| 07 Apr 2008 02:33 am |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 27  Joined: 07 Mar 2008 Posts: 1,354 OFFLINE | Not your average guest wrote:
KlNG JOHN wrote:
Not your average guest wrote:
KlNG JOHN wrote:
Well then I guess we differ on the meaning of ALL KNOWING
Apparently so. Let’s allow a definition to clarify shall we?
And thus the plot thickens
Apparently we’re both wrong on what all knowing means.
infinitely wise and infinity includes the future so that means somebody wise to the past present and future
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/infinity
Unbounded space, time, or quantity
unbounded time meaning time with no limits includes the past present and future
“Since the beginning of time twas written in the stones that one day a band would come. Well, that band has come and now they’re here to come again in your ear pussies.“ | |
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| 07 Apr 2008 02:34 am |
Not your average guest Guest | KlNG JOHN wrote:
Not your average guest wrote:
KlNG JOHN wrote:
Not your average guest wrote:
KlNG JOHN wrote:
Well then I guess we differ on the meaning of ALL KNOWING
Apparently so. Let’s allow a definition to clarify shall we?
[url=http://www.thefreedictionary.com/all-knowing]And thus the plot thickens[/url]
Apparently we’re both wrong on what all knowing means.
infinitely wise and infinity includes the future so that means somebody wise to the past present and future
[url]http://www.thefreedictionary.com/infinity[/url]
Unbounded space, time, or quantity
unbounded time meaning time with no limits includes the past present and future
Unbounded, meaning not effected by time. Thanks for proving yourself wrong. I’m sleeping now. | |
| 07 Apr 2008 04:47 am |
The Mangekyou Sharingan Rep: 50 Joined: 01 Oct 2007 Posts: 10,520 OFFLINE | Freewill is exist but in boundry and lines of course... if you want absolute free you will hurt someone else... ---
 
“Great new ideas usually come from very small teams... don’t give up so easily." — John Kaster — | |
| 07 Apr 2008 06:22 am |
is causing chaos. Rep: 30 Joined: 04 Jul 2006 Posts: 8,152 OFFLINE | KlNG JOHN wrote:
If God knows what you will do before you do then you don’t have free will
Indeed. He knows exactly what is going to happen.
Therefore we are all going to do exactly that no matter what.
There’s only an illusion of free will since your thoughts follow an exact, predetermined pattern. Last edited 07 Apr 2008 06:26 am by Totalitus | |
| 07 Apr 2008 06:26 am |
SunWeb not home Guest | Itachi Uchiha wrote:
Freewill is exist but in boundry and lines of course... if you want absolute free you will hurt someone else...
Almost my thoughts.
even in Bible U can see it. God can make whatever he wants but he don’t, he gave us power of choice. He could make Adam and Eva a “robots” with the instrunctions “do not touch the apple tree” but he didn’t. He always gave a choice even to those who were on his missions. | |
| 07 Apr 2008 09:57 am |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 27Joined: 07 Mar 2008 Posts: 1,354 OFFLINE | Not your average guest wrote:
KlNG JOHN wrote:
Not your average guest wrote:
KlNG JOHN wrote:
Not your average guest wrote:
KlNG JOHN wrote:
Well then I guess we differ on the meaning of ALL KNOWING
Apparently so. Let’s allow a definition to clarify shall we?
And thus the plot thickens
Apparently we’re both wrong on what all knowing means.
infinitely wise and infinity includes the future so that means somebody wise to the past present and future
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/infinity
Unbounded space, time, or quantity
unbounded time meaning time with no limits includes the past present and future
Unbounded, meaning not effected by time. Thanks for proving yourself wrong. I’m sleeping now.
Unbounded means unlimited meaning unlimited time which includes the future
“Since the beginning of time twas written in the stones that one day a band would come. Well, that band has come and now they’re here to come again in your ear pussies.“ | |
| 08 Apr 2008 06:47 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 25 Joined: 26 Dec 2007 Posts: 2,034 OFFLINE | JUST BECAUSE YOU KNOW WHAT’S GOING TO HAPPEN DOESN’T MEAN YOU’RE CAUSING IT!
And yes, the choice is still made on your own personality and motives, but they can also easily be made with no apparent logical or emotional reason behind them, thus meaning they’re not all pre-determined psychological factors determined by the environment. ---
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| 08 Apr 2008 06:56 pm |
guest91 Guest | 2 things
if you do not believe in god then the free will thing should be no question to you and your waseting your time on this page
If you believe in god and are questioning free will then you are questioning what god has giving/told us we have and are directly questioning god not a good idea | |
| 08 Apr 2008 06:59 pm |
SAMO© Rep: 34 Joined: 10 Sep 2005 Posts: 15,715 OFFLINE | if you know a friend so well that you know what he says before he says it (in a greeting or something), does that mean he has no choice but to say that thing? no. it just means that you know what it is going to be. he could say whatever he wants, but he wont. thats how i think of this issue. ---
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| 08 Apr 2008 08:19 pm |
The Mangekyou Sharingan Rep: 50Joined: 01 Oct 2007 Posts: 10,520 OFFLINE | Almost my thoughts.
even in Bible U can see it. God can make whatever he wants but he don’t, he gave us power of choice. He could make Adam and Eva a “robots” with the instrunctions “do not touch the apple tree” but he didn’t. He always gave a choice even to those who were on his missions.
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Like angels who dont have feelings and always go to God orders... human and jinn aint like that... I create human and jinn to bow to me... ---
“Great new ideas usually come from very small teams... don’t give up so easily." — John Kaster — | |
| 08 Apr 2008 10:05 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 10 Joined: 07 Mar 2008 Posts: 1,404 OFFLINE | Well in the sence of religion...1 way we do and one way we don’t. We make choices everyday and are not being controlled. However, if our futures are already known, it’s destiny. To change destiny one would have to know the future consequences of future choices. For instance, If God showed you your wife dying in a car crash and he told you the exact date and time it would happen, you could maybe stop the crash. | |
| 08 Apr 2008 10:06 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 27Joined: 07 Mar 2008 Posts: 1,354 OFFLINE | kev360 wrote:
if you know a friend so well that you know what he says before he says it (in a greeting or something), does that mean he has no choice but to say that thing? no. it just means that you know what it is going to be. he could say whatever he wants, but he wont. thats how i think of this issue.
No assuming what your friend is going to do before he does it is not the same as you knowing because if he does the opposite of what you think he would that’s no big deal but if you do the opposite of what God KNOWS you will do then that contradicts everything in the bible
“Since the beginning of time twas written in the stones that one day a band would come. Well, that band has come and now they’re here to come again in your ear pussies.“ | |
| 08 Apr 2008 10:08 pm |
guest91 Guest | KlNG JOHN wrote:
kev360 wrote:
if you know a friend so well that you know what he says before he says it (in a greeting or something), does that mean he has no choice but to say that thing? no. it just means that you know what it is going to be. he could say whatever he wants, but he wont. thats how i think of this issue.
No assuming what your friend is going to do before he does it is not the same as you knowing because if he does the opposite of what you think he would that’s no big deal but if you do the opposite of what God KNOWS you will do then that contradicts everything in the bible
well if you believe in god then you know you have free will b/c god gave/told us that we have it and if you questiong that then your questioning god
if you personaly do not believe in god then to you, you should just have it (free will) | |
| 08 Apr 2008 10:24 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 27Joined: 07 Mar 2008 Posts: 1,354 OFFLINE | RebornChibiDiscoDhaos wrote:
Well in the sence of religion...1 way we do and one way we don’t. We make choices everyday and are not being controlled. However, if our futures are already known, it’s destiny. To change destiny one would have to know the future consequences of future choices. For instance, If God showed you your wife dying in a car crash and he told you the exact date and time it would happen, you could maybe stop the crash.
No you wouldn’t be able to because the fact that God told you would be part of your destiny and a needed step in order for that event to unfold
“Since the beginning of time twas written in the stones that one day a band would come. Well, that band has come and now they’re here to come again in your ear pussies.“ | |
| 08 Apr 2008 10:25 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 27Joined: 07 Mar 2008 Posts: 1,354 OFFLINE | guest91 wrote:
KlNG JOHN wrote:
kev360 wrote:
if you know a friend so well that you know what he says before he says it (in a greeting or something), does that mean he has no choice but to say that thing? no. it just means that you know what it is going to be. he could say whatever he wants, but he wont. thats how i think of this issue.
No assuming what your friend is going to do before he does it is not the same as you knowing because if he does the opposite of what you think he would that’s no big deal but if you do the opposite of what God KNOWS you will do then that contradicts everything in the bible
well if you believe in god then you know you have free will b/c god gave/told us that we have it and if you questiong that then your questioning god
if you personaly do not believe in god then to you, you should just have it (free will)
well i believe in God but not so much the bible
“Since the beginning of time twas written in the stones that one day a band would come. Well, that band has come and now they’re here to come again in your ear pussies.“ | |
| 08 Apr 2008 10:36 pm |
guest91 Guest | KlNG JOHN wrote:
guest91 wrote:
KlNG JOHN wrote:
kev360 wrote:
if you know a friend so well that you know what he says before he says it (in a greeting or something), does that mean he has no choice but to say that thing? no. it just means that you know what it is going to be. he could say whatever he wants, but he wont. thats how i think of this issue.
No assuming what your friend is going to do before he does it is not the same as you knowing because if he does the opposite of what you think he would that’s no big deal but if you do the opposite of what God KNOWS you will do then that contradicts everything in the bible
well if you believe in god then you know you have free will b/c god gave/told us that we have it and if you questiong that then your questioning god
if you personaly do not believe in god then to you, you should just have it (free will)
well i believe in God but not so much the bible
i can understand that but you have to take into consideration that god is more then what we can comprehend/understand so its almost usless to ponder gods methods or think if what god said is true b/c of this or that. I gess you could see it like this if we didnt have free will then everytime someone killed another person then that person could just say well god make me do it b/c god knew that i was going to do it already and didnt stop it or change it | |
| 08 Apr 2008 10:39 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 27Joined: 07 Mar 2008 Posts: 1,354 OFFLINE | guest91 wrote:
KlNG JOHN wrote:
guest91 wrote:
KlNG JOHN wrote:
kev360 wrote:
if you know a friend so well that you know what he says before he says it (in a greeting or something), does that mean he has no choice but to say that thing? no. it just means that you know what it is going to be. he could say whatever he wants, but he wont. thats how i think of this issue.
No assuming what your friend is going to do before he does it is not the same as you knowing because if he does the opposite of what you think he would that’s no big deal but if you do the opposite of what God KNOWS you will do then that contradicts everything in the bible
well if you believe in god then you know you have free will b/c god gave/told us that we have it and if you questiong that then your questioning god
if you personaly do not believe in god then to you, you should just have it (free will)
well i believe in God but not so much the bible
i can understand that but you have to take into consideration that god is more then what we can comprehend/understand so its almost usless to ponder gods methods or think if what god said is true b/c of this or that. I gess you could see it like this if we didnt have free will then everytime someone killed another person then that person could just say well god make me do it b/c god knew that i was going to do it already and didnt stop it or change it
And if he said that then he would be right
“Since the beginning of time twas written in the stones that one day a band would come. Well, that band has come and now they’re here to come again in your ear pussies.“ | |
| 09 Apr 2008 07:08 am |
Banned Rep: 51 Joined: 07 Jul 2006 Posts: 14,808 OFFLINE | Itachi Uchiha wrote:
Freewill is exist but in boundry and lines of course... if you want absolute free you will hurt someone else...
If that’s true, then why is that we don’t see every atheist committing crimes? And why is is that atheists have the smallest prison population?
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| 09 Apr 2008 07:09 am |
Banned Rep: 51Joined: 07 Jul 2006 Posts: 14,808 OFFLINE | Totalitus wrote:
KlNG JOHN wrote:
If God knows what you will do before you do then you don’t have free will
Indeed. He knows exactly what is going to happen.
Therefore we are all going to do exactly that no matter what.
There’s only an illusion of free will since your thoughts follow an exact, predetermined pattern.
FINALLY, someone who understands
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| 09 Apr 2008 07:45 am |
Regular Rep: 47  Joined: 20 Feb 2008 Posts: 287 OFFLINE | There you buddy, this mite cool you of a little!!! 
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