| 04 Apr 2008 05:33 pm |
Regular Rep: 10  Joined: 30 Mar 2008 Posts: 453 OFFLINE | Does anyone in here know anything about Nihilism? I’ve often heard of it and read in different places about it, but I’ve never really found out what it is all about. Maybe because I’ve never met anyone that is a Nihilist.
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11 days left. Splee? Rep: 75  Joined: 07 Jan 2008 Posts: 28,604 ONLINE | It means to believe in nothing.
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Regular Rep: 10  Joined: 30 Mar 2008 Posts: 453 OFFLINE | NihilusRavager7780 wrote:
It means to believe in nothing.
Wouldn’t that count as Atheism?
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The one and forever only... Rep: 39  Joined: 11 Feb 2008 Posts: 10,620 OFFLINE | Nihilusm
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Don’t FUCK with my insanity I’ll warp your REALiTY | | | 04 Apr 2008 05:39 pm |
The one and forever only... Rep: 39  Joined: 11 Feb 2008 Posts: 10,620 OFFLINE | Inno A Satana wrote:
NihilusRavager7780 wrote:
It means to believe in nothing.
Wouldn’t that count as Atheism?
No atheist believe in truth nihilism believes nothing
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Don’t FUCK with my insanity I’ll warp your REALiTY | | | 04 Apr 2008 05:40 pm |
11 days left. Splee? Rep: 75  Joined: 07 Jan 2008 Posts: 28,604 ONLINE | Inno A Satana wrote:
NihilusRavager7780 wrote:
It means to believe in nothing.
Wouldn’t that count as Atheism?
I wouldn’t say so. Atheism is to not believe in God or any gods that people believe in. This is Nihilism
Nihilism (from the Latin nihil, nothing) is a philosophical position which argues that Being, especially past and current human existence, is without objective meaning, purpose, comprehensible truth, or essential value. Nihilists generally assert some or all of the following:
* there is no reasonable proof of the existence of a higher ruler or creator,
* a “true morality” does not exist, and
* objective secular ethics are impossible; therefore, life has, in a sense, no truth, and no action is objectively preferable to any other.
The term nihilism is sometimes used synonymously with anomie to denote a general mood of despair at the pointlessness of existence.
Nihilism can be a charge leveled against a particular idea, movement, or group; however, it is also a philosophical position to which one may overtly subscribe. Movements such as Dada, Futurism, and deconstructionism, among others, have been identified by commentators as “nihilistic” at various times in various contexts. Often this means or is meant to imply that the beliefs of the accuser are more substantial or truthful, whereas the beliefs of the accused are nihilistic, and thereby comparatively amount to nothing (or are simply claimed to be destructively amoralistic).
Nihilism is also a characteristic that has been ascribed to time periods: for example, Jean Baudrillard and others have called postmodernity a nihilistic epoch, and some Christian theologians and figures of religious authority have asserted that postmodernity and many aspects of modernity represent the rejection of God, and therefore are nihilistic.
Nihilism differs from skepticism in that skepticism doesn’t reject claims to truth outright; it only rejects these claims if there is insufficient empirical evidence to support them. Additionally, skepticism does not necessarily come to any conclusions about the reality of moral concepts nor does it deal so intimately with questions about the meaning of an existence without knowable truth.
In the domain of ethics, nihilist or nihilistic is often used as a derogatory term referring to a complete rejection of all systems of authority, morality, and normativity, or one who purportedly makes such a rejection. Either through the rejection of previously accepted bases of belief or through extreme relativism or skepticism, the moral nihilist is construed as one who believes that none of these claims to power are valid. Nihilism not only dismisses received moral values, but rejects 'morality' outright.
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Regular Rep: 10  Joined: 30 Mar 2008 Posts: 453 OFFLINE | Ahh I see, thanks for clearing that up for me, so are any of you guys Nihilist?
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11 days left. Splee? Rep: 75  Joined: 07 Jan 2008 Posts: 28,604 ONLINE | No. I am a christian.
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hahahahaha Rep: 26  Joined: 10 Sep 2005 Posts: 14,939 OFFLINE | NihilusRavager7780 wrote:
Inno A Satana wrote:
NihilusRavager7780 wrote:
It means to believe in nothing.
Wouldn’t that count as Atheism?
I wouldn’t say so. Atheism is to not believe in God or any gods that people believe in. This is Nihilism
Nihilism (from the Latin nihil, nothing) is a philosophical position which argues that Being, especially past and current human existence, is without objective meaning, purpose, comprehensible truth, or essential value. Nihilists generally assert some or all of the following:
* there is no reasonable proof of the existence of a higher ruler or creator,
* a “true morality” does not exist, and
* objective secular ethics are impossible; therefore, life has, in a sense, no truth, and no action is objectively preferable to any other.
The term nihilism is sometimes used synonymously with anomie to denote a general mood of despair at the pointlessness of existence.
Nihilism can be a charge leveled against a particular idea, movement, or group; however, it is also a philosophical position to which one may overtly subscribe. Movements such as Dada, Futurism, and deconstructionism, among others, have been identified by commentators as “nihilistic” at various times in various contexts. Often this means or is meant to imply that the beliefs of the accuser are more substantial or truthful, whereas the beliefs of the accused are nihilistic, and thereby comparatively amount to nothing (or are simply claimed to be destructively amoralistic).
Nihilism is also a characteristic that has been ascribed to time periods: for example, Jean Baudrillard and others have called postmodernity a nihilistic epoch, and some Christian theologians and figures of religious authority have asserted that postmodernity and many aspects of modernity represent the rejection of God, and therefore are nihilistic.
Nihilism differs from skepticism in that skepticism doesn’t reject claims to truth outright; it only rejects these claims if there is insufficient empirical evidence to support them. Additionally, skepticism does not necessarily come to any conclusions about the reality of moral concepts nor does it deal so intimately with questions about the meaning of an existence without knowable truth.
In the domain of ethics, nihilist or nihilistic is often used as a derogatory term referring to a complete rejection of all systems of authority, morality, and normativity, or one who purportedly makes such a rejection. Either through the rejection of previously accepted bases of belief or through extreme relativism or skepticism, the moral nihilist is construed as one who believes that none of these claims to power are valid. Nihilism not only dismisses received moral values, but rejects 'morality' outright.
yup. essentialy what i would be if i weren’t a christian. i mean, honestly, there are 6 and a half billion people on earth, and that is just one slice of time. we are one small planet, on a universe that we can see billions of light years into (we can see that far, but it probably extends further). what the fuck am i?
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11 days left. Splee? Rep: 75  Joined: 07 Jan 2008 Posts: 28,604 ONLINE | It does make you wonder.
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The Mangekyou Sharingan Rep: 44  Joined: 01 Oct 2007 Posts: 9,371 OFFLINE | Even our cant reach it doesnt it doesnt exist...
Miyamoto Musashi,, Chapter Void...
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“Great new ideas usually come from very small teams... don’t give up so easily." — John Kaster — | | | 05 Apr 2008 09:25 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 21  Joined: 26 Dec 2007 Posts: 1,880 OFFLINE | It’s more philosophy than religion. Or at least to me. I consider shit like Buddhism, Islam and Christianity religion, and sopolism, nihilism and optimism philosophy.
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UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 25  Joined: 06 May 2007 Posts: 3,031 OFFLINE | Inno A Satana wrote:
Does anyone in here know anything about Nihilism? I’ve often heard of it and read in different places about it, but I’ve never really found out what it is all about. Maybe because I’ve never met anyone that is a Nihilist.
I am a nihilist. It depends what type of nihilism you are looking at: Religious, Political, Existential, etc.
I am personally an all around nihilist.
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UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 25  Joined: 06 May 2007 Posts: 3,031 OFFLINE | What I believe as Nihilist:
Human existence does not really have value. Our creation was not on purpse, but was merely an accident by evolution, as is every creature/plant on the earth.
Morals do not exist (there is no such thing as right or wrong) What is good or evil differs from one person to the other. There were no such thing as laws before government, so what would stop someone from murdering someone, or something like that? Even if we did murder someone, what is the difference between that and killing an animal? None.
Emotion does not exist, in a way. People imagine emotion in a way that it has nothing to do with our chemistry. Instinct makes us feel certain things so we can contemplate what we need in order to survive. It is just your body telling your brain if you need something.
God does not exist. There is no evidence to support the idea of the existance of a God. Even if there was a God, why should we worship him? What did he ever do for us?
Religion as a whole does not exist. It is a figment of our imagination that works just like a story. We visualize the story, but because we are told that it is true, we believe the story, and can imagine it easier than bedtime stories, even though both religion and bedtime stories are both just as hard to believe.
That is just a brief overview.
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  Last edited 26 Apr 2008 04:46 pm by petrofsky | | | 26 Apr 2008 04:44 pm |
Regular Rep: 10  Joined: 30 Mar 2008 Posts: 453 OFFLINE | I consider myself a Nihilist now after reading that thread you made a while back. I also apply a few of the philosophies of LaVeyan Satanism, but not all of it. I like taking different ideas from different cultures and religions and making my own philosophy sortof.
But pretty much I would consider myself a Nihilist now. I agree with everything that it consists of.
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Agent of Chaos Rep: 47  Joined: 10 Aug 2005 Posts: 38,722 OFFLINE | Interesting. I guess the only reason I’m not this is because it seems to underestimate nature.
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It’s not about money. It’s about sending a message. Everything burns. | | | 27 Apr 2008 04:01 am |
The Mangekyou Sharingan Rep: 44  Joined: 01 Oct 2007 Posts: 9,371 OFFLINE | Hmmm... so we are robot that moving on its own...???
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UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 10 Joined: 07 Mar 2008 Posts: 1,401 OFFLINE | petrofsky wrote:
What I believe as Nihilist:
Human existence does not really have value. Our creation was not on purpse, but was merely an accident by evolution, as is every creature/plant on the earth.
So basically you consider yourself worthless? I can agree to an extent, we are not part of some magical plan, but I believe we make our own meaning in life. We may not be 'chosen' but yeah, I think you get what I mean.
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Morals do not exist (there is no such thing as right or wrong) What is good or evil differs from one person to the other. There were no such thing as laws before government, so what would stop someone from murdering someone, or something like that? Even if we did murder someone, what is the difference between that and killing an animal? None.
Society needs morals to keep it inline and such. I supose I get what your saying about the animal thing too, but what would make you more pissed off? Your mom getting murdered or your dog getting hit by a car?
Emotion does not exist, in a way. People imagine emotion in a way that it has nothing to do with our chemistry. Instinct makes us feel certain things so we can contemplate what we need in order to survive. It is just your body telling your brain if you need something.
Yes, I agree. All your emotions are needed to survive in this world. I agree with this part.
God does not exist. There is no evidence to support the idea of the existance of a God. Even if there was a God, why should we worship him? What did he ever do for us?
Exactly...And if a god or gods do exist then it depends on what religion your talking about.
Religion as a whole does not exist. It is a figment of our imagination that works just like a story. We visualize the story, but because we are told that it is true, we believe the story, and can imagine it easier than bedtime stories, even though both religion and bedtime stories are both just as hard to believe.
What exactly do you mean by it’s a figment of our imagination. Do you mean what they believe is? Or the entire thing(Churches and such) are just our imagination?
That is just a brief overview.
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A level beyond omnipotence...Last edited 27 Apr 2008 12:38 pm by RebornChibiDiscoDhaos | | | 27 Apr 2008 12:47 pm |
petrofsky nli Guest | RebornChibiDiscoDhaos wrote:
petrofsky wrote:
What I believe as Nihilist:
Human existence does not really have value. Our creation was not on purpse, but was merely an accident by evolution, as is every creature/plant on the earth.
So basically you consider yourself worthless? I can agree to an extent, we are not part of some magical plan, but I believe we make our own meaning in life. We may not be 'chosen' but yeah, I think you get what I mean.
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Morals do not exist (there is no such thing as right or wrong) What is good or evil differs from one person to the other. There were no such thing as laws before government, so what would stop someone from murdering someone, or something like that? Even if we did murder someone, what is the difference between that and killing an animal? None.
Society needs morals to keep it inline and such. I supose I get what your saying about the animal thing too, but what would make you more pissed off? Your mom getting murdered or your dog getting hit by a car?
Emotion does not exist, in a way. People imagine emotion in a way that it has nothing to do with our chemistry. Instinct makes us feel certain things so we can contemplate what we need in order to survive. It is just your body telling your brain if you need something.
Yes, I agree. All your emotions are needed to survive in this world. I agree with this part.
God does not exist. There is no evidence to support the idea of the existance of a God. Even if there was a God, why should we worship him? What did he ever do for us?
Exactly...And if a god or gods do exist then it depends on what religion your talking about.
Religion as a whole does not exist. It is a figment of our imagination that works just like a story. We visualize the story, but because we are told that it is true, we believe the story, and can imagine it easier than bedtime stories, even though both religion and bedtime stories are both just as hard to believe.
What exactly do you mean by it’s a figment of our imagination. Do you mean what they believe is? Or the entire thing(Churches and such) are just our imagination?
That is just a brief overview.
1.) Pretty much, yes, correct. I am worthless. I am a small part of this world. If I were to die, I would not make much of a difference to this world physically. I personally don’t find a meaning to life period, so still I consider us all worthless.
2.) Once again, that is all instinct. Our chemicals build up more to things that are more inpacting on our lives, so yes, we would get more pissed off at that because our instincts have connected us to our mothers a lot more because they have raised us. Because we still have that conscious idea that we need our parents to survive throughout our entire lives, loosing a parent would be much more devastating.
3.) (religion) What I mean by it is a figment of our imagination is kinda complex, but this is probably a better way to put it. Once again, they were pretty much stories out in our head as kids. We are constantly told that these stories were true and really happened, so, consciously, we start to believe that it is true. There is no difference, in my views, between stories from the bible or any holy book for that matter, and a bedtime story. But because we are told that these bible stories are true, we start to believe them. I hope that made a little more sense.
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petrofsky nli Guest | Itachi Uchiha wrote:
Hmmm... so we are robot that moving on its own...???
HAHAHAHA no. You once again are making sweeping, and very ignorant generalizations on the ideas of nihilism. We believe that we are just a bunch of chemicals randomly thrown together pretty much in ways and then evolution made us so whoever can survive defines the organism, creating flesh, bone etc.
Please Itachi, do not post anywhere in these forums if you have no idea what you are talking about.
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