| 08 Mar 2008 01:04 am |
Addict (beyond 1337) Rep: 55  Joined: 17 Jan 2007 Posts: 5,014 OFFLINE | Tyreaus Rhade wrote:
Gplex wrote:
Tyreaus Rhade wrote:
The part of the definition I feel you should more specifically look at is “or beings." If it was just “disbelief in the existence of a supreme being," such a statement would prove true, yet the latter part does exist.
Why should it be? You want it like this : “disbelief in the existence of deities”
atheism : Disbelief in, or denial of, the existence of a god.
I’m just going to say this on a personal note: I think this has to be the most redundant and idiotic discussion to ever take place. I will not give reason why I think this, as I am sure many people already know.
Now, theism is the belief in a deity or deities. The A- prefix is used to denote, in the word atheism, that one lacks the item that is being talked about, lit. the belief in a deity or deities.
A theist would need one or more, where an atheist would need zero.
I am sure this has been stated before, by who I can remember not.
If you wished to get technical from a psychological standpoint, religious people would be atheist to a person of a belief that does not believe in the same or a similar deity, since they would not believe in the deity the other worshipped. Yet, religious people still believe in a deity, meaning we have a technical theism.
Why do they have to be separate? Why do you feel the need to make the mutually exclusive... You have not explain why they must be, you have explain why someone can be both, and you also try to force this belief that atheist must not believe in any gods, where most definitions clearly contradict your claim.
I believe somewhere their must be a god like being somewhere in the infinite span of the multiverse. But by your definition I would no longer be a athiest...
Theory does not mean an unsubstantiated guess or hunch, as it can in everyday speech. A theory is a logically self-consistent model or framework for describing the behavior of a related set of natural or social phenomena.Last edited 08 Mar 2008 01:05 am by Gplex | | | | 08 Mar 2008 01:05 am |
The Pendragon Rep: 34 Joined: 06 Sep 2005 Posts: 48,244 OFFLINE | RebornChibiDiscoDhaos wrote:
Tyreaus Rhade wrote:
RebornChibiDiscoDhaos wrote:
Tyreaus Rhade wrote:
Gplex wrote:
Tyreaus Rhade wrote:
The part of the definition I feel you should more specifically look at is “or beings." If it was just “disbelief in the existence of a supreme being," such a statement would prove true, yet the latter part does exist.
Why should it be? You want it like this : “disbelief in the existence of deities”
atheism : Disbelief in, or denial of, the existence of a god.
I’m just going to say this on a personal note: I think this has to be the most redundant and idiotic discussion to ever take place. I will not give reason why I think this, as I am sure many people already know.
Now, theism is the belief in a deity or deities. The A- prefix is used to denote, in the word atheism, that one lacks the item that is being talked about, lit. the belief in a deity or deities.
A theist would need one or more, where an atheist would need zero.
I am sure this has been stated before, by who I can remember not.
If you wished to get technical from a psychological standpoint, religious people would be atheist to a person of a belief that does not believe in the same or a similar deity, since they would not believe in the deity the other worshipped. Yet, religious people still believe in a deity, meaning we have a technical theism.
The fact is your still atheistic to other religions that are not your own.
That’s why I said from the psychological standpoint, but in writing and most other standpoints we are theistic because of our belief in our own God.
Well when I made this topic I was going at a psychological standpoint. But yes, you are right at the last point,when we are not on a psychological standpoint.
-sighs- well it’s one thing to claim that, in any point, we are atheistic, whilst another to claim we are only so in the eyes of others.
When you say everyone is atheist, it gives the former impression instantly.
(and, really, the term “everyone is atheist” isn’t really correct, as it should more be “everyone is atheist in another religion’s eyes” )
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The Mangekyou Sharingan Rep: 50 Joined: 01 Oct 2007 Posts: 10,508 OFFLINE | Is there any proof of multiverse...??? ---
 
“Great new ideas usually come from very small teams... don’t give up so easily." — John Kaster — | | | 08 Mar 2008 01:08 am |
Addict (beyond 1337) Rep: 55Joined: 17 Jan 2007 Posts: 5,014 OFFLINE | Itachi Uchiha wrote:
Is there any proof of multiverse...???
Why would our big bang be the only one in a infinite span of space?
Theory does not mean an unsubstantiated guess or hunch, as it can in everyday speech. A theory is a logically self-consistent model or framework for describing the behavior of a related set of natural or social phenomena. | | | 08 Mar 2008 01:08 am |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 10 Joined: 07 Mar 2008 Posts: 1,404 OFFLINE | Itachi Uchiha wrote:
Is there any proof of multiverse...???
No. Not to my knowledge. | | | 08 Mar 2008 01:09 am |
The Pendragon Rep: 34Joined: 06 Sep 2005 Posts: 48,244 OFFLINE | Gplex wrote:
Tyreaus Rhade wrote:
Gplex wrote:
Tyreaus Rhade wrote:
The part of the definition I feel you should more specifically look at is “or beings." If it was just “disbelief in the existence of a supreme being," such a statement would prove true, yet the latter part does exist.
Why should it be? You want it like this : “disbelief in the existence of deities”
atheism : Disbelief in, or denial of, the existence of a god.
I’m just going to say this on a personal note: I think this has to be the most redundant and idiotic discussion to ever take place. I will not give reason why I think this, as I am sure many people already know.
Now, theism is the belief in a deity or deities. The A- prefix is used to denote, in the word atheism, that one lacks the item that is being talked about, lit. the belief in a deity or deities.
A theist would need one or more, where an atheist would need zero.
I am sure this has been stated before, by who I can remember not.
If you wished to get technical from a psychological standpoint, religious people would be atheist to a person of a belief that does not believe in the same or a similar deity, since they would not believe in the deity the other worshipped. Yet, religious people still believe in a deity, meaning we have a technical theism.
Why do they have to be separate? Why do you feel the need to make the mutually exclusive... You have not explain why they must be, you have explain why someone can be both, and you also try to force this belief that atheist must not believe in any gods, where most definitions clearly contradict your claim.
I believe somewhere their must be a god like being somewhere in the infinite span of the multiverse. But by your definition I would no longer be a athiest...
Believing of a god-like being isn’t so much of theism as believing in a biblical god. With the possibility of our universe and beings within it being so large, it’s likely a being that would fit our definition of a “god-like” being exists, yet it isn’t that much of a deity as an extremely powerful creature.
(I’m also sure agnosticism plays a role somewhere around here as well, yet my brain refuses to function correctly)
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Last edited 08 Mar 2008 01:10 am by Tyreaus Rhade | | | 08 Mar 2008 01:09 am |
The Mangekyou Sharingan Rep: 50Joined: 01 Oct 2007 Posts: 10,508 OFFLINE | Why gplex said multiverse...??? ---
“Great new ideas usually come from very small teams... don’t give up so easily." — John Kaster — | | | 08 Mar 2008 01:11 am |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 10Joined: 07 Mar 2008 Posts: 1,404 OFFLINE | Itachi Uchiha wrote:
Why gplex said multiverse...???
He explained that a couple posts back. | | | 08 Mar 2008 01:13 am |
The Mangekyou Sharingan Rep: 50Joined: 01 Oct 2007 Posts: 10,508 OFFLINE | Thinking the molecule or DNA or something like that of God...??? Can we do that to ghost...??? can sciences do that...??? ---
“Great new ideas usually come from very small teams... don’t give up so easily." — John Kaster — | | | 08 Mar 2008 01:14 am |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 10Joined: 07 Mar 2008 Posts: 1,404 OFFLINE | Itachi Uchiha wrote:
Thinking the molecule or DNA or something like that of God...??? Can we do that to ghost...??? can sciences do that...???
What does this have to do with the topic? | | | 08 Mar 2008 01:15 am |
Addict (beyond 1337) Rep: 55Joined: 17 Jan 2007 Posts: 5,014 OFFLINE | Tyreaus Rhade wrote:
Believing of a god-like being isn’t so much of theism as believing in a biblical god. With the possibility of our universe and beings within it being so large, it’s likely a being that would fit our definition of a “god-like” being exists, yet it isn’t that much of a deity as an extremely powerful creature.
(I’m also sure agnosticism plays a role somewhere around here as well, yet my brain refuses to function correctly)
This still doesnt explain why they should be sperate... You even admit in your other post that religious people have atheistic views of other religious people deities...
Theory does not mean an unsubstantiated guess or hunch, as it can in everyday speech. A theory is a logically self-consistent model or framework for describing the behavior of a related set of natural or social phenomena. | | | 08 Mar 2008 01:16 am |
Addict (beyond 1337) Rep: 55Joined: 17 Jan 2007 Posts: 5,014 OFFLINE | RebornChibiDiscoDhaos wrote:
Itachi Uchiha wrote:
Thinking the molecule or DNA or something like that of God...??? Can we do that to ghost...??? can sciences do that...???
What does this have to do with the topic?
Yes Itachi wtf does this have to do with this topic?
Theory does not mean an unsubstantiated guess or hunch, as it can in everyday speech. A theory is a logically self-consistent model or framework for describing the behavior of a related set of natural or social phenomena. | | | 08 Mar 2008 01:17 am |
The Mangekyou Sharingan Rep: 50Joined: 01 Oct 2007 Posts: 10,508 OFFLINE | I consider this as atheis and religion topics so... ---
“Great new ideas usually come from very small teams... don’t give up so easily." — John Kaster — | | | 08 Mar 2008 01:18 am |
The Pendragon Rep: 34Joined: 06 Sep 2005 Posts: 48,244 OFFLINE | Gplex wrote:
Tyreaus Rhade wrote:
Believing of a god-like being isn’t so much of theism as believing in a biblical god. With the possibility of our universe and beings within it being so large, it’s likely a being that would fit our definition of a “god-like” being exists, yet it isn’t that much of a deity as an extremely powerful creature.
(I’m also sure agnosticism plays a role somewhere around here as well, yet my brain refuses to function correctly)
This still doesnt explain why they should be sperate... You even admit in your other post that religious people have atheistic views of other religious people deities...
From the psychological standpoint, yes, and I stated that in that context it is true that, in technicalities, that everyone is atheistic to other people. Yet in other, more concrete-logic contexts, a belief in a god or gods nullifies atheism.
Besides what I mentioned before, if one was to state whether he was atheistic or not, he would look at if he believes in any sort of god. If he does not, he is atheistic; if he does, he is theistic.
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Last edited 08 Mar 2008 01:19 am by Tyreaus Rhade | | | 08 Mar 2008 01:22 am |
The Mangekyou Sharingan Rep: 50Joined: 01 Oct 2007 Posts: 10,508 OFFLINE | Maybe not atheist but I can consider them to infidels... ---
“Great new ideas usually come from very small teams... don’t give up so easily." — John Kaster — | | | 08 Mar 2008 01:23 am |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 10Joined: 07 Mar 2008 Posts: 1,404 OFFLINE | Itachi Uchiha wrote:
Maybe not atheist but I can consider them to infidels...
And what do you do to infidels? | | | 08 Mar 2008 01:24 am |
The Mangekyou Sharingan Rep: 50Joined: 01 Oct 2007 Posts: 10,508 OFFLINE | Nothing... If they attack us we will defend... ---
“Great new ideas usually come from very small teams... don’t give up so easily." — John Kaster — | | | 08 Mar 2008 02:00 am |
Addict (beyond 1337) Rep: 55Joined: 17 Jan 2007 Posts: 5,014 OFFLINE | Tyreaus Rhade wrote:
Gplex wrote:
Tyreaus Rhade wrote:
Believing of a god-like being isn’t so much of theism as believing in a biblical god. With the possibility of our universe and beings within it being so large, it’s likely a being that would fit our definition of a “god-like” being exists, yet it isn’t that much of a deity as an extremely powerful creature.
(I’m also sure agnosticism plays a role somewhere around here as well, yet my brain refuses to function correctly)
This still doesnt explain why they should be sperate... You even admit in your other post that religious people have atheistic views of other religious people deities...
From the psychological standpoint, yes, and I stated that in that context it is true that, in technicalities, that everyone is atheistic to other people. Yet in other, more concrete-logic contexts, a belief in a god or gods nullifies atheism.
Besides what I mentioned before, if one was to state whether he was atheistic or not, he would look at if he believes in any sort of god. If he does not, he is atheistic; if he does, he is theistic.
So everyone has a atheistic view, dont you think that make them a athiest?
Theory does not mean an unsubstantiated guess or hunch, as it can in everyday speech. A theory is a logically self-consistent model or framework for describing the behavior of a related set of natural or social phenomena. | | | 08 Mar 2008 02:01 am |
Addict (beyond 1337) Rep: 55Joined: 17 Jan 2007 Posts: 5,014 OFFLINE | Itachi Uchiha wrote:
Maybe not atheist but I can consider them to infidels...
Your religions says to kill them right?
Theory does not mean an unsubstantiated guess or hunch, as it can in everyday speech. A theory is a logically self-consistent model or framework for describing the behavior of a related set of natural or social phenomena. | | | 08 Mar 2008 02:02 am |
The Pendragon Rep: 34Joined: 06 Sep 2005 Posts: 48,244 OFFLINE | Gplex wrote:
Tyreaus Rhade wrote:
Gplex wrote:
Tyreaus Rhade wrote:
Believing of a god-like being isn’t so much of theism as believing in a biblical god. With the possibility of our universe and beings within it being so large, it’s likely a being that would fit our definition of a “god-like” being exists, yet it isn’t that much of a deity as an extremely powerful creature.
(I’m also sure agnosticism plays a role somewhere around here as well, yet my brain refuses to function correctly)
This still doesnt explain why they should be sperate... You even admit in your other post that religious people have atheistic views of other religious people deities...
From the psychological standpoint, yes, and I stated that in that context it is true that, in technicalities, that everyone is atheistic to other people. Yet in other, more concrete-logic contexts, a belief in a god or gods nullifies atheism.
Besides what I mentioned before, if one was to state whether he was atheistic or not, he would look at if he believes in any sort of god. If he does not, he is atheistic; if he does, he is theistic.
So everyone has a atheistic view, dont you think that make them a athiest?
Everyone has an atheistic view as far as others can be concerned, yet this is only based upon that second persons view. In a third-person view, the person would still be considered a theist, which is what mainly determines whether someone is an atheist or a theist.
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