| 07 Apr 2008 02:10 am |
The Magnificent Bastard Rep: 69  Joined: 28 Dec 2006 Posts: 19,626 | Internet Maturity= Real Life Pussy BWAHAHAHA
John, you are such a idiot.
Internet maturity = a choice of behaviour not a reflection of who you are beyond the realm of cyber space. Internet hard arse is more a reflection of self worth and real life cowerdice/inadaquacy seeing as they obviously feel the need to prove something that real hard arses don’t need to do. ---
 
  | | | | 07 Apr 2008 02:11 am |
Nevae Anariva Rep: 49 Joined: 01 Apr 2007 Posts: 9,975 | I think it’s funny that this whole thing is being discussed on something we know nothing about. lol
We just think “he’s omniscient, and by our logic we don’t have free will."
Our logic, of course, has been proven flawed many times. ---
 | | | 07 Apr 2008 02:11 am |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 27 Joined: 07 Mar 2008 Posts: 1,354 OFFLINE | Not your average guest wrote:
KlNG JOHN wrote:
Not your average guest wrote:
KlNG JOHN wrote:
Not your average guest wrote:
KlNG JOHN wrote:
Not your average guest wrote:
God is all knowing and all powerful. Due to having those traits he also possesses the ability to be free from the laws and logic of man. We, as humans, are too simple to understand something as complicated as God. So even if somebody were to explain, you’d deny it out of fear of the unknown.
However, to answer your question as simply as I possibly can.
God is omnipotent and omniscient. This seems to be a oxymoron for the very reason you have stated. Free will doesn’t exist if our path is predetermined. That’s why our paths remain unknown. God has the ability to look into our futures, he can know everything you’ll ever do. That’s because he’s omniscient. However, he chooses not to look. Therefore he doesn’t know what our futures hold. That doesn’t make him omniscient because he can still do it.
I don’t even believe in God, and yet I can figure that one out.
the fact that God chooses not to look (and i don’t know where you came up with that) doesn’t disregard the fact that the same choice will be made no matter what.
I came up with that because I have the free will to create my own theories.
And what choice? If even the Almighty knows not of our future, then we have no set path. No predetermined fate. God never looked into our future, therefor nothing was set in stone.
But, I refer you back to the first part. Even if you’re given a working explanation, you deny it out of fear of the unknown.
I don’t deny it out of the fear of the unknown i deny it because it’s not right if god doesn’t know what will happen he doesn’t know everything there for he’s not “ALL KNOWING”
He is all knowing because the knowledge is readily accessible at any point in time.
But once again, I refer you back to the first part of the first post. God is not bound by the logic and laws of man. What you think is an oxymoron isn’t to him. What you know is impossible is possible for him. He defies all rules that man has set.
Thus, the reason of being all powerful. He can do anything. Even make the impossible possible.
No that’s not true say the results for the election were in and you had the answer in your hand just because you have the ability to know the answer doesn’t mean you know it
If something doesn’t exist, you can’t claim ignorance on somebody for not knowing about it.
What that means is this.
Our futures aren’t set in stone, God never looked into the future. Therefor a future doesn’t exist. God doesn’t know the future, but since it doesn’t exist you can’t claim he’s not omniscient.
Just the fact that time is moving means there is a future and the fact that God “can” know the future but chooses not to doesn’t diminish the fact that he doesn’t know all
“Since the beginning of time twas written in the stones that one day a band would come. Well, that band has come and now they’re here to come again in your ear pussies.“ | | | 07 Apr 2008 02:12 am |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 27Joined: 07 Mar 2008 Posts: 1,354 OFFLINE | firewolf81 wrote:
Internet Maturity= Real Life Pussy BWAHAHAHA
John, you are such a idiot.
Internet maturity = a choice of behaviour not a reflection of who you are beyond the realm of cyber space. Internet hard arse is more a reflection of self worth and real life cowerdice/inadaquacy seeing as they obviously feel the need to prove something that real hard arses don’t need to do.
Different discussion for a different time please stay on topic
“Since the beginning of time twas written in the stones that one day a band would come. Well, that band has come and now they’re here to come again in your ear pussies.“ | | | 07 Apr 2008 02:13 am |
Not your average guest Guest | KlNG JOHN wrote:
Not your average guest wrote:
KlNG JOHN wrote:
Not your average guest wrote:
KlNG JOHN wrote:
Not your average guest wrote:
KlNG JOHN wrote:
Not your average guest wrote:
God is all knowing and all powerful. Due to having those traits he also possesses the ability to be free from the laws and logic of man. We, as humans, are too simple to understand something as complicated as God. So even if somebody were to explain, you’d deny it out of fear of the unknown.
However, to answer your question as simply as I possibly can.
God is omnipotent and omniscient. This seems to be a oxymoron for the very reason you have stated. Free will doesn’t exist if our path is predetermined. That’s why our paths remain unknown. God has the ability to look into our futures, he can know everything you’ll ever do. That’s because he’s omniscient. However, he chooses not to look. Therefore he doesn’t know what our futures hold. That doesn’t make him omniscient because he can still do it.
I don’t even believe in God, and yet I can figure that one out.
the fact that God chooses not to look (and i don’t know where you came up with that) doesn’t disregard the fact that the same choice will be made no matter what.
I came up with that because I have the free will to create my own theories.
And what choice? If even the Almighty knows not of our future, then we have no set path. No predetermined fate. God never looked into our future, therefor nothing was set in stone.
But, I refer you back to the first part. Even if you’re given a working explanation, you deny it out of fear of the unknown.
I don’t deny it out of the fear of the unknown i deny it because it’s not right if god doesn’t know what will happen he doesn’t know everything there for he’s not “ALL KNOWING”
He is all knowing because the knowledge is readily accessible at any point in time.
But once again, I refer you back to the first part of the first post. God is not bound by the logic and laws of man. What you think is an oxymoron isn’t to him. What you know is impossible is possible for him. He defies all rules that man has set.
Thus, the reason of being all powerful. He can do anything. Even make the impossible possible.
No that’s not true say the results for the election were in and you had the answer in your hand just because you have the ability to know the answer doesn’t mean you know it
If something doesn’t exist, you can’t claim ignorance on somebody for not knowing about it.
What that means is this.
Our futures aren’t set in stone, God never looked into the future. Therefor a future doesn’t exist. God doesn’t know the future, but since it doesn’t exist you can’t claim he’s not omniscient.
Just the fact that time is moving means there is a future and the fact that God “can” know the future but chooses not to doesn’t diminish the fact that he doesn’t know all
Wrong. Time moves forward, as it moves forward it creates itself in real time. The second after this didn’t exist until that second came.
Plain and simple, as long as the future doesn’t exist, God is omniscient and we still have free will. | | | 07 Apr 2008 02:13 am |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 27Joined: 07 Mar 2008 Posts: 1,354 OFFLINE | Tyreaus wrote:
I think it’s funny that this whole thing is being discussed on something we know nothing about. lol
We just think “he’s omniscient, and by our logic we don’t have free will."
Our logic, of course, has been proven flawed many times.
I’m merely saying it an either or. Either he’s All Knowing or there’s no free will
“Since the beginning of time twas written in the stones that one day a band would come. Well, that band has come and now they’re here to come again in your ear pussies.“ | | | 07 Apr 2008 02:14 am |
Nevae Anariva Rep: 49Joined: 01 Apr 2007 Posts: 9,975 | KlNG JOHN wrote:
Tyreaus wrote:
I think it’s funny that this whole thing is being discussed on something we know nothing about. lol
We just think “he’s omniscient, and by our logic we don’t have free will."
Our logic, of course, has been proven flawed many times.
I’m merely saying it an either or. Either he’s All Knowing or there’s no free will
Within the confines of our understood logic, of course.
| | | 07 Apr 2008 02:14 am |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 27Joined: 07 Mar 2008 Posts: 1,354 OFFLINE | Not your average guest wrote:
KlNG JOHN wrote:
Not your average guest wrote:
KlNG JOHN wrote:
Not your average guest wrote:
KlNG JOHN wrote:
Not your average guest wrote:
KlNG JOHN wrote:
Not your average guest wrote:
God is all knowing and all powerful. Due to having those traits he also possesses the ability to be free from the laws and logic of man. We, as humans, are too simple to understand something as complicated as God. So even if somebody were to explain, you’d deny it out of fear of the unknown.
However, to answer your question as simply as I possibly can.
God is omnipotent and omniscient. This seems to be a oxymoron for the very reason you have stated. Free will doesn’t exist if our path is predetermined. That’s why our paths remain unknown. God has the ability to look into our futures, he can know everything you’ll ever do. That’s because he’s omniscient. However, he chooses not to look. Therefore he doesn’t know what our futures hold. That doesn’t make him omniscient because he can still do it.
I don’t even believe in God, and yet I can figure that one out.
the fact that God chooses not to look (and i don’t know where you came up with that) doesn’t disregard the fact that the same choice will be made no matter what.
I came up with that because I have the free will to create my own theories.
And what choice? If even the Almighty knows not of our future, then we have no set path. No predetermined fate. God never looked into our future, therefor nothing was set in stone.
But, I refer you back to the first part. Even if you’re given a working explanation, you deny it out of fear of the unknown.
I don’t deny it out of the fear of the unknown i deny it because it’s not right if god doesn’t know what will happen he doesn’t know everything there for he’s not “ALL KNOWING”
He is all knowing because the knowledge is readily accessible at any point in time.
But once again, I refer you back to the first part of the first post. God is not bound by the logic and laws of man. What you think is an oxymoron isn’t to him. What you know is impossible is possible for him. He defies all rules that man has set.
Thus, the reason of being all powerful. He can do anything. Even make the impossible possible.
No that’s not true say the results for the election were in and you had the answer in your hand just because you have the ability to know the answer doesn’t mean you know it
If something doesn’t exist, you can’t claim ignorance on somebody for not knowing about it.
What that means is this.
Our futures aren’t set in stone, God never looked into the future. Therefor a future doesn’t exist. God doesn’t know the future, but since it doesn’t exist you can’t claim he’s not omniscient.
Just the fact that time is moving means there is a future and the fact that God “can” know the future but chooses not to doesn’t diminish the fact that he doesn’t know all
Wrong. Time moves forward, as it moves forward it creates itself in real time. The second after this didn’t exist until that second came.
Plain and simple, as long as the future doesn’t exist, God is omniscient and we still have free will.
But Time does move forward creating a future
“Since the beginning of time twas written in the stones that one day a band would come. Well, that band has come and now they’re here to come again in your ear pussies.“ | | | 07 Apr 2008 02:18 am |
Not your average guest Guest | KlNG JOHN wrote:
Not your average guest wrote:
KlNG JOHN wrote:
Not your average guest wrote:
KlNG JOHN wrote:
Not your average guest wrote:
KlNG JOHN wrote:
Not your average guest wrote:
KlNG JOHN wrote:
Not your average guest wrote:
God is all knowing and all powerful. Due to having those traits he also possesses the ability to be free from the laws and logic of man. We, as humans, are too simple to understand something as complicated as God. So even if somebody were to explain, you’d deny it out of fear of the unknown.
However, to answer your question as simply as I possibly can.
God is omnipotent and omniscient. This seems to be a oxymoron for the very reason you have stated. Free will doesn’t exist if our path is predetermined. That’s why our paths remain unknown. God has the ability to look into our futures, he can know everything you’ll ever do. That’s because he’s omniscient. However, he chooses not to look. Therefore he doesn’t know what our futures hold. That doesn’t make him omniscient because he can still do it.
I don’t even believe in God, and yet I can figure that one out.
the fact that God chooses not to look (and i don’t know where you came up with that) doesn’t disregard the fact that the same choice will be made no matter what.
I came up with that because I have the free will to create my own theories.
And what choice? If even the Almighty knows not of our future, then we have no set path. No predetermined fate. God never looked into our future, therefor nothing was set in stone.
But, I refer you back to the first part. Even if you’re given a working explanation, you deny it out of fear of the unknown.
I don’t deny it out of the fear of the unknown i deny it because it’s not right if god doesn’t know what will happen he doesn’t know everything there for he’s not “ALL KNOWING”
He is all knowing because the knowledge is readily accessible at any point in time.
But once again, I refer you back to the first part of the first post. God is not bound by the logic and laws of man. What you think is an oxymoron isn’t to him. What you know is impossible is possible for him. He defies all rules that man has set.
Thus, the reason of being all powerful. He can do anything. Even make the impossible possible.
No that’s not true say the results for the election were in and you had the answer in your hand just because you have the ability to know the answer doesn’t mean you know it
If something doesn’t exist, you can’t claim ignorance on somebody for not knowing about it.
What that means is this.
Our futures aren’t set in stone, God never looked into the future. Therefor a future doesn’t exist. God doesn’t know the future, but since it doesn’t exist you can’t claim he’s not omniscient.
Just the fact that time is moving means there is a future and the fact that God “can” know the future but chooses not to doesn’t diminish the fact that he doesn’t know all
Wrong. Time moves forward, as it moves forward it creates itself in real time. The second after this didn’t exist until that second came.
Plain and simple, as long as the future doesn’t exist, God is omniscient and we still have free will.
But Time does move forward creating a future
In real time.
What happens in 5 minutes is unknown to everybody, including God. However, God is still omniscient because that time doesn’t exist yet. However, as soon as that 5 minute mark happens, God knows everything that’s happened from the beginning of time to that point.
It’s not hard to understand. You just don’t want to admit to the possibility that you’re wrong. | | | 07 Apr 2008 02:18 am |
Addict (beyond 1337) Rep: 69 Joined: 22 Aug 2006 Posts: 32,780 OFFLINE | Tyreaus wrote:
I think it’s funny that this whole thing is being discussed on something we know nothing about. lol
We just think “he’s omniscient, and by our logic we don’t have free will."
Our logic, of course, has been proven flawed many times.
Aye, but it feels good to debate on something.
As I said (in the other topic I think) human logic wouldn’t work with in a situation like this. | | | 07 Apr 2008 02:18 am |
The Magnificent Bastard Rep: 69Joined: 28 Dec 2006 Posts: 19,626 | NEREVAR117 wrote:
KlNG JOHN wrote:
firewolf81 wrote:
KlNG JOHN wrote:
firewolf81 wrote:
You have free will. The knowledge of whats future bound doesn’t make free will any less real. Within the realm of possibility there exists infinite relaities, each reflecting a choice. God being all knowing has no problem comprehending the sheer magnatude of infinitite possibility.
God knows what each version of yourself will choose in each reality even before you have a choose nullifying free will because no matter what you can’t go against God’s plan
In each reality, you have infinite choice. God knows the outcomes of each and every choice, however it is still up to you to choose a path.
This is free will.
You’re contradicting yourself, if god know every choice you will make it automatically eliminates other choices so the idea of an infinite reality doesn’t exist if you believe in God
If I’m reading what Firewolf said correctly...
He is stating their are infinite realities, meaning infinite choices, meaning free-will. God simply knows all realities, along with the outcomes.
Indeed.
| | | 07 Apr 2008 02:20 am |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 27Joined: 07 Mar 2008 Posts: 1,354 OFFLINE | Not your average guest wrote:
KlNG JOHN wrote:
Not your average guest wrote:
KlNG JOHN wrote:
Not your average guest wrote:
KlNG JOHN wrote:
Not your average guest wrote:
KlNG JOHN wrote:
Not your average guest wrote:
KlNG JOHN wrote:
Not your average guest wrote:
God is all knowing and all powerful. Due to having those traits he also possesses the ability to be free from the laws and logic of man. We, as humans, are too simple to understand something as complicated as God. So even if somebody were to explain, you’d deny it out of fear of the unknown.
However, to answer your question as simply as I possibly can.
God is omnipotent and omniscient. This seems to be a oxymoron for the very reason you have stated. Free will doesn’t exist if our path is predetermined. That’s why our paths remain unknown. God has the ability to look into our futures, he can know everything you’ll ever do. That’s because he’s omniscient. However, he chooses not to look. Therefore he doesn’t know what our futures hold. That doesn’t make him omniscient because he can still do it.
I don’t even believe in God, and yet I can figure that one out.
the fact that God chooses not to look (and i don’t know where you came up with that) doesn’t disregard the fact that the same choice will be made no matter what.
I came up with that because I have the free will to create my own theories.
And what choice? If even the Almighty knows not of our future, then we have no set path. No predetermined fate. God never looked into our future, therefor nothing was set in stone.
But, I refer you back to the first part. Even if you’re given a working explanation, you deny it out of fear of the unknown.
I don’t deny it out of the fear of the unknown i deny it because it’s not right if god doesn’t know what will happen he doesn’t know everything there for he’s not “ALL KNOWING”
He is all knowing because the knowledge is readily accessible at any point in time.
But once again, I refer you back to the first part of the first post. God is not bound by the logic and laws of man. What you think is an oxymoron isn’t to him. What you know is impossible is possible for him. He defies all rules that man has set.
Thus, the reason of being all powerful. He can do anything. Even make the impossible possible.
No that’s not true say the results for the election were in and you had the answer in your hand just because you have the ability to know the answer doesn’t mean you know it
If something doesn’t exist, you can’t claim ignorance on somebody for not knowing about it.
What that means is this.
Our futures aren’t set in stone, God never looked into the future. Therefor a future doesn’t exist. God doesn’t know the future, but since it doesn’t exist you can’t claim he’s not omniscient.
Just the fact that time is moving means there is a future and the fact that God “can” know the future but chooses not to doesn’t diminish the fact that he doesn’t know all
Wrong. Time moves forward, as it moves forward it creates itself in real time. The second after this didn’t exist until that second came.
Plain and simple, as long as the future doesn’t exist, God is omniscient and we still have free will.
But Time does move forward creating a future
In real time.
What happens in 5 minutes is unknown to everybody, including God. However, God is still omniscient because that time doesn’t exist yet. However, as soon as that 5 minute mark happens, God knows everything that’s happened from the beginning of time to that point.
It’s not hard to understand. You just don’t want to admit to the possibility that you’re wrong.
NO ALL KNOWING MEANS KNOWING ALL past present and future
“Since the beginning of time twas written in the stones that one day a band would come. Well, that band has come and now they’re here to come again in your ear pussies.“ | | | 07 Apr 2008 02:22 am |
Addict (beyond 1337) Rep: 69Joined: 22 Aug 2006 Posts: 32,780 OFFLINE | BTW John, there is always the theory time simply isn’t real, which I myself believe.
Just saying. | | | 07 Apr 2008 02:22 am |
Nevae Anariva Rep: 49Joined: 01 Apr 2007 Posts: 9,975 | NEREVAR117 wrote:
Tyreaus wrote:
I think it’s funny that this whole thing is being discussed on something we know nothing about. lol
We just think “he’s omniscient, and by our logic we don’t have free will."
Our logic, of course, has been proven flawed many times.
Aye, but it feels good to debate on something.
As I said (in the other topic I think) human logic wouldn’t work with in a situation like this.
Yah nice to debate on something, but when it’s this you, like, can’t use logic at all really. o.o
We know so little of anything like that it’s impossible to dictate it at all.
| | | 07 Apr 2008 02:22 am |
Not your average guest Guest | KlNG JOHN wrote:
Not your average guest wrote:
KlNG JOHN wrote:
Not your average guest wrote:
KlNG JOHN wrote:
Not your average guest wrote:
KlNG JOHN wrote:
Not your average guest wrote:
KlNG JOHN wrote:
Not your average guest wrote:
KlNG JOHN wrote:
Not your average guest wrote:
God is all knowing and all powerful. Due to having those traits he also possesses the ability to be free from the laws and logic of man. We, as humans, are too simple to understand something as complicated as God. So even if somebody were to explain, you’d deny it out of fear of the unknown.
However, to answer your question as simply as I possibly can.
God is omnipotent and omniscient. This seems to be a oxymoron for the very reason you have stated. Free will doesn’t exist if our path is predetermined. That’s why our paths remain unknown. God has the ability to look into our futures, he can know everything you’ll ever do. That’s because he’s omniscient. However, he chooses not to look. Therefore he doesn’t know what our futures hold. That doesn’t make him omniscient because he can still do it.
I don’t even believe in God, and yet I can figure that one out.
the fact that God chooses not to look (and i don’t know where you came up with that) doesn’t disregard the fact that the same choice will be made no matter what.
I came up with that because I have the free will to create my own theories.
And what choice? If even the Almighty knows not of our future, then we have no set path. No predetermined fate. God never looked into our future, therefor nothing was set in stone.
But, I refer you back to the first part. Even if you’re given a working explanation, you deny it out of fear of the unknown.
I don’t deny it out of the fear of the unknown i deny it because it’s not right if god doesn’t know what will happen he doesn’t know everything there for he’s not “ALL KNOWING”
He is all knowing because the knowledge is readily accessible at any point in time.
But once again, I refer you back to the first part of the first post. God is not bound by the logic and laws of man. What you think is an oxymoron isn’t to him. What you know is impossible is possible for him. He defies all rules that man has set.
Thus, the reason of being all powerful. He can do anything. Even make the impossible possible.
No that’s not true say the results for the election were in and you had the answer in your hand just because you have the ability to know the answer doesn’t mean you know it
If something doesn’t exist, you can’t claim ignorance on somebody for not knowing about it.
What that means is this.
Our futures aren’t set in stone, God never looked into the future. Therefor a future doesn’t exist. God doesn’t know the future, but since it doesn’t exist you can’t claim he’s not omniscient.
Just the fact that time is moving means there is a future and the fact that God “can” know the future but chooses not to doesn’t diminish the fact that he doesn’t know all
Wrong. Time moves forward, as it moves forward it creates itself in real time. The second after this didn’t exist until that second came.
Plain and simple, as long as the future doesn’t exist, God is omniscient and we still have free will.
But Time does move forward creating a future
In real time.
What happens in 5 minutes is unknown to everybody, including God. However, God is still omniscient because that time doesn’t exist yet. However, as soon as that 5 minute mark happens, God knows everything that’s happened from the beginning of time to that point.
It’s not hard to understand. You just don’t want to admit to the possibility that you’re wrong.
NO ALL KNOWING MEANS KNOWING ALL past present and future
Wrong, all knowing means knowing all there is to know. Having ALL knowledge that EXISTS. Comprende? | | | 07 Apr 2008 02:23 am |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 27Joined: 07 Mar 2008 Posts: 1,354 OFFLINE | Well then I guess we differ on the meaning of ALL KNOWING ---
“Since the beginning of time twas written in the stones that one day a band would come. Well, that band has come and now they’re here to come again in your ear pussies.“ | | | 07 Apr 2008 02:26 am |
Not your average guest Guest | KlNG JOHN wrote:
Well then I guess we differ on the meaning of ALL KNOWING
Apparently so. Let’s allow a definition to clarify shall we?
[url=http://www.thefreedictionary.com/all-knowing]And thus the plot thickens[/url]
Apparently we’re both wrong on what all knowing means. | | | 07 Apr 2008 02:28 am |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 27Joined: 07 Mar 2008 Posts: 1,354 OFFLINE | Not your average guest wrote:
KlNG JOHN wrote:
Well then I guess we differ on the meaning of ALL KNOWING
Apparently so. Let’s allow a definition to clarify shall we?
And thus the plot thickens
Apparently we’re both wrong on what all knowing means.
infinitely wise and infinity includes the future so that means somebody wise to the past present and future
“Since the beginning of time twas written in the stones that one day a band would come. Well, that band has come and now they’re here to come again in your ear pussies.“ | | | 07 Apr 2008 02:30 am |
Not your average guest Guest | KlNG JOHN wrote:
Not your average guest wrote:
KlNG JOHN wrote:
Well then I guess we differ on the meaning of ALL KNOWING
Apparently so. Let’s allow a definition to clarify shall we?
[url=http://www.thefreedictionary.com/all-knowing]And thus the plot thickens[/url]
Apparently we’re both wrong on what all knowing means.
infinitely wise and infinity includes the future so that means somebody wise to the past present and future
[url]http://www.thefreedictionary.com/infinity[/url] | | | 07 Apr 2008 02:33 am |
Not your average guest Guest | Not your average guest wrote:
KlNG JOHN wrote:
Not your average guest wrote:
KlNG JOHN wrote:
Well then I guess we differ on the meaning of ALL KNOWING
Apparently so. Let’s allow a definition to clarify shall we?
[url=http://www.thefreedictionary.com/all-knowing]And thus the plot thickens[/url]
Apparently we’re both wrong on what all knowing means.
infinitely wise and infinity includes the future so that means somebody wise to the past present and future
[url]http://www.thefreedictionary.com/infinity[/url]
[url]http://www.thefreedictionary.com/infinite[/url]
Linked to infinity instead of infinite | | |
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