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?? what is that looks extreamly complex

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I’m finding it increasingly difficult to pinpoint your spiritual beliefs Total. What are you? Agnostic? Atheist? Theist? Jo’s Mom’s Cucumber?

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Thats funny

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THEISTS

They actually think andd invisible man who lives in the sky popped out of nowhere and made the world with his magic!

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Damn straight!!!

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Enough fun seriously the pic shows more towards a creationist way of thinking the thing pop up already complete with no change during that whole time.

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DISCUSS DAMNIT!

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good louck totalitus you cant say
anything on this sight with out people
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Well seriously speaking, if the person who made this is having a hard time understanding how matter could just pop into existence, try and imagine complex intelligent matter (god) just popping into existence.

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God never popped into existance. He was always there.

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So basically, your telling me he is eternal, right? Eternal describes infinite but in terms of time. If god is infinite (eternal), then shouldn’t an infinite amount of time have passed in order to get to the point where we are?

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Eternal is unchanging. He would not have had to face an infinite amount of time before now to have always existed because there would have been no time and because it didn’t affect him anyway.
The only reason he would appear to have “changed” when he made his creation would be because time would seem to be passing for his creations when for an Eternal every point in time would to go on simeltaneously forever, from the unexistant beginning to the unexistant end.

This didn’t happen out of nowhere, if something is Eternal, it does not need a cause. A cause implies beginning, an Eternal has no beginning and thus needs no cause to have always existed, unlike finite things, which is what many of you are comparing him with.
Now for this thing to exist, it would have to exist beyond the properties of our universe. And those properties are pretty much space, time, matter and energy.

If something was beyond time that would make it Eternal.
If something was beyond space that would make it Omnipresent.
If something was beyond matter and energy that would make it Immaterial.
And what’s more this “thing” must have created the universe.

Sounds like a God to me.

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So it’s either God popped into existence and created everything. Or everything popped into existence on it’s own.

Seems to me, if you agree with one theory but not the other because one idea seems silly, you’re only making a fool of yourself.

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Seriously though, everyone here get this straight:

God didn’t “pop into” existance, he always existed, exists now and always will exist, because he was/is/will always be Eternal. There’s a big difference there.

Btw Nevear; I didn’t choose this one because the alternative sounds silly, I just think this makes more sense than the other one.

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