| 07 Apr 2008 01:49 am |
or just Red Rep: 72  Joined: 30 Apr 2007 Posts: 16,991 OFFLINE | firewolf81 wrote:
You have free will. The knowledge of whats future bound doesn’t make free will any less real. Within the realm of possibility there exists infinite relaities, each reflecting a choice. God being all knowing has no problem comprehending the sheer magnatude of infinitite possibility.
Exactly.
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| 07 Apr 2008 01:51 am |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 27 Joined: 07 Mar 2008 Posts: 1,354 OFFLINE | firewolf81 wrote:
You have free will. The knowledge of whats future bound doesn’t make free will any less real. Within the realm of possibility there exists infinite relaities, each reflecting a choice. God being all knowing has no problem comprehending the sheer magnatude of infinitite possibility.
God knows what each version of yourself will choose in each reality even before you have a choose nullifying free will because no matter what you can’t go against God’s plan
“Since the beginning of time twas written in the stones that one day a band would come. Well, that band has come and now they’re here to come again in your ear pussies.“ | |
| 07 Apr 2008 01:52 am |
or just Red Rep: 72Joined: 30 Apr 2007 Posts: 16,991 OFFLINE | KlNG JOHN wrote:
firewolf81 wrote:
You have free will. The knowledge of whats future bound doesn’t make free will any less real. Within the realm of possibility there exists infinite relaities, each reflecting a choice. God being all knowing has no problem comprehending the sheer magnatude of infinitite possibility.
God knows what each version of yourself will choose in each reality even before you have a choose nullifying free will because no matter what you can’t go against God’s plan
God let’s you make your own choices.
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| 07 Apr 2008 01:53 am |
Not your average guest Guest | God is all knowing and all powerful. Due to having those traits he also possesses the ability to be free from the laws and logic of man. We, as humans, are too simple to understand something as complicated as God. So even if somebody were to explain, you’d deny it out of fear of the unknown.
However, to answer your question as simply as I possibly can.
God is omnipotent and omniscient. This seems to be a oxymoron for the very reason you have stated. Free will doesn’t exist if our path is predetermined. That’s why our paths remain unknown. God has the ability to look into our futures, he can know everything you’ll ever do. That’s because he’s omniscient. However, he chooses not to look. Therefore he doesn’t know what our futures hold. That doesn’t make him omniscient because he can still do it.
I don’t even believe in God, and yet I can figure that one out. | |
| 07 Apr 2008 01:53 am |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 27Joined: 07 Mar 2008 Posts: 1,354 OFFLINE | Red_Calibur9 wrote:
KlNG JOHN wrote:
firewolf81 wrote:
You have free will. The knowledge of whats future bound doesn’t make free will any less real. Within the realm of possibility there exists infinite relaities, each reflecting a choice. God being all knowing has no problem comprehending the sheer magnatude of infinitite possibility.
God knows what each version of yourself will choose in each reality even before you have a choose nullifying free will because no matter what you can’t go against God’s plan
God let’s you make your own choices.
But if he knows what choice your will make then you can’t go against that choice
“Since the beginning of time twas written in the stones that one day a band would come. Well, that band has come and now they’re here to come again in your ear pussies.“ | |
| 07 Apr 2008 01:55 am |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 27Joined: 07 Mar 2008 Posts: 1,354 OFFLINE | Not your average guest wrote:
God is all knowing and all powerful. Due to having those traits he also possesses the ability to be free from the laws and logic of man. We, as humans, are too simple to understand something as complicated as God. So even if somebody were to explain, you’d deny it out of fear of the unknown.
However, to answer your question as simply as I possibly can.
God is omnipotent and omniscient. This seems to be a oxymoron for the very reason you have stated. Free will doesn’t exist if our path is predetermined. That’s why our paths remain unknown. God has the ability to look into our futures, he can know everything you’ll ever do. That’s because he’s omniscient. However, he chooses not to look. Therefore he doesn’t know what our futures hold. That doesn’t make him omniscient because he can still do it.
I don’t even believe in God, and yet I can figure that one out.
the fact that God chooses not to look (and i don’t know where you came up with that) doesn’t disregard the fact that the same choice will be made no matter what.
“Since the beginning of time twas written in the stones that one day a band would come. Well, that band has come and now they’re here to come again in your ear pussies.“ | |
| 07 Apr 2008 01:55 am |
or just Red Rep: 72Joined: 30 Apr 2007 Posts: 16,991 OFFLINE | KlNG JOHN wrote:
Red_Calibur9 wrote:
KlNG JOHN wrote:
firewolf81 wrote:
You have free will. The knowledge of whats future bound doesn’t make free will any less real. Within the realm of possibility there exists infinite relaities, each reflecting a choice. God being all knowing has no problem comprehending the sheer magnatude of infinitite possibility.
God knows what each version of yourself will choose in each reality even before you have a choose nullifying free will because no matter what you can’t go against God’s plan
God let’s you make your own choices.
But if he knows what choice your will make then you can’t go against that choice
But you still have to make the choice, and you do.
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| 07 Apr 2008 01:56 am |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 27Joined: 07 Mar 2008 Posts: 1,354 OFFLINE | Red_Calibur9 wrote:
KlNG JOHN wrote:
Red_Calibur9 wrote:
KlNG JOHN wrote:
firewolf81 wrote:
You have free will. The knowledge of whats future bound doesn’t make free will any less real. Within the realm of possibility there exists infinite relaities, each reflecting a choice. God being all knowing has no problem comprehending the sheer magnatude of infinitite possibility.
God knows what each version of yourself will choose in each reality even before you have a choose nullifying free will because no matter what you can’t go against God’s plan
God let’s you make your own choices.
But if he knows what choice your will make then you can’t go against that choice
But you still have to make the choice, and you do.
Yes I agree you make a choice but not of your own free will because if it’s really free will God couldn’t know what choice you would make
“Since the beginning of time twas written in the stones that one day a band would come. Well, that band has come and now they’re here to come again in your ear pussies.“ | |
| 07 Apr 2008 01:57 am |
Not your average guest Guest | KlNG JOHN wrote:
Not your average guest wrote:
God is all knowing and all powerful. Due to having those traits he also possesses the ability to be free from the laws and logic of man. We, as humans, are too simple to understand something as complicated as God. So even if somebody were to explain, you’d deny it out of fear of the unknown.
However, to answer your question as simply as I possibly can.
God is omnipotent and omniscient. This seems to be a oxymoron for the very reason you have stated. Free will doesn’t exist if our path is predetermined. That’s why our paths remain unknown. God has the ability to look into our futures, he can know everything you’ll ever do. That’s because he’s omniscient. However, he chooses not to look. Therefore he doesn’t know what our futures hold. That doesn’t make him omniscient because he can still do it.
I don’t even believe in God, and yet I can figure that one out.
the fact that God chooses not to look (and i don’t know where you came up with that) doesn’t disregard the fact that the same choice will be made no matter what.
I came up with that because I have the free will to create my own theories.
And what choice? If even the Almighty knows not of our future, then we have no set path. No predetermined fate. God never looked into our future, therefor nothing was set in stone.
But, I refer you back to the first part. Even if you’re given a working explanation, you deny it out of fear of the unknown. | |
| 07 Apr 2008 01:59 am |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 27Joined: 07 Mar 2008 Posts: 1,354 OFFLINE | Not your average guest wrote:
KlNG JOHN wrote:
Not your average guest wrote:
God is all knowing and all powerful. Due to having those traits he also possesses the ability to be free from the laws and logic of man. We, as humans, are too simple to understand something as complicated as God. So even if somebody were to explain, you’d deny it out of fear of the unknown.
However, to answer your question as simply as I possibly can.
God is omnipotent and omniscient. This seems to be a oxymoron for the very reason you have stated. Free will doesn’t exist if our path is predetermined. That’s why our paths remain unknown. God has the ability to look into our futures, he can know everything you’ll ever do. That’s because he’s omniscient. However, he chooses not to look. Therefore he doesn’t know what our futures hold. That doesn’t make him omniscient because he can still do it.
I don’t even believe in God, and yet I can figure that one out.
the fact that God chooses not to look (and i don’t know where you came up with that) doesn’t disregard the fact that the same choice will be made no matter what.
I came up with that because I have the free will to create my own theories.
And what choice? If even the Almighty knows not of our future, then we have no set path. No predetermined fate. God never looked into our future, therefor nothing was set in stone.
But, I refer you back to the first part. Even if you’re given a working explanation, you deny it out of fear of the unknown.
I don’t deny it out of the fear of the unknown i deny it because it’s not right if god doesn’t know what will happen he doesn’t know everything there for he’s not “ALL KNOWING"
“Since the beginning of time twas written in the stones that one day a band would come. Well, that band has come and now they’re here to come again in your ear pussies.“ | |
| 07 Apr 2008 02:01 am |
Nevae Anariva Rep: 49 Joined: 01 Apr 2007 Posts: 9,975 | Not your average guest wrote:
...he also possesses the ability to be free from the laws and logic of man. We, as humans, are too simple to understand something as complicated as God.
QFT
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| 07 Apr 2008 02:01 am |
Addict (beyond 1337) Rep: 69 Joined: 22 Aug 2006 Posts: 32,780 OFFLINE | Going out on a limb here, but I’m pretty sure 'all-knowing' is just an expression. For instance, If I could hit a button that taught me everything about everything, then you may as well classify me as 'all-knowing', even before I hit the button.
Just an idea... | |
| 07 Apr 2008 02:02 am |
The Magnificent Bastard Rep: 69 Joined: 28 Dec 2006 Posts: 19,626 | KlNG JOHN wrote:
firewolf81 wrote:
You have free will. The knowledge of whats future bound doesn’t make free will any less real. Within the realm of possibility there exists infinite relaities, each reflecting a choice. God being all knowing has no problem comprehending the sheer magnatude of infinitite possibility.
God knows what each version of yourself will choose in each reality even before you have a choose nullifying free will because no matter what you can’t go against God’s plan
In each reality, you have infinite choice. God knows the outcomes of each and every choice, however it is still up to you to choose a path.
This is free will.
 
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| 07 Apr 2008 02:02 am |
Not your average guest Guest | KlNG JOHN wrote:
Not your average guest wrote:
KlNG JOHN wrote:
Not your average guest wrote:
God is all knowing and all powerful. Due to having those traits he also possesses the ability to be free from the laws and logic of man. We, as humans, are too simple to understand something as complicated as God. So even if somebody were to explain, you’d deny it out of fear of the unknown.
However, to answer your question as simply as I possibly can.
God is omnipotent and omniscient. This seems to be a oxymoron for the very reason you have stated. Free will doesn’t exist if our path is predetermined. That’s why our paths remain unknown. God has the ability to look into our futures, he can know everything you’ll ever do. That’s because he’s omniscient. However, he chooses not to look. Therefore he doesn’t know what our futures hold. That doesn’t make him omniscient because he can still do it.
I don’t even believe in God, and yet I can figure that one out.
the fact that God chooses not to look (and i don’t know where you came up with that) doesn’t disregard the fact that the same choice will be made no matter what.
I came up with that because I have the free will to create my own theories.
And what choice? If even the Almighty knows not of our future, then we have no set path. No predetermined fate. God never looked into our future, therefor nothing was set in stone.
But, I refer you back to the first part. Even if you’re given a working explanation, you deny it out of fear of the unknown.
I don’t deny it out of the fear of the unknown i deny it because it’s not right if god doesn’t know what will happen he doesn’t know everything there for he’s not “ALL KNOWING”
He is all knowing because the knowledge is readily accessible at any point in time.
But once again, I refer you back to the first part of the first post. God is not bound by the logic and laws of man. What you think is an oxymoron isn’t to him. What you know is impossible is possible for him. He defies all rules that man has set.
Thus, the reason of being all powerful. He can do anything. Even make the impossible possible. | |
| 07 Apr 2008 02:04 am |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 27Joined: 07 Mar 2008 Posts: 1,354 OFFLINE | Not your average guest wrote:
KlNG JOHN wrote:
Not your average guest wrote:
KlNG JOHN wrote:
Not your average guest wrote:
God is all knowing and all powerful. Due to having those traits he also possesses the ability to be free from the laws and logic of man. We, as humans, are too simple to understand something as complicated as God. So even if somebody were to explain, you’d deny it out of fear of the unknown.
However, to answer your question as simply as I possibly can.
God is omnipotent and omniscient. This seems to be a oxymoron for the very reason you have stated. Free will doesn’t exist if our path is predetermined. That’s why our paths remain unknown. God has the ability to look into our futures, he can know everything you’ll ever do. That’s because he’s omniscient. However, he chooses not to look. Therefore he doesn’t know what our futures hold. That doesn’t make him omniscient because he can still do it.
I don’t even believe in God, and yet I can figure that one out.
the fact that God chooses not to look (and i don’t know where you came up with that) doesn’t disregard the fact that the same choice will be made no matter what.
I came up with that because I have the free will to create my own theories.
And what choice? If even the Almighty knows not of our future, then we have no set path. No predetermined fate. God never looked into our future, therefor nothing was set in stone.
But, I refer you back to the first part. Even if you’re given a working explanation, you deny it out of fear of the unknown.
I don’t deny it out of the fear of the unknown i deny it because it’s not right if god doesn’t know what will happen he doesn’t know everything there for he’s not “ALL KNOWING”
He is all knowing because the knowledge is readily accessible at any point in time.
But once again, I refer you back to the first part of the first post. God is not bound by the logic and laws of man. What you think is an oxymoron isn’t to him. What you know is impossible is possible for him. He defies all rules that man has set.
Thus, the reason of being all powerful. He can do anything. Even make the impossible possible.
No that’s not true say the results for the election were in and you had the answer in your hand just because you have the ability to know the answer doesn’t mean you know it
“Since the beginning of time twas written in the stones that one day a band would come. Well, that band has come and now they’re here to come again in your ear pussies.“ | |
| 07 Apr 2008 02:05 am |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 27Joined: 07 Mar 2008 Posts: 1,354 OFFLINE | NEREVAR117 wrote:
Going out on a limb here, but I’m pretty sure 'all-knowing' is just an expression. For instance, If I could hit a button that taught me everything about everything, then you may as well classify me as 'all-knowing', even before I hit the button.
Just an idea...
No that’s wrong by definition all knowing means knowing all just because you have the ability to know everything doesn’t make you all knowing
“Since the beginning of time twas written in the stones that one day a band would come. Well, that band has come and now they’re here to come again in your ear pussies.“ | |
| 07 Apr 2008 02:06 am |
Addict (beyond 1337) Rep: 69Joined: 22 Aug 2006 Posts: 32,780 OFFLINE | KlNG JOHN wrote:
NEREVAR117 wrote:
Going out on a limb here, but I’m pretty sure 'all-knowing' is just an expression. For instance, If I could hit a button that taught me everything about everything, then you may as well classify me as 'all-knowing', even before I hit the button.
Just an idea...
No that’s wrong by definition all knowing means knowing all just because you have the ability to know everything doesn’t make you all knowing
As I said.
Just an idea...
it wasn’t actually part of the discussion, just me thinking aloud. | |
| 07 Apr 2008 02:07 am |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 27Joined: 07 Mar 2008 Posts: 1,354 OFFLINE | firewolf81 wrote:
KlNG JOHN wrote:
firewolf81 wrote:
You have free will. The knowledge of whats future bound doesn’t make free will any less real. Within the realm of possibility there exists infinite relaities, each reflecting a choice. God being all knowing has no problem comprehending the sheer magnatude of infinitite possibility.
God knows what each version of yourself will choose in each reality even before you have a choose nullifying free will because no matter what you can’t go against God’s plan
In each reality, you have infinite choice. God knows the outcomes of each and every choice, however it is still up to you to choose a path.
This is free will.
You’re contradicting yourself, if god know every choice you will make it automatically eliminates other choices so the idea of an infinite reality doesn’t exist if you believe in God
“Since the beginning of time twas written in the stones that one day a band would come. Well, that band has come and now they’re here to come again in your ear pussies.“ | |
| 07 Apr 2008 02:09 am |
Not your average guest Guest | KlNG JOHN wrote:
Not your average guest wrote:
KlNG JOHN wrote:
Not your average guest wrote:
KlNG JOHN wrote:
Not your average guest wrote:
God is all knowing and all powerful. Due to having those traits he also possesses the ability to be free from the laws and logic of man. We, as humans, are too simple to understand something as complicated as God. So even if somebody were to explain, you’d deny it out of fear of the unknown.
However, to answer your question as simply as I possibly can.
God is omnipotent and omniscient. This seems to be a oxymoron for the very reason you have stated. Free will doesn’t exist if our path is predetermined. That’s why our paths remain unknown. God has the ability to look into our futures, he can know everything you’ll ever do. That’s because he’s omniscient. However, he chooses not to look. Therefore he doesn’t know what our futures hold. That doesn’t make him omniscient because he can still do it.
I don’t even believe in God, and yet I can figure that one out.
the fact that God chooses not to look (and i don’t know where you came up with that) doesn’t disregard the fact that the same choice will be made no matter what.
I came up with that because I have the free will to create my own theories.
And what choice? If even the Almighty knows not of our future, then we have no set path. No predetermined fate. God never looked into our future, therefor nothing was set in stone.
But, I refer you back to the first part. Even if you’re given a working explanation, you deny it out of fear of the unknown.
I don’t deny it out of the fear of the unknown i deny it because it’s not right if god doesn’t know what will happen he doesn’t know everything there for he’s not “ALL KNOWING”
He is all knowing because the knowledge is readily accessible at any point in time.
But once again, I refer you back to the first part of the first post. God is not bound by the logic and laws of man. What you think is an oxymoron isn’t to him. What you know is impossible is possible for him. He defies all rules that man has set.
Thus, the reason of being all powerful. He can do anything. Even make the impossible possible.
No that’s not true say the results for the election were in and you had the answer in your hand just because you have the ability to know the answer doesn’t mean you know it
If something doesn’t exist, you can’t claim ignorance on somebody for not knowing about it.
What that means is this.
Our futures aren’t set in stone, God never looked into the future. Therefor a future doesn’t exist. God doesn’t know the future, but since it doesn’t exist you can’t claim he’s not omniscient. | |
| 07 Apr 2008 02:10 am |
Addict (beyond 1337) Rep: 69Joined: 22 Aug 2006 Posts: 32,780 OFFLINE | KlNG JOHN wrote:
firewolf81 wrote:
KlNG JOHN wrote:
firewolf81 wrote:
You have free will. The knowledge of whats future bound doesn’t make free will any less real. Within the realm of possibility there exists infinite relaities, each reflecting a choice. God being all knowing has no problem comprehending the sheer magnatude of infinitite possibility.
God knows what each version of yourself will choose in each reality even before you have a choose nullifying free will because no matter what you can’t go against God’s plan
In each reality, you have infinite choice. God knows the outcomes of each and every choice, however it is still up to you to choose a path.
This is free will.
You’re contradicting yourself, if god know every choice you will make it automatically eliminates other choices so the idea of an infinite reality doesn’t exist if you believe in God
If I’m reading what Firewolf said correctly...
He is stating their are infinite realities, meaning infinite choices, meaning free-will. God simply knows all realities, along with the outcomes. | |
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