The Galactic Empire (Star Wars) vs The Imperium of Man (Warhammer 40 000)

Pat

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Yeah but a star ship the size of a medium sized house which can make a star go super nova is nothing to scoff at.

From a writer’s perspective its real easy to turn this into an even match up and thats exactly what a writer would do if they were writing a crossover novel with the intent of distributing it. No one wants to see one side effortlessly wipe out the other, thats boring. People want struggles and conflicts.

Pat

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But did the books come first. When I look up 40k it doesn’t say anything about it being based on the books. When was the first 40k book written?

And with that kind of power being thrown around why doesn’t the 40k universe tear itself apart? What even happens when two psycher’s fight?

STR

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Problem with the suncrausher is, it has a pilot. Any Delta or above should be able to mindfuck him or worse, mind control him...

High level psyker fights are rare (due to there rarity and that there are are several million worlds in the IOM)
But two alphas fighting levelled a continent. Three Epsilon psykers looking through a hive city (multi billion peple) for another psyker caused thousands of suicides and insanity in tens of thousands.

STR

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Also, you have to remember that such losses are minimal in a galaxy where extermintaus (sometimes even blowing the crust off a planet) is preformed on a regular basis. There are no hippies in WH40k to care. possibly billions of guardsmen die each day.

STR

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The Tau are the only kind people (and even then not very, about as evil as the empire) but they are so insignificant they dont really matter. The only reason they still exist is because the Imperium hasnt really realised they’re there yet

Pat

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And these guys will instantly recognize the ship is present and intervene before the pilot has taken the brief time it takes to fire the sun crusher’s weapons? Plus after a few mishaps various plot devices could show up, using psionically resistant pilots, autopilot systems. Maybe some sort of warp shield which blocks out the psionic attacks.

Besides how many Deltas are there?

Pat

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But they do... What about the Crusades and such? The Tau have turned back Imperial attacks haven’t they?

From what I’ve read about the Tau society it seems much more reasonable then the Empire. In fact it seems more reasonable then several societies which have existed on Earth.

Pat

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Also you’re not taking note of the scale at which something as small as a sun crusher could be produced. The thing isn’t much bigger then the millennium falcon, millions could be produced in a very short time, each one capable of wiping out a star system. And with limited numbers of psychers we could be seeing severe loses to the Imperium. They’d be loosing a lot more then a billion Guardsmen a day, they’d be loosing hundreds of billions. Now I’m not saying thats enough to hand a win over to Star wars but it makes the fight more significant.

STR

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The Tau are nice, if your idea of Nice is “join us or die”. They are bad because they have to be, normally good people dont live long in 40k (look at the Emperor).

Deltas are fairly common, round 1 in a hundred billion (which is somewhere neaar the avereage poplulation for a 40k planet). And Psykers are known for premonitions, plus being able to detect souls light years away. A jedis soul will see, unusual to a psyker (These are astropaths by the way, with no real offensive capabilities, they will need another psyker with them to kill him).

This is startin to get boring though, i say we match up people from each.

Space marine vs Jedi?

Guardsman vs Stormie?

Baneblade vs AT-AT (not titan, thats cruel)

Ewok vs Nurgling? :P

STR

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Also you’re not taking note of the scale at which something as small as a sun crusher could be produced. The thing isn’t much bigger then the millennium falcon, millions could be produced in a very short time, each one capable of wiping out a star system. And with limited numbers of psychers we could be seeing severe loses to the Imperium. They’d be loosing a lot more then a billion Guardsmen a day, they’d be loosing hundreds of billions. Now I’m not saying thats enough to hand a win over to Star wars but it makes the fight more significant.

erm... no, the suncrusher cud not bwe mass produced because of thwe materials it was made from. It took the empire a long time to make even one.

Pat

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By the way wasn’t the second death star supposed to be fully shielded after its completion? Might make a good diversion.

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After its completion, yes, although it was still a thread while it was still under construction.

Pat

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"The Tau are nice, if your idea of Nice is “join us or die”. They are bad because they have to be, normally good people dont live long in 40k (look at the Emperor)."

From what I’ve read the Tau aren’t big on conquest. They are expansionist but they seem more interested in finding volunteers to join them rather then forcing their rule on other races.

“This is startin to get boring though, i say we match up people from each.

Space marine vs Jedi?

Guardsman vs Stormie?

Baneblade vs AT-AT (not titan, thats cruel)

Ewok vs Nurgling? :P
"

But thats not how literature works. Its not about the logical objective comparison of the two tech levels. Half the necessary information for that sort of comparison is undocumented. Its about the plot. The writers will make any excuses to keep the fight going. They’ll claim star wars Durasteel is more resistant to 40k ordnance. They’ll make blaster bolts pass more easily through 40k armor. They’ll have the empire come up with a “sun crusher II” which is mass producible and is equip with sensor jamming systems. Is it the sun crusher’s torpedoes or its invincible armor that make it so hard to produce? They’ll have a psycher of some kind join the SW galaxy and give them technology that protects against the warp. They’ll have Palpatine die but then become a force ghost who infects the god emperor. Plot devices like these are a forgone conclusion, thats how the battle would unfold if these two were ever put together in a book, comic because thats how literature works.

STR

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Plotdevicium, the strongest material in the universe :P

Nyway... back to fights (revs up chainsword)

Id say Ewok wins, they’re small and fluffy...

STR

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btw, what the hell was that answer about,i was saying wether u think each wud win. I rekon SM and Jedi r equal (baneblade wud probably rape an AT-AT tho, just drive behind it)

Pat

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That answer was my catch all. These debates are everywhere but right there is how they’d all really end.

But if you want to do those match ups so bad I’ll bite.

I’d say in some cases the Jedi would deflect the projectile weapons of the space marines and possibly force crush their weapons or make them explode. I think a light saber is a much better weapon then a chain sword, that thing looks so unwieldy. Since space marine armor is not made from kortosis I assume the lightsaber would go right through

In other cases the jedi would probably be more foolish and try to block the projectiles and get hit by shrapnel. Some melee fights might work out in the space marine’s favor.

Storm troopers have terrible aim, but maybe they’ll learn to not always shoot from the hip. I guess they’re still trained for those like battle line things from the clone wars. Storm trooper armor is obviously not very effective, in fact it may just be for intimidation factor. I guess that’d mean the guardsmen would be better but not invincible.

I don’t know about your tank match up, like I said we really don’t know how strong AT-AT armor is. But I guess if your tank could get in behind it it would be a stalemate.

STR

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I wouldnt say a stalemate, it fires a round about as big as a car at hypersonic speeds.

Pat

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Well that might knock the AT-AT off balance. But then it would be better to attack from the side then the back.

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It would also be better to attack the legs, since it’s their weak spot in battle, the speeders on Hoth made good use of this.

STR

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Well that might knock the AT-AT off balance. But then it would be better to attack from the side then the back.

no, that would smash the AT-AT to bits. If the speeders guns had been that size they would have fliped the AT-AT over several times. A normal tank roud weighs about 5 kgs. That thing weighs over a ton, and goes much faster. The only reason the Banblade doesnt fly backwards at several hundred mph is inertial dampers (E.G, in 40k, a 60 ton tank has 200 tons of recoil force)