The Galactic Empire (Star Wars) vs The Imperium of Man (Warhammer 40 000)

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You are right about one thing. Some people take these debates way too seriously, as if they are going to happen in the near future.

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You know to hell with it this is kind of fun. Here’s some examples of the plot devices I was talking about:

Force user would probably be able to deflect projectiles. I mean Vader absorbs blaster bolts in Empire Strikes Back, and thats encapsulated plasma. Deflecting metal projectiles and their shrapnel shouldn’t be much harder. There’s a force using technique known as Balistikenisis which can accelerate small objects to deadly velocities. I imagine deflecting projectiles would require a similar skill level.

There’s more force users left then you may realize. Extended Universe materials list dozens of jedi and force using survivors of the purge, including the Jenesari who are masters of balistikenisis. In addition the empire has over six hundred dark side force users, undoubtedly weaker then the emperor or vader, but then again we never see the full extent of their power.

Also in the extended universe the Imperial Remnant has a ship known as the sun crusher, much smaller and easier to produce then the death stars but far more deadly. Its weapons can cause a star to go super nova thus wiping out an entire star system rather then a single planet. In an emergency situation the empire would probably start producing them en mass.

Also I think the size of the Galactic Empire has been underestimate. The senate certainly looks like more then a few thousand. C3P0 is fluent in six million languages, which doesn’t seem to impress anyone. On earth there are hundreds of indigenous languages, however many planets in star wars don’t have the same amount of linguistic diversity. We could be looking at anywhere from 600,000 worlds to several million. On wikipedia it claims there are 25 million sentient species in the the Star Wars Galaxy.

It’d be real easy to write this into the even match up everyone likes to see.

Star Wars craft aren’t even made of materials we know of. They’re composed of Durasteel which as far as I know has indeterminate resistance to heat and impact. Sure we see supposedly durasteel AT-STs destroyed by rather crude means, but a writer would probably just claim those are made from a weaker more light weight durasteel. I imagine in an actual fan fic novel they’d make the armor on an AT-AT’s armor resilient to ordinance from the IOM in order to drag out the battle.

The Empire would definitely be at a disadvantage to begin with since its used to being the ultimate power in its region of space. Wheres the IOM has had to contend with attacks from several other races. However the empire would adapt quickly. It has all the technology it takes to mimic many of 40k’s weapons, and increase production of those few weapons which prove effective against the Imperium. In the end we’d probably get a stalemate.

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Possibly, yes. You never know. Maybe the God Emperor and Darth Vader would create an Alliance. haha

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Well in a real story they’d probably include several of the typical enemies of the two sides.

Here’s my thought. Palpatine dies but his force ghost infests the god emperor creating one single entity with power over both the warp and the force. The two then merge the empire and the imperium and become an unstoppable force. The empire is turned from a mere dictatorship into a completely dystopian society. Vader’s encounter with Luke works out differently, he realizes the error of his ways and joins the rebel alliance. They all ship off to seek aid from the Tau and Eldar two of the only semi reasonable societies in 40k. They give Tau hyperdrives to help make up for their transportation limits and the Tau give them some Rail guns and battle suits. There’s a big battle royal and in the end the god emperor-palpatine combo are separated by the efforts of the most powerful force users and psychers in the two galaxies.

To even have this match up there’d need to be some sort of space time portal, since 40k exists in the distant future and Star Wars in the distant past. So in the end the resistance would probably work together to close off this portal. Or use time travel to essencially “press the reset button"

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I see. Not bad.

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Because of the time difference the whole thing could start with the 40k people finding a wormhole to a galaxy of super advanced life forms living in a utopia governed by beings of pure energy (a more advanced form of jedi). The Imperium wants to conquer this Galaxy but the entities seem to be capable of shutting down their space craft at will.

So they alter the wormhole, using the warp in order to send their ships back to a time when the galaxy was primitive enough to be conquered but advanced enough toe be worth conquering.

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True, though the Ancient Sith were said to be more of a threat than the Sith of the current Star Wars universe, with Sith such as Darth Krayt.

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On the other Hand, the IOM has psykers, ill break it down:

Psyker ranking system:
Goes down greek alphabet

Omega to Upsilon: Less than human warp presence, lowest (e.g Omega) have negative warp souls and are called Pariahs, these cause fear in enemies and make even allies unnerved

Tau: normal human warp soul

Sigma to Kappa: Latent Psykers, mostly weak. Highest levels may seem unnaturally strongg, have strong wills or slight powers (E.G cause static when they are angry, throwing fireballs)

Kappa to Zeta: Psyker. Sometimes latent, sometimes unstable. Higher levels can cause explosions and can mentallly damage people when trying really hard. Can have premonitions, some can read minds.

Epsilon: First high-function Psyker. Can melt metal, limited mind control, crush people to death, cause brain haemorrages

Delta: blow up tanks, throw humans hundreds of meters, explode multiple heads, bullet shielding, mind control ship crew in orbit

Gamma: Vapourise vehicles, multiple mind control, large scale head exploding, the death backlash of one blew up a command tank more than 10x as large as an AT-AT, and blew it apart “Atom by Atom”

Beta: throw super-heavies, small army scale head exploding,
massive mind control, control crew members light years away.

Alpha: mind- rape armies, vapourise superheavies, mind control tens of thousands, take tac-nukes directly, vapourise huge areas of hive city (think coroscant, but armoured).

Alpha+: Mind rape planets, snap titans in half and hurl them miles, nuke cities, control entire ship crew light years away. send systems crazy

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Well that could be another fun plot point. They could send different expeditionary forces back through time, and one ends up getting butchered by ancient sith.

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Yes, and they are not one to mess with. Though some Sith such as Freedom Nadd are also powerful, since he was able to train Sith as a ghost, and take over the mind of Exar Kun.

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Beta+: E.G. Apex Twins: Mind Rape planets by accident (they were scared young girls) Supernovae sons, turn a Black Ship (Massively psycic warded psyker transport) into the Event Horizon (think the movie).
Other psyker (Nurgle) whose name i 4get: Fly between stars, raise systems as undead soldiers, destroy planets death-star style.

all the way up to omega plus (25 more places)

Omega+: warp God, e.g Emperor of Mankind, open multi thousand light year warp rifts, vapourise planets with a thought. Fight back 4 chaos gods. Empower millions of people millions of light years away. Project a psykik beacon across the galaxy, and all at the same time.

What do u think? Sorry 4 the long post

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Those psychers are easy to write your way around. First off the first few levels have powers fairly similar to typical sith and jedi, only the top three or so have abilities unheard of in a force user. If anyone’s heard of “The force unleashed” in the trailer Vader’s secret apprentice can pull a star destroyer out of the sky.

Since we’re dealing with two completely intangible forces they can be made to cancel each other out on any level. Maybe the force makes a better shield then a sword. The Jedi and Sith could be largely protected from the pycher’s powers despite their inability to do much harm to them. Note how Obiwan and Yoda are capable of blocking or absorbing force lighting despite their inability to create it.

Plus a Star Wars character could figure out a way to manipulate the warp using the force. Hell maybe in the Star Wars Galaxy the warp doesn’t even exist or is much weaker.

I’m curious, how do psychers work in the 40k table top, it sounds like they’d be broken as hell.

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Well, there are some Jedi such as Luke Skywalker, and Plo Koon who have been able to use Force lightning, and have created it and used it as a form called Electric Judgement, which can sap the energy from the enemy, or kill them in an instant.

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My mistake I didn’t wait for your second half. Top 5 or so is what I should have said.

And as for what I think, I think they’re broken as hell and sort of childish. Damn glad I picked up a Tau force.

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Eveythings nerfed to fuck in the TT. Space marines are supposed to move as a blu and kill hundreds of enemies. Even a lasgun can vapourise a man in a shot and shoot through walls. Meh, balance. Though GW released a joke set of rules called movie marines. A SM was 20 times as many points, and sergants could solo superheavy tanks. Suppose GW wants to sell its models tho

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Everythings OTT in 40k. They had a tank (Ordinatus) the size of a city that could of 1 shotted Britain. Take that AT-AT :P

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Didn’t the table top come first? In which case it would be more accurate to say everything is beefed up in the books?

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Jedi dont want to mess with the warp. Really they don’t. It would send even high level ones insane, and they would probably get possessed anyway. In Event Horizon (Which is based on early 40k) the crew clawed their own eyes out after witnessing what had happened on the other ship (watched the ships records). Imagine that but hundreds of times worse. You don’t mess with the Immaterium

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Didn’t the table top come first? In which case it would be more accurate to say everything is beefed up in the books?

no, GW has said the table top is changed for balance and that the books give the best idea of what WH40k is supposed to be like. Thats y space marines r badass.

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