and it take’s real skill and control not to have taken each other’s head’s with those slash’s that marked their face’s dude.

he was trying to kill Squall with that Blizzaga dude to witch he survived without even a wound the next time you see him?, and did you see the size of it...much bigger than the masumune that’s for sure.

Seifer tortured Squall for hour’s man their is no way a normal person could go through that and still get up and fight like nothing happened (it’s here about 24-25 min’s in took me awhile to find so be thankful lol) oh and the beginning of the next one carry’s it on^^.

Well from what is shown Cloud is stabbed through the shoulder 1:48 second’s exactly that ISN’T a chest wound it’s his shoulder im sorry to say, and it’s obviouse Squall can dodge bullet’s alot of his enemy’s use machine gun’s to fight with in VIII now either he is bullet proof being shot so much throughout FFVIII or he logicaly in reality can avoid the bullet’s hmmm?.

t’s simple enough i mean did all those weak noob’s in FFVII actually hit Cloud in reality cus it’s turn based???, nope Cloud pwned them, likewise Squall was never shot in VIII cus he could dodge the gunfire.

Yea Cloud fought Weapon’s...Squall fought OMEGA but still Cloud fought weapon’s, anyway,

Seifer cut Odin in half (and Odin himself pwned everything in one hit throughout VIII aside from Bosses lol) just like Cloud cut Bahamut in half apparently..., also to note Gilgamesh diden’t even take Seifer down with his attack so it just go’s to show Seifer is no push over on any level you place him.

Erm the Buster sword is a big Sword it’s nowere close to the complexity of a gunblade aside from it’s waight what douse it require to weild despite immence strenth?, the Gunblade has been said to be a difficult weapon to master and only Squall and Seifer truely have the buster Sword had Angeal Zack and Cloud weild it without previouse experiance to my knollage?

Anyway Sephiroth is the only one who’s weapon in VII hasnt been able to be used by another because it is to difficult to weild and your point about Sephiroth and SOLDIER is correct both he and Squall trained from a young age to be the best and both did become the best (in their respected faction’s) and Sephiroth has proved to be more skilled than Cloud due to this training his loss to Cloud is clearly due to arrogance something Squall dousent suffer from.

Cloud dousent play with his dinner neither do that’s all im saying lol, and what is your point with Ultimacia not useing a sword could manipulate time and space was a reality warper and could summon beast’s like Graviour who wernt even surposed to exist...she basicaly made life my freind so i think it’s quight pointless to despute her useing a sword she was an OMEGA powered being to take her down would require a hell of alot of skill.

As i remember it Cloud also required a team in FF7 to beat Sephiroth who couldent even destroy a world without meteor nevermind time and space...(im not saying he wasn’t imence in pysical combat he deffinately was but he wasnt the most powerful being in FFverse) heck Kuja was stronger in raw power with all respect so unless Sephiroth AC is something crazy and world endingly powerful he stand’s lower on the food chain than what Squall has faced.

I don’t mind what we use it’s just i was pointing out game machanic’s are unreliable and unrealistic in an actual battle so Squall can use his Limit Break’s just like Cloud can..., so magic can be in or out Summon’s are outside interfearance cus Squall has Eden a dimentional destroyer so that’s not fair.

As i already said it’s logical Squall can dodge bullet’s as he wouldent have realisticaly been shot 500 time’s in turn based battle in FF8 lol, Squall’s attack douse take time to use just like Cloud’s but i was just pointing out it’s beyond human capability, im not sure if Cloud is better than his team...they all fought Sephiroth together in FF7?

Well naturaly Squall can solo any enemy in FF8 with Limit break’s in toe just like Cloud so magic get’s us nowere...

Once again proof that Game Mech’s hold no waight in a debate true summon’s are inferior to Sephiroth but it dousent stop them pwning him in FF7 douse it, just go’s to show it’s not logical at all (so you can’t say they depended on summon’s in FF8 cus they do in FF7 regardless of needing them or not the fact is we don’t no the truth about how it all went down).

he had dust in his eye’s he couldent even see lol, but he was mostly uneffected by the attack, and id like to see you randomly swipe someone with a sword to the face and not cut their head in two lol.

Squall did get Ko’ed as did Cloud from being impailed by Sephiroth the differance iss Squall suffered a much greater Injury with no wound to show for it he himself is even amazed as to why he has no scar (you did watch the video right) and what do you call that on Squall’s face at the beggining of FF8 blood and a scar so yes SE do put that into their game’s so it’s impressive Squall healed with no wound after Blizzaga impailed him

Id also like to see Squall fight Sephiroth both being military men and the best of their elite unit’s but sadly it isn’t likely...

not sure when that picture is taken but it dousent verify were he was stabed?

Squall took the torture and insulted Seifer and the gaurd who were subjecting him to it, he actually say’s just kill me (as he wouldent talk) and yea whatever getting impailed and then electrocuted for hour’s your gonna get up and go fight of a whole facility of armed guard’s like nothing happened lol.

It’s clearly his SHOULDER at 5:53 exactly lol and it’s close up so you can see.

The fact is Squall faced many opponent’s with machine gun’s and survived meaning he was not shot...unless he is immune to bullet’s lol

I dare say he is faster than bullet’s because he has fought many opponent’s (bigg’s and Wedge to name a few) and lived to talk about it, and weak noob’s are like shinra gaurd’s and such you start of fighting at the beggining of FFVII.

Omega is the most powerful weapon in all of FF that’s a fact dude did Cloud ever beat it...nope i dident think so, and Cloud require’s a team all through FFVII aswell regardless if you can solo the enemy or not (ohh you mean AC the CG movie lol well last i checked VIII dousent have one to display live action footage of how awsome Squall and Co would be in reality).

Odin can fight boses he just can’t one hit them realisticly, and Seifer one shoted Odin saying he wouldent be beaten so easily and even withstood Gilgamesh’s assault, why may i ask would Seifer be a weakling compared to Sephiroth???, you already said Cloud beat him like three time’s and Seifer has shown the same feat as Cloud (beating a summon in ONE move no less and is an acomplished swordsman 11 year’s in the makeing).

The Buster Sword is just a really big assesd sword the Gunblade is small eligant and require’s timeing to set of the vibrational trigger that add’s more attack power to a strike, that Kadaj fellow was fighting Cloud with one sword when he had two so was Sephiroth how complex could it be really (and head master Cid saying finaly a Gunblade specialist indicate’s how hard it is to use as Squall is the only SeeD to weild one).

Sephiroth fought Cloud for 3 hour’s lol were and when was this could i see proof (like on actual paper saying the battle took that long)?, and Sephiroth could have killed Cloud in that fight no problem (the fact he stabbed him in the shoulder clearly indicate’s he wasnt giveing his all to kill him).

(he beat Sephiroth 3 time’s in a fight)???

Squall isn’t argumented that’s Cloud dude and Ultimacia could destroy space and time that’s alittle bit more than Sephiroth could hope for lol, so beating someone on that level of power no matter who is with you is impressive she could erase you in time for crying out loud lol, she couldent be soloed their is noway christ deffinately without magic and item’s...

Super Nova is a proven Illution tho i mean he wiped out the sun please...why even need meteor riiight lol

So no 1 could beat bahamut but Cloud?, what about that Chaos guy he sure look’s more than capable of tearing it apart?, and Bahamut really isn’t that strong on a summon’s scale dude, i watched Sephiroth fight Cloud in AC and i can hounestly say Saifer looked more impressive what they flew around clashed blade’s and tore the side of a building of...needless to say Cloud dident exactly seem on par with Sephiroth in that fight running of kinda show’s that.

Well untill FF8 get’s a movie lol you and i will never know apart from in KH they seem pretty evenly matched lol.

Im not makeing Excuses Squall was point Blank when Seifer hit him with that Fireball how close was Cloud to dodge lightning?, and on the floor he had dust in his eye’s as you can see the peice’s of ash floating around on the floor around him (he diden’t grunt as they had no voice actor’s back then lol).

Indeed Cloud did beat Sephiroth before passing out but im talking about the proportin of the wound the size of the masumune is no comparison to a huge peice of Ice being shoved through you and to heal with no wound is impressive in itself, Squall’s scar in the opening of FF8 their is a spray of blood across the floor when he is cut so don’t give me that they don’t put blood in thir game’s (have you seen FF13 Versus they have blood in that aswell ohh and Kuja bleed’s when bahamut mega Flare’s him right down his forehead), the reason in 7 that Sephiroth’s blade produce’s no blood is becuase it’s so hot (remember when he slash’s the building’s and flame’s emit from the sliced debris)? Sephiroth’s blade burn’s the wound shut again (the clothe’s thing is alway’s a mystery)...

And why would he die lol he is more EXPERIANCED than Cloud has delt with bigger threat’s and has better Limit Break’s (did Cloud pass his Soldier exam)?, nuff said really lol

That pic you showed has his upper body from the side being impailed kk now both shoulder and Chest lie upon that part of the body, next if you watched the Video that is undeniable proof he was indeed stabbed in the shoulder it’s in AC like the actual movie the one everyone saw so it’s more cannon than a picture witch dousent verify were he was struck^^

Dude i spent hour’s finding the exact part were Squall is tortured ok he dousent say this is hell you can make up a lie to bide time or say just kill me, he then insult’s the gaurd and the Guard continue’s to electrocute him, the same apply’s with Seifer (also the player must reapetedly tap the x button in order to remain conchious, also it’s funny cus Squall genuinely know’s nothing yet he wind’s them up anyway), afterward’s he is set free get’s his weapon then rush’s to save Zell and Co...if that’s not badass i dunno what is.

show me were Enix say he got Chested and mabe we will talk but untill then ive backed up his shoulder stabbing with a video from the actual movie you showed what...?, a picture taken far back of Cloud’s upper body being impailed.

Well Cat Sith is actually quight underestimated lol, he helped beat Sephiroth so he must be quight skilled to have helped in that affair?

Squall is bullet time that’s all im saying he would have to be to survive against so many armed opponent’s, how do you compare Shinra guard’s and Galbadia Guard’s...their just people military trained their the same if anything

Omega is one of the most powerful entitie’s in FF history added specificaly to give the player more of a challenge than the actual game’s boss on many account’s, so did Cloud fight Omega in DoC? i mean if it was there why dident he atleast give it a try hmmm? I don’t think Squall could beat that Chaos person he seem’s alittle overpowered lol like Kuja

Your useing a low ebb Squall again when he made that jump he wasn’t even a SeeD yet it was his first assighnment lol, and once again you use AC a movie try useing FF7 cut scene’s i dident see Cloud preform any of the feat’s you speak of in that hmmm, so leave’s alot to be desired huh Squall may poses thos ability’s it’s just he dousent have a million dollar CG movie to demonstrate them.

WTF Cloud isnt as skilled as Sephiroth lol cus nothing is ubove him in FF7 remember your pwning ur own word’s here dude Cloud beat him with Omni-Slash cus Sephiroth was TOO SLOW (meaning he isn’t ubove everyone in all aspect’s like I said ubove just mean’s the strongest) to avoid it aside from that Sephiroth pwned Cloud in that fight as the outcome sorly proved..., Seifer has actualy trained beat a Summon in one move (witch you don’t even see so is he fuck as slow as Cloud) and skill is a no brainer 11yr’s training compared with what 2-3yr’s, plus both failed their exam^^, (not that it stopped thir progression lol)

and why do you think they NEVER had a Gunblade specialist when do u see anyone else weild 1 it couldent possibly be because no 1 has been able to master it could it???, id love to see you try sliceing people up while pulling the trigger to add bonus power and balence it out, in apose to swinging a big as sword.

No your Sephiroth’s defendant you should at least provide some backing so present proof that Cloud and Sephiroth fought for three hour’s or it’s just you saying they did without any backing, like me saying Sephiroth was pwning Cloud (witch with a step by step id gladly prove^^)

Nibleheim (wasn’t really a fight, but he did beat him)

VII in the lifestream (Granted)

AC (Granted)

I think were seeing thing’s alittle differently lol, Ultimacia did infact send them all through a time warp as we see in the end sequence Zell Irvine Selphie Quistis Rinoa and Squall the whole team were sent into a time warp
by her in the end, so logicaly she threw the team through time one by one when defeating each one aside from Squall who would have delivered the final blow via Leonheart (that is a logical explanation of the end of FF8), they were not fate protected they just refused to forget their past presant and bond’s for one another Rinoa and Squall most of all and obviously she wasn’t unbeatable she got beaten due to teamwork (something Squall the lone wolf had trouble with he could never let anyone get close to him) so this aloud them the final victory she couldent be beaten alone.

No Eden douse because it’s FROM another dimention witch it take’s you into then fuck’s you up, move’s like Super Nova and Zero Bahamut’s Giga Flare are easily dismissed tho (The sun the earth all of it would be gone/with Zero a large part of earth would be totaled and the moon aswell).

Were douse it say they fought Bahamut for 2 hour’s could i see please?, how do you know that Mega Flair was going to wipe out all of edge...why not just Cloud and his team???,

I ment Saifer Sephiroth lol but yea Seifer beat Odin in one blow their is no reason Bahamut would pose a problem as he sake’s of Gigamesh’s attack, oh so Cloud is no match for Sephiroth then he kept up but he isnt as good as him?,

I agree Zack was a Soldeir 1st class was he not?, i think Squall would still beat him but he is good at hand to hand aswell as sword fighting...like Zell and Squall combo lol^^