| 06 Mar 2008 07:29 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 10  Joined: 24 Feb 2008 Posts: 1,637 OFFLINE | Manchester Black wrote:
Pre-Crisis Supes had time warping punches and even flew to the past.Superman Prime is stronger than he is.
Big deal. Shadow makes time and space his bitch on a regular bases
Shadow Goku336 wrote:
Yes because Shadow knows what Kryptonite is.
Depending on the circumstance of the situation he might
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Buster Sword wrote:
Prove that you wouldn’t deny it then. Thought so.
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| 06 Mar 2008 07:33 pm |
The Clown Prince of Crime Rep: 20 Joined: 10 Nov 2006 Posts: 7,792 OFFLINE | Invaderzym wrote:
Big deal. Shadow makes time and space his bitch on a regular bases
And from the scans I showed you Pre-Crisis Supes flew to the past on a regular basis and his blows altered it.Also base Shadow does it for a certain amount of time.I’m not arguing for Cartoon Superman and I’m only kinda arguing for Post-Crisis.I’m really only arguing for Prime.
Invaderzym wrote:
Depending on the circumstance of the situation he might
Even if he did it would only have a serious effect on cartoon Supes.Post-Crisis can live with Kryptonite in his body and Prime isn’t even bothered by it.
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| 06 Mar 2008 07:39 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 31 Joined: 03 Oct 2007 Posts: 2,341 OFFLINE | i say Shadow
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| 06 Mar 2008 09:11 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 10Joined: 24 Feb 2008 Posts: 1,637 OFFLINE | Manchester Black wrote:
Invaderzym wrote:
This is questionable as needing rings to stay in super form is a gameplay mechanic. In the anime Sonic and shadow went super and stayed in their form for several minutes without needing rings. But really it doesn’t matter. When you are invincible, have unlimited energy, and can control time, 1 minute is more than enough time
Is that why Dark Oak fought Super Sonic to a standstill and then technically won since Sonic passed out?
We’re talking about shadow here. Shadow is stronger than sonic
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Buster Sword wrote:
Prove that you wouldn’t deny it then. Thought so.
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| 06 Mar 2008 09:13 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 10Joined: 24 Feb 2008 Posts: 1,637 OFFLINE | Manchester Black wrote:
And from the scans I showed you Pre-Crisis Supes flew to the past on a regular basis and his blows altered it.Also base Shadow does it for a certain amount of time.I’m not arguing for Cartoon Superman and I’m only kinda arguing for Post-Crisis.I’m really only arguing for Prime.
Ok can he slow or stop time like shadow?
Manchester Black wrote:
Even if he did it would only have a serious effect on cartoon Supes.Post-Crisis can live with Kryptonite in his body and Prime isn’t even bothered by it.
I need proof that it doesn’t effect him at all
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Buster Sword wrote:
Prove that you wouldn’t deny it then. Thought so.
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| 06 Mar 2008 09:39 pm |
The Clown Prince of Crime Rep: 20Joined: 10 Nov 2006 Posts: 7,792 OFFLINE | Invaderzym wrote:
Ok can he slow or stop time like shadow?
Pre-Crisis randomly pulled powers out of his ass but I don’t think so.
Invaderzym wrote:
I need proof that it doesn’t effect him at all
Knite is made from krypton exploding.Superman-Primes krypton didn’t explode it was engulfed by its sun therefore theres no knite in his verse and he isn’t affected by knite in other verses.
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| 06 Mar 2008 09:40 pm |
The Clown Prince of Crime Rep: 20Joined: 10 Nov 2006 Posts: 7,792 OFFLINE | Invaderzym wrote:
We’re talking about shadow here. Shadow is stronger than sonic
I know he’s stronger but not by that much.
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| 06 Mar 2008 11:51 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 10Joined: 24 Feb 2008 Posts: 1,637 OFFLINE | Manchester Black wrote:
Pre-Crisis randomly pulled powers out of his ass but I don’t think so.
Then shadow’s control over time > supermans
Manchester Black wrote:
Knite is made from krypton exploding.Superman-Primes krypton didn’t explode it was engulfed by its sun therefore theres no knite in his verse and he isn’t affected by knite in other verses.
Fine, with or without it shadow still wins
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Buster Sword wrote:
Prove that you wouldn’t deny it then. Thought so.
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| 06 Mar 2008 11:54 pm |
The Clown Prince of Crime Rep: 20Joined: 10 Nov 2006 Posts: 7,792 OFFLINE | Invaderzym wrote:
Then shadow’s control over time > supermans
Supermans durability,power,and speed>>>>>Shadows.Shadow will eventually let his guard down.
Invaderzym wrote:
Fine, with or without it shadow still wins
Maybe against Cartoon and Post-Crisis.He ain’t beating Prime.
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| 06 Mar 2008 11:56 pm |
Regular Rep: 1 Joined: 21 Feb 2008 Posts: 224 OFFLINE | Acrosurge is totally confused by the existence of this thread. How does Shadow even manage to hurt Superman here, let alone KO him?
Time-stopping is all well and good, but that won’t really help Shadow affect Supes. Even Shadow’s feats in his Super form don’t seem to match Superman’s best feats.
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| 07 Mar 2008 12:28 am |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 10Joined: 24 Feb 2008 Posts: 1,637 OFFLINE | Manchester Black wrote:
Supermans durability,power,and speed>>>>>Shadows.Shadow will eventually let his guard down.
lol what?
Durability: When powered by the chaos emeralds shadow is invincible. He can not die no matter what. He can fly into the biggest star in the universe just as it goes supernova, then take a nap in the black hole. And that’s super shadow. Hyper shadow is all that and more...I really don’t know how you can get more durable than being invincible, but hyper shadow is!
Speed? Come on. Chaos control. Master over time and space. Shadow can run around superman 100 times before he could even blink. And again that’s just super shadow. Hyper sonic moved so fast the game itself couldn’t keep up with him
Power? Shadow has unlimited power. Hyper shadow has more than unlimited...that doesn’t make any sense but he does!
And have you played a sonic game with shadow in it? Shadow always fights serious. He wouldn’t let his guard down
Manchester Black wrote:
Maybe against Cartoon and Post-Crisis.He ain’t beating Prime.
Hyper shadow > Super shadow > superman prime > base shadow
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Buster Sword wrote:
Prove that you wouldn’t deny it then. Thought so.
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| 07 Mar 2008 12:35 am |
The Clown Prince of Crime Rep: 20Joined: 10 Nov 2006 Posts: 7,792 OFFLINE | Invaderzym wrote:
Durability: When powered by the chaos emeralds shadow is invincible. He can not die no matter what. He can fly into the biggest star in the universe just as it goes supernova, then take a nap in the black hole. And that’s super shadow. Hyper shadow is all that and more...I really don’t know how you can get more durable than being invincible, but hyper shadow is!
One little problem.Hyper Shadow doesn’t exist and theres only Super Shadow so whatevers said about Hyper is made up.Superman is said to be invulnerable as well.
Invaderzym wrote:
Speed? Come on. Chaos control. Master over time and space. Shadow can run around superman 100 times before he could even blink. And again that’s just super shadow. Hyper sonic moved so fast the game itself couldn’t keep up with him
Hyper Shadow wasn’t in the game.Chaos Control isn’t his own speed I mean with his own speed he is much slower.Superman-Prime flew from one universe to another.
Invaderzym wrote:
Power? Shadow has unlimited power. Hyper shadow has more than unlimited...that doesn’t make any sense but he does!
Yet again theres no Hyper Shadow just Super.Everything said about Hyper is pure speculation.
Invaderzym wrote:
And have you played a sonic game with shadow in it? Shadow always fights serious. He wouldn’t let his guard down
Yes Shadow fights serious you act like Supes doesn’t.
Invaderzym wrote:
Hyper shadow > Super shadow > superman prime > base shadow
Do you know anything about Superman-Prime?He is the strongest Superman.That puts him above Pre-Crisis Supes who could go back in time easily,alter time with punches,move a galaxys worth of planets,etc.He had every Super hero on DC earth fighting him,plus the GL,and Sinestro corps and they couldn’t stop him.It took the sacrifice of a Guardian of the Universe to beat him and even then they failed and only powered him up.He was seen pwning and recruiting Monitors(they Monitor the universe)and fought Monarch who is basically Captain Atom at full power.At full power he can create and destroy universes.
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| 07 Mar 2008 12:37 am |
Regular Rep: 1Joined: 21 Feb 2008 Posts: 224 OFFLINE | Invaderzym wrote:
He can fly into the biggest star in the universe just as it goes supernova, then take a nap in the black hole. And that’s super shadow.
When has Shadow done this? I’d put odds on his Super form running out of juice before he can put a dent in Superman’s solar energy supply.
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| 07 Mar 2008 01:16 am |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 10Joined: 24 Feb 2008 Posts: 1,637 OFFLINE | Manchester Black wrote:
One little problem.Hyper Shadow doesn’t exist and theres only Super Shadow so whatevers said about Hyper is made up.Superman is said to be invulnerable as well.
No. Shadow is the same as sonic. Anything sonic can do Shadow can do as well. Sonic was able to go hyper so shadow would be able to as well
Manchester Black wrote:
Hyper Shadow wasn’t in the game.Chaos Control isn’t his own speed I mean with his own speed he is much slower.Superman-Prime flew from one universe to another.
Chaos control can be used to speed the user up
Manchester Black wrote:
Yet again theres no Hyper Shadow just Super.Everything said about Hyper is pure speculation.
No. See this is where you need to learn the difference between speculation and common sense. Let me use DBZ as an example. Pan is a saiyan but she never achieved super saiyan. We know ssj multiplies everything by 50. So if someone made a topic about ssj Pan we would take everything we know about Pan and multiply it by 50. Same with hyper shadow. Though shadow hasn’t gone hyper (at least no to my knowledge) we can use hyper sonic to tell us how hyper shadow would be. Not speculation. Common sense
Manchester Black wrote:
Yes Shadow fights serious you act like Supes doesn’t.
I didn’t say supes didn’t. YOU said shadow doesn’t
Manchester Black wrote:
Do you know anything about Superman-Prime?He is the strongest Superman.That puts him above Pre-Crisis Supes who could go back in time easily,alter time with punches,move a galaxys worth of planets,etc.He had every Super hero on DC earth fighting him,plus the GL,and Sinestro corps and they couldn’t stop him.It took the sacrifice of a Guardian of the Universe to beat him and even then they failed and only powered him up.He was seen pwning and recruiting Monitors(they Monitor the universe)and fought Monarch who is basically Captain Atom at full power.At full power he can create and destroy universes.
Immortality + unlimited power + Control over time > SMP
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Buster Sword wrote:
Prove that you wouldn’t deny it then. Thought so.
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| 07 Mar 2008 01:17 am |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 10Joined: 24 Feb 2008 Posts: 1,637 OFFLINE | Acrosurge wrote:
Invaderzym wrote:
He can fly into the biggest star in the universe just as it goes supernova, then take a nap in the black hole. And that’s super shadow.
When has Shadow done this? I’d put odds on his Super form running out of juice before he can put a dent in Superman’s solar energy supply.
He hasn’t but he could since he’s immortal in super form. Also if shadow was running low on energy he would just get some more rings
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Buster Sword wrote:
Prove that you wouldn’t deny it then. Thought so.
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| 07 Mar 2008 01:24 pm |
The Clown Prince of Crime Rep: 20Joined: 10 Nov 2006 Posts: 7,792 OFFLINE | Invaderzym wrote:
No. Shadow is the same as sonic. Anything sonic can do Shadow can do as well. Sonic was able to go hyper so shadow would be able to as well
Should be is the key word.
Invaderzym wrote:
Chaos control can be used to speed the user up
Yes but its still not Shadows actual speed which is what I was referring to.
Invaderzym wrote:
No. See this is where you need to learn the difference between speculation and common sense. Let me use DBZ as an example. Pan is a saiyan but she never achieved super saiyan. We know ssj multiplies everything by 50. So if someone made a topic about ssj Pan we would take everything we know about Pan and multiply it by 50. Same with hyper shadow. Though shadow hasn’t gone hyper (at least no to my knowledge) we can use hyper sonic to tell us how hyper shadow would be. Not speculation. Common sense
Hyper Sonic(going by the games)was only Super Sonic only completely invincible and with a flash attack.I know Hyper Sonic and Knuckles aparently destroyed a universe but so did Monarch and Prime.
Invaderzym wrote:
I didn’t say supes didn’t. YOU said shadow doesn’t
I didn’t say Shadow didn’t.
Invaderzym wrote:
Immortality + unlimited power + Control over time > SMP
Uh no.Guardians and Monitors are immortal and have nearly unlimited power and are no match for SMP.Time control is the only thing but he still can’t hurt him.
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| 07 Mar 2008 06:52 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 10Joined: 24 Feb 2008 Posts: 1,637 OFFLINE | Manchester Black wrote:
Should be is the key word.
I didn’t say should I said would.
Manchester Black wrote:
Yes but its still not Shadows actual speed which is what I was referring to.
Maybe base shadow, but super shadow has unlimted speed
Manchester Black wrote:
Hyper Sonic(going by the games)was only Super Sonic only completely invincible and with a flash attack.I know Hyper Sonic and Knuckles aparently destroyed a universe but so did Monarch and Prime.
Did you even play the game hyper sonic was in?
Sonic powered by chaos emeralds = Super sonic
Sonic powered by super emeralds = Hyper sonic
And it was super sonic and knuckles
Manchester Black wrote:
I didn’t say Shadow didn’t.
Manchester Black wrote:
Shadow will eventually let his guard down.
Manchester Black wrote:
Uh no.Guardians and Monitors are immortal and have nearly unlimited power and are no match for SMP.Time control is the only thing but he still can’t hurt him.
I couldn’t help but notice the word NEARLY. Nearly unlimted =/= unlimted
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Buster Sword wrote:
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| 07 Mar 2008 09:27 pm |
Regular Rep: 1Joined: 21 Feb 2008 Posts: 224 OFFLINE | Both immortality and unlimited power are subjective terms. This being the case, the measure of a powerful character must be in feats of strength, speed, power, or durability. So far as I know, Superman’s feats vastly dwarf anything Shadow has been shown capable of with the possible exception of Chaos Control, but then that wouldn’t help Shadow actually hurt Superman.
Superman wins this, based on feats. He has actually survived Super Novae and Black Holes. To my knowledge, Shadow has not.
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| 07 Mar 2008 11:09 pm |
ChibiDiscoDhaos guest post Guest | Shadow has resisted a black hole in Sonic X and he could certianly get hit by a Supernova and be FINE WITHOUT ANY DAMAGE WHATSOEVER. In Super form that is.
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| 08 Mar 2008 02:13 am |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 10Joined: 24 Feb 2008 Posts: 1,637 OFFLINE | ChibiDiscoDhaos guest post wrote:
Shadow has resisted a black hole in Sonic X and he could certianly get hit by a Supernova and be FINE WITHOUT ANY DAMAGE WHATSOEVER. In Super form that is.
I was just about to mention that lol.
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Buster Sword wrote:
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