| 27 Feb 2008 10:27 pm |
12 days left. Splee? Rep: 75  Joined: 07 Jan 2008 Posts: 28,500 ONLINE |
 gg wrote:
It’s our posting here and making it a place where new people hear about it and come, that makes Bjarne’s own network of sites prosper too.
This whole lounge.moviecodec site, with all the different boards and ideas in it, came from a similar meeting last year. I and some others pushed for more, pushed for vbulletin, for the mods too, and to help alleviate the burden on bjarne in running this site so manually, and it met resistance.
Resistance is to be expected...from bjarne, a mod, some users. But the same problems keep coming back (spam, lack of mods, hacking, hate towards the site, people leaving, bjarne absent for months, etc) that this has to be revisted again.
Seriously, before last year, this place was bustling. You wouldnt believe how many thousands came here. Then problems. Then people slowly but surely leaving. Changes made to lounge.moviecodec, but still a year later there are the same problems. This place is dying. We keep losing more good people. More and more are disappearing.
I’m serious when I say this site I worry about in the near future. It could go to hell completely. End up a true wasteland. Ive been in so many sites that went thru all this situations, went from bustling to dead.
What you speak is true. Most of the forum sites that I have seen are like a ghost town. there is no one there, just an empty wasteland. i hope that it will never happen to moviecodec. speaking of, for the time that i have been here on mvc, i have noticed that we get new people who register to the site almost everyday, but the never ost at all. they just sit in the silence. that could also hurt the site in a sense.
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 | | 27 Feb 2008 10:30 pm |
How could I be happy? Rep: 58 Joined: 22 Aug 2006 Posts: 31,540 ONLINE | Mods tend to ignore Reports.
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I by the power of Truth, while living, have conquered the Universe | | | 27 Feb 2008 10:30 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 6 Joined: 14 Jun 2005 Posts: 4,138 OFFLINE | Vbulletin is just a format of conducting an environment for people to chat and meet.
It’s a company of developers who are famous and world-renowned. It’s the standard format for all forums because it provides 24/7 upgrades, dedicated coders etc. Not just one dude when he has some spare time once a year.
There are many vbulletin and non-vbulletin sites that are dead, and many that are not. It’s not the format itself that makes a place have thousands of members, it’s HOW the site is run — the mods, the coolness of people who post there, advertising, exposure etc.
But what does help far more is having vbulletin because of those things i mentioned. Mods have true power, there’s constant tech support, a huge array of options for mods and users, and we can build up the site with our ideas to make it better. Bjarne would still own the site and can pop in every now and then without burden. He can litter the site with all the things he wants like advertising etc. So it will always still be his. But it becomes OUR place.
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Monochromat. | | | 27 Feb 2008 10:32 pm |
How could I be happy? Rep: 58Joined: 22 Aug 2006 Posts: 31,540 ONLINE | Many members will find it hard leaving their old accounts, gg.
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I by the power of Truth, while living, have conquered the UniverseLast edited 27 Feb 2008 10:33 pm by NEREVAR117 | | | 27 Feb 2008 10:38 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 6Joined: 14 Jun 2005 Posts: 4,138 OFFLINE | Good point nihilus.
And I’ll tell you why there are silent users. Because people hear about a place, register, post a few times, and evaluate the site — for how cool people are, what kinds of trouble happens, and above all, how many users are online at any time.
Ive registered to hundreds of forums in the last 4 years, and i only stay with those that are bustling, lively, everyone gets on real well, there’s like a true friendship of people going on. I sit and watch those other sites. There’s too much spam, too much hate, too little cool people, too empty of users online that you end up just never going there again.
MVC has still kept up the fight in attracting people, BUT we keep losing them. We lose not only a lot of new posters here, who say “fuck this, this place blows”....but we lose long-time users, many many many good people have left. Never returned. Seldom return. Gone.
Two years ago, you’d be away from this site for a day, come back, and there were thousands of posts to catch up with, threads went from 1 page to 150. But now. I purposely logged on the last few days non-stop to watch how active this place is. Nothing happens anymore, it’s dying. But still hanging in there.
The idea is to make it go from 10 online users every day, to 20, to 50, to 100, to 500, to 1,500. In order to do that you need to KEEP the old members and KEEP the new members, make them interested to post, to keep posting.
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Monochromat. | | | 27 Feb 2008 10:43 pm |
12 days left. Splee? Rep: 75Joined: 07 Jan 2008 Posts: 28,500 ONLINE | gg wrote:
Good point nihilus.
And I’ll tell you why there are silent users. Because people hear about a place, register, post a few times, and evaluate the site — for how cool people are, what kinds of trouble happens, and above all, how many users are online at any time.
Ive registered to hundreds of forums in the last 4 years, and i only stay with those that are bustling, lively, everyone gets on real well, there’s like a true friendship of people going on. I sit and watch those other sites. There’s too much spam, too much hate, too little cool people, too empty of users online that you end up just never going there again.
MVC has still kept up the fight in attracting people, BUT we keep losing them. We lose not only a lot of new posters here, who say “fuck this, this place blows”....but we lose long-time users, many many many good people have left. Never returned. Seldom return. Gone.
Two years ago, you’d be away from this site for a day, come back, and there were thousands of posts to catch up with, threads went from 1 page to 150. But now. I purposely logged on the last few days non-stop to watch how active this place is. Nothing happens anymore, it’s dying. But still hanging in there.
The idea is to make it go from 10 online users every day, to 20, to 50, to 100, to 500, to 1,500. In order to do that you need to KEEP the old members and KEEP the new members, make them interested to post, to keep posting.
I know man. we gain new people but lose them at the same time. i mean, what is the point of registering if you are just going to sit there and do nothing? that hurts the site more than some people think. it could stop the site from growing. we don’t need a ghost town. we need a thriving city where we can talk with one another, but also abide by the rules at the same time. and another thing, i have also noticed that we get a lot of guest here at the same time. only about half of them register here and make accounts, but they usually go to the vs or music topic, which is not bad, it does help the site grow. i mean, once you plant a seed, you have to help it grow, not just sit there and let it wither away, that would make it a waste.
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| | | 27 Feb 2008 10:43 pm |
How could I be happy? Rep: 58Joined: 22 Aug 2006 Posts: 31,540 ONLINE | Simply put, MovieCodec is outdated.
I agree with gg. An upgrade would be very nice, and much appreciated by the members.
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I by the power of Truth, while living, have conquered the Universe | | | 27 Feb 2008 10:43 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 6Joined: 14 Jun 2005 Posts: 4,138 OFFLINE | Nerevar...i know many people will. But like i said, what’s the point having 30,000 post count if people no longer post here? If you find yourself not logging on anymore because none of your friends post here anymore.
Just last week i registered to a forum on football, where i start from 0 posts. So what? You go there, you meet people, you start a new relationship with people and a new site. Soon you find yourself posting there more than MVC because the place has 1,000 users online all the time.
I mean fuck, who cares about how many posts you have? Whats more important is that you have people to post with, that you love posting with the people who are there. That’s why spam is a problem because some people like to just post crap every minute to boost their post count..caring more about that than the content of their posts.
ANother forum i go to, people post huge posts like this all the time with each other. Because people just care about chatting and making friends, not vandalizing a site with bullshit posts. I honestly think a lot of people come here just to post crap, swear, hate on others, get away with name-calling and basic vandalism.
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Monochromat. | | | 27 Feb 2008 10:44 pm |
12 days left. Splee? Rep: 75Joined: 07 Jan 2008 Posts: 28,500 ONLINE | NEREVAR117 wrote:
Simply put, MovieCodec is outdated.
I agree with gg. An upgrade would be very nice, and much appreciated by the members.
i second that.
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| | | 27 Feb 2008 10:47 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 6Joined: 14 Jun 2005 Posts: 4,138 OFFLINE | Nihilus...Bjarne likes having guests able to post. I personally think this is okay, give them a separate board where new users can go and post, but the rest of the site is locked from them until they register. So what you have is a site FULL of interesting topics, etc, which is locked from them. So they WANT to register then to get access and contribute to the cool chats going on.
If you open the whole site up to guests who can post, then you dont lure them in at all. They post crap, vandalize and fuck off. Then that makes registered users start hating the place too.
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Monochromat. | | | 27 Feb 2008 10:49 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 6Joined: 14 Jun 2005 Posts: 4,138 OFFLINE | But, hopefully if we did have vbulletin that everything here, the content, post counts, etc, can be ported over. Just pick from the best threads going around too, dont bring all the crap threads, locked threads etc. Just bring the real good threads, popular ones, interesting ones. So that when new users do come to the site, they DONT think its a totally new site with 0 posts made in it.
gotta still somehow bring the content and archives of this site over, so that when new people come totally unaware of MVC, they’ll say “wow this place is bustling, look how many threads there are”.
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Monochromat. | | | 27 Feb 2008 10:52 pm |
How could I be happy? Rep: 58Joined: 22 Aug 2006 Posts: 31,540 ONLINE | If this happened, I think it would be a good idea to make the Gaming Clan more integrated.
Just a thought.
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I by the power of Truth, while living, have conquered the Universe | | | 27 Feb 2008 10:53 pm |
12 days left. Splee? Rep: 75Joined: 07 Jan 2008 Posts: 28,500 ONLINE | gg wrote:
Nihilus...Bjarne likes having guests able to post. I personally think this is okay, give them a separate board where new users can go and post, but the rest of the site is locked from them until they register. So what you have is a site FULL of interesting topics, etc, which is locked from them. So they WANT to register then to get access and contribute to the cool chats going on.
That is a good idea. We should more sections on the site where the guests can post freely. It makes them want to do more on the site. Without registering here they only get a sample of the site, but when they register here, they get to see the site for what it truly is. Kind of like a haven.
If you open the whole site up to guests who can post, then you dont lure them in at all. They post crap, vandalize and fuck off. Then that makes registered users start hating the place too.
This has been happening for the past few days. There is no point in that. And it does make them hate it to the point where they rarely come here or don’t come here at all.
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| | | 27 Feb 2008 10:59 pm |
How could I be happy? Rep: 58Joined: 22 Aug 2006 Posts: 31,540 ONLINE | Splitting the Guests from the Members board may not be a good idea.
It has it’s advantages and disadvantages, but would it truly be wise?
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I by the power of Truth, while living, have conquered the Universe | | | 27 Feb 2008 11:08 pm |
MvC's Vampiric Sovereign Rep: 48 Joined: 27 Jun 2007 Posts: 14,761 ONLINE | Spamming, flaming, lack of good mods... too many unused areas...
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12 days left. Splee? Rep: 75Joined: 07 Jan 2008 Posts: 28,500 ONLINE | NEREVAR117 wrote:
Splitting the Guests from the Members board may not be a good idea.
It has it’s advantages and disadvantages, but would it truly be wise?
But would it not? You can’t have advantages without disadvantages. We learn from our mistakes. It helps us in the future. I think that the wise thing to do would be for Bjarne to do what he feels that he must do for the good of the site and the people here.
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| | | 27 Feb 2008 11:11 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 6Joined: 14 Jun 2005 Posts: 4,138 OFFLINE | I dont even know why it matters so much to have guests able to post. If you do then you give them power to start threads. Give them their own board where they can chat, but they could just sit there and never register. Plus it’s the reason why there’s so much flaming, spam, racism and vandalism anyway. Guests!
All vbulletin sites i see they allow guests to view most of the threads and posts, but they just cannot post until they register. It makes you want to register, espeically if it always says at the bottom “currently online 500 users, most users online ever 1,500 Sept 23 2007”. Then guests will register.
I mean registering is free for fucks sake! You just put an email in and bobs your uncle. I cant see why having guests to THIS forum is so important. It IS important for the original moviecodec site because that was all about codecs and video copying etc. So it was important back then when this was PART of that site. Bjarne wanted guests to be able to post due to codec side of things. But here it doesnt matter at all. Bjarne can still keep them guests over at moviecodec, and make it registered only here.
But not anymore. lounge.moviecodec is like a whole other section now. People come here purely because of chit chat. So it should be registered users only can post. Guests must register. But guests can view threads posts to tempt them to join HERE.
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Monochromat.Last edited 27 Feb 2008 11:14 pm by gg | | | 27 Feb 2008 11:12 pm |
How could I be happy? Rep: 58Joined: 22 Aug 2006 Posts: 31,540 ONLINE | NihilusRavager7780 wrote:
NEREVAR117 wrote:
Splitting the Guests from the Members board may not be a good idea.
It has it’s advantages and disadvantages, but would it truly be wise?
But would it not? You can’t have advantages without disadvantages. We learn from our mistakes. It helps us in the future. I think that the wise thing to do would be for Bjarne to do what he feels that he must do for the good of the site and the people here.
Well, I believe that keeping the members and guests together at first will be a good idea. But if it gets bad, or the site has enough members to keep it stable. Then you split it.
Other sites have done the same thing, and it worked out fairly well.
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I by the power of Truth, while living, have conquered the UniverseLast edited 27 Feb 2008 11:16 pm by NEREVAR117 | | | 27 Feb 2008 11:15 pm |
12 days left. Splee? Rep: 75Joined: 07 Jan 2008 Posts: 28,500 ONLINE | NEREVAR117 wrote:
NihilusRavager7780 wrote:
NEREVAR117 wrote:
Splitting the Guests from the Members board may not be a good idea.
It has it’s advantages and disadvantages, but would it truly be wise?
But would it not? You can’t have advantages without disadvantages. We learn from our mistakes. It helps us in the future. I think that the wise thing to do would be for Bjarne to do what he feels that he must do for the good of the site and the people here.
Well, I believe that keep the members and guests together at first will be good. But if it gets bad, or the site has enough members to keep it stable. then you split it.
Other sites have done the same thing, and it worked out fairly well.
That seems like the reasonable thing to do. But it is up to Bjarne. We should try it out to see how it fares, but like you said, if it goes bad, then we should end it. you and i both remember what happened some weeks ago when a certain topic was “erased” and it seemed that everything was falling apart.
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| | | 27 Feb 2008 11:17 pm |
Polar Bear Slayer Rep: 31 Joined: 25 Aug 2006 Posts: 11,965 OFFLINE | Personally I believe mods should enforce rules more strictly, Why? because the only slightly strict mod we have thats active any more is totalitus, and then when S-AX came back one day and was strict on on skull kid like he used to be on everyone a LOOOOONG time ago, all the “newbs” couldn’t handel it
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