Genesis DoC vs Cloud DoC vs Chaos DoC vs Sephiroth AC

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The creators stated they could not make a character stronger than Sephiroth in the FF7 universe.

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1. Yes but it dident beat them then so it wont beat them now

2. So the Lifestream fucked Cloud up?, it had no effect on Vincent hell Chaos can even walk on it, that just show’s Vincent is immune and Cloud is not, as for the negative Lifestream it has yet to be used as a weapon so i don’t see how that help’s Seph to much

3. Nahhh Angeal grabbed the hand Genesis was going to blast Seph with and Genesis used his other arm to blast Angeal in the face, so he could have delt a damageing blow to the Roth (and yes Seph did begin to get the better of Gen untill he raised his power and neither could gain any ground).

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Cmon guy’s sure Seph is given the title of strongest but that dousent mean he can’t be rivaled or beaten as he has been so many time’s before by the less skilled and powerful.

I mean Cloud AC could go toe to toe with Seph add another year’s experiance and i think Cloud could do alot better plus he is becomeing a pro at Roth killing lol Omnislash anyone.

Genesis was on par in CC minus the J-Cell’s but now he has them so Gen is new and improved so to say plus he has outwitted Seph in the past many a time so id deffinately count Gen in the game.

Chaos is obviously in with a shot being the fact of his feat’s shown in DoC, basicaly the way i see it anyone better than Cloud has a sure fire shot at beating Sephiroth, and Chaos and Omega Weiss are in that small collection of being’s (plus Chaos is stronger than DoC Cloud who is over AC Cloud) he took down Omega and demonstrated great skill speed strenth and ability against DG Azul/Russo/Nero/ and Weiss

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It has nothing to do with beating them, it’s to do with confusing them, and the shap shifting still fooled everyone.

I don’t think Vincent got curb stomped underneath the planet where the lifestream was most concentrated for a week.
The negative lifrstream drains energy, that is it’s purpose.


Well then where did his sword go?

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No he just wins be default, I never said he can’t be rivalled in physical battle, but all-out it’s a win by deafault. Cloud is more skilled than Chaos, he’s just less powerful.

Nobody has a move like Omnislash for starters and if Sephiroth used other abilities, Cloud is dead.


I don’t see how Genesis is going to outwit Sephiroth iin battle, come on, Sephiroth is not as dumb as Mr Mxy.

Cloud beats more powerful beings because of his skill.

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1. well it still never beat them and they would expect Shapeshifting now

2. Lifestream is LifeStream Omega sucked up the whole thing so basicaly it was focused on Omega did it effect Chaos... nope, Ve stream take’s over the Pure stream were douse it state it absorb’s energy?

3. His other hand, you see him reform the blast

4. Why douse Seph win by default, Cloud has more skill than Chaos when he is a brute but when Vinnie is in control not really

5. Who said Omni Slash is the only way to kill a roth lol, plus i agree Seph>Cloud

6. Genesis has made Seph his pawn many a time and he may still be but Gen is equal to Seph and Smarter so he may win

7. ??? Omega Weapon Azul Russo Nero Omega-Weiss
Bahamut Sin Loz Yazzo Kadaj Sephiroth

erm Vinnie beat harder Foe’s with skill...

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They were still in the illusion.
They would expect shapeshifting yes, but how would they know who was who?

Chaos wasn’t bombarded with lifestream like Cloud was for starters, and Chaos dies with Omega anyway, Omega 'started' to ascend meaning he didn’t finish what he was doing, Chaos killed it and himself before it couldtake the whoel lifestream.
I’ll see if I can find out about that.

But how could he switch swords if Angeal held one of his hands?

Because SE have said it, you know it but won’t listen. No Cloud has more skill than Vincent fullstop.
5. Who said Omni Slash is the only way to kill a roth lol, plus i agree Seph>Cloud

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Sephiroth rapes.

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Chaos DoC he is faster stronger and more powerful than the other’s are

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Is that why SE stated that Sephiroth is the strongest? Read post 22 dude, oh and Sephiroth was doing warp speed in his BASE form.

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SE said Sephiroth was the Strongest did they say those exact word’s or are you misreading the text their buddy?,

ohh i see were u got that from:

Tetsuya Nomura wrote: “Kitase said that Sephiroth’s existence and will is extremely powerful. There is nothing stronger, nothing above him.

This reffer’s to Sephiroth’s WILL being the strongest and nothing being ubove it.

Commentary on BC wrote: “Zack was chosen as the main character as a representative of a BC era SOLDIER. Sephiroth is already the strongest in the world so there’s no room for growth, and we couldn’t possibly see ourselves making a game over type situation where he loses”

This is flawed straight away and i mean it, because in BC Sephiroth is quight obviously known as the strongest on the planet but as CC revealed Angeal was perfect and the true success out of he Seph and Gen plus Gen was on par so it’s quight clear that Seph can be riveled and surpassed.

Tetsuya Nomura wrote: “Producer Kitase decided that they couldn’t make any other character stronger than Sephiroth in the world of FFVII.“

While true at the time im sure many of you have also bin reading were Kitase gave conference that he dident plan on doing anything else but AC and CC but then other project’s BC DoC the new VII game started to take form, so don’t rely on such a statement Kitase said he has enough material to keep VIIverse going for 10yr’s now so take into account he did say that but also he dident have any major plan’s in the work’s at that point thing’s WILL change the fact Angeal was superior show’s this and Genesis being on par and now reborn aknew no less.

So be open if i were you, i don’t doubt Sephiroth pwn’s but he can BE pwned 2 lol

Anyway what Cloud can do Chaos can surly do Bro even without Omnislash

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Who say’s Omnislash is the only way to win against Seph lol it’s just a big ass sword hitting him at high speed not a godly endowed move of light or something Chaos had way more power than Cloud and alot more strenth and speed plus his weapon’s fire energy not bullet’s so Chaos is a shoe in for the win

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The bolded part for emphasis, need I say anymore?

Official commentary > Anything. Cloud was the true succes in VII too, that doesn’t mean he was greater than Sephiroth. Sephiroth can be rivaled but NOT surpassed.
It doesnt matter if Kitase did or did not take part in DoC (ehich he actually did) he KNOWS about DoC but STIIL said Sephiroth is the strongest despite other amazing feats from other characters.
Hypothetically speaking, no he can’t lol.

I don’t think so.

In VII they failed to beat him, Cloud threw him in the lifestream but failed to beat his ass, but Omnislash seems to pwn him properly. Chaos is nothing compared to the tech, his gun shoots energy, but Weiss was able to parry it, your point?

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Im Merly saying sure Seph is the most powerful but not in all aspect’s of battle, and we know he can be riveled by lesser being’s and beaten so their is the chance depending if we use Hypothetical battle or not?

Katase did say Sephiroth is the most powerful being but i wouldent be surprised if that dident change considering he also said their was much more in store from FFVII plus we know Sephiroth CAN be beaten and rivaled.

You don’t think Chaos can beat Sephiroth?,

a, he is more powerful than Cloud
b, he destroyed Omega
c, he was ment to irradicate all life on earth
d, Chaos wasnt even at full power till the end of DoC

Next all we know is Sephiroth is the son of Jeanova so what make’s J-Cell’s>Chaos Gene?, Seriously tho an alien being over Chaos how douse that work, Sephiroth is stronger than Jeanova i agree but so too is Chaos by way of power’s and ability’s.

I know Sephiroth came back from death but he never really died the same applies for Chaos he went back to sleep with Omega untill called forth again both are powerful enough to end the earth

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Remember 'nothing above him'?
Hypothetical battle he would DESTROY Cloud badly.

Nothing has been rectonned, so he still is the greatest.

In a hypothetical battle everybody loses to Sephiroth, pretty much anyone could beat Sephiroth but because he’s the strongest he is guranteed victory.

a) He’s not better skilled than Cloud
b) So could Sephiroth
c) Sephiroth can do the same, but he can also manipulate it
d) Sephiroth didn’t use all his full abilities on Cloud.

It’s what Sephiroth can do with Jenova cells that make him so great
I could go through a list of all of Sephiroth’s abilities and show you why he wins too.

Chaos returned to the planet, Sephiroth has NEVER returned to the planet. Big difference, Sephiroth can end the planet too. Chaos and Omega are dead, hence them returning to the planet, Sephiroth isn’t.

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I think ill just agree Sephiroth is the best so he win’s any match in realistic term’s, i do however think he would be hard pressed to defeat Chaos tho.

If it is ingame tho ill give it to Chaos because of charicer defect’s (Sephiroth is far to arrogant) as for the abc logic:

a, It is opinion that Cloud is more skilled than Chaos in realistic term’s Chaos is the powerhouse true but the true power was released by the end of DoC now this is when Vincent take’s control and Vincent weild’s his weapon’s just as fluid as Cloud his sword am i right?, as he was able to fight of Weiss in equal Combat and Weiss>Cloud in all fairness

b, Allout yes Sephiroth could stop Omega but in theory Omega is already the strongest weapon enhanced by th Lifestream so it’s a tough one (i know Omega is > VII Sephiroth but AC Sephiroth is stronger) i rekon if he used some more of his ability’s yes he would win as Sephiroth>everyone.

c, I was more on the fact of in pysical battle he could kill everyone not spiritual manipulation of the Lifestream

d, Correct witch leave’s much to be desired but Sephiroth AC is logicaly under Chaos from what is known (AC Cloud beat’s him DoC Cloud more so Weiss beat’s Cloud and Chaos beat’s Omega Weiss).

I would like to hear your thought’s on J-Cell’s to know what make’s them superior to Chaos Genome but i doubt they are as ive compared Jeanova history to the Chaos File’s and they seem very much inferior.

Sephiroth is currently dead as in returned to the planet just like Chaos and Omega have returned (they can all come back when the time call’s for it but neither are bound to it) They arnt dead it talk’s in the UO of them going to sleep untill called forth by the end once more meaning they havent died only retuned to the earth like before (remember they were in Gaia before hand not dead just awaiting release).

Sephiroth also must await his time now he isnt dead just dormant untill he can return

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In a physical battle yes.

He actually only shows arrogance in AC, and that was towards Cloud for obvious reasons.

Cloud is better skilled, that’s the main reason as to why he can keep up with powerhouses. Nah Weiss isn’t as skilled as Sephiroth, Seph’s skill > pretty much anyone. Also remember than Cloud has dis-armed gunners before (Yazoo). Only Omega Weiss I believe is above Cloud.

Well physically he can do it without any powers, remember his physical abilites poo on everyone elses. The strongest weapon does not make Omega the most powerful character. He could do what Chaos did without a scratch, his barrier can take multiple city busters, then there’s intangbility.

He could win either way.

Chaos and Weiss do not posses Omnislash, and that is why they lose and why Cloud won.

It’s how Sephiroth manipulates them.
Telekenesis.
Intangibility.
Telepathy.
Flight.
Regenration.
Teleporting.
Illusions.
Shapeshifting.
I’m sure there are more.
But his barrier is pretty strong as in BC a member of Shinra said a shot from the NORMAL Junon canon could take out Midgar, remember the shot that took out Sephiroth’s barrier needed a bost from the mako reactors.
Then there’s his superhuman feats, speed, strength, durability, reflexes etc.
Then there’s his negative lifestream, Sephiroth has pretty much the knowledge of the Anceints, so he has control of life and death, and we all know that materia is super condensed lifestream, so that pretty much gives him any magic.
He’s resistant to transformation all that stuff (All FF main villains are).
The Negative lifestream can be used as a weapon to drain energy. I’m sure there are more, but you see Sephiroth has all this and Chaos, Weiss and Cloud are pretty much limited to physocal abilites. If Sephiroth uses just physical abilites he will have to work for it, but he will eventually beat any of them as he doesn’t tire, but with other abilities it’s massive rape.

That’s the thing, Sephiroth HASN’T and has NEVER returned to the planet, his will is stronger than the planets, so he doesn’t return to it, he can resist it because of his insane will. It said Chaos and Omega are asleep in the UO? You mean the Compilation Ultimania? I don’t remember that being said, but returning to the planet actually means you are dead.

He won’t come back as it will pretty much ruin his rep especially if he gets beat again, he can’t die, he won’t allow his will to be diluted in the lifestream, he 'could' come back, but SE would be in serious need of money if they did so.

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Cloud wins this because of Omnislash...that’s all I need to say as Seph is retarded, and all the other guys are all 'weaker' than Seph...