I cant see it. If you told me you believe in santa and I thought you where serious, why wouldnt I be allow to laught at you. If someone thinks that Bush is the greatest president ever in the history of the US, am I supose to just node and respect that belief. When I read about scientology and operation freak out, that they believe that it was justifiy. Do I just sit there and node, respecting that belief. Do I just sit their and respect a kkk member spouting off some bs, or do I get up and ridicule that person. Why does your religion/belief deserve more respect then anything else, I can think up...
Has it ever accure to any of these people that maybe, just maybe, they might try and use their own “respect all beliefs”, belief, on my little belief, about not having to respect those who can not or will not justifiy their beliefs..
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Why religion/belief deserves respect, more then anything else.
All beliefs should be respected ***************** 67%
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Beliefs should only be respected when justified ********* 33%
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--- Theory does not mean an unsubstantiated guess or hunch, as it can in everyday speech. A theory is a logically self-consistent model or framework for describing the behavior of a related set of natural or social phenomena.
You should be respecting all beliefs. Not necessarily agreeing with them, but respecting them. Certain exceptions such as the KKK believing black people are inferior may not garner as much respect if any at all because of their intents to harm. Other religions and beliefs are not always directly doing this (I can’t think of any, but there are likely a few that are), and don’t really deserve any disrespect.
(There’s my shot at why religion and belief deserves respect -shrugs- for 6:37 in the morning that’s pretty good ^^)
Tyreaus wrote:
You should be respecting all beliefs. Not necessarily agreeing with them, but respecting them. Certain exceptions such as the KKK believing black people are inferior may not garner as much respect if any at all because of their intents to harm. Other religions and beliefs are not always directly doing this (I can’t think of any, but there are likely a few that are), and don’t really deserve any disrespect.
(There’s my shot at why religion and belief deserves respect -shrugs- for 6:37 in the morning that’s pretty good ^^)
But when you critizise a belief they get crazy and sometimes will say ti have respect.
Tyreaus wrote:
You should be respecting all beliefs. Not necessarily agreeing with them, but respecting them. Certain exceptions such as the KKK believing black people are inferior may not garner as much respect if any at all because of their intents to harm. Other religions and beliefs are not always directly doing this (I can’t think of any, but there are likely a few that are), and don’t really deserve any disrespect.
(There’s my shot at why religion and belief deserves respect -shrugs- for 6:37 in the morning that’s pretty good ^^)
But when you critizise a belief they get crazy and sometimes will say ti have respect.
To me that just says “leave us to our own business” and really, that’s what I feel you should do, since not everyone likes to be criticized with their beliefs. Ironic in a way since they’re often stepping directly into a place of criticism. Criticism can be touchy with a lot of people anyways; some can take it as a hate statement, others can take it way more leniently. That varies a lot, depending on how you say it I suppose.
But regardless, because I think I know where Gplex is going with this whole thing, you should be giving respect to the people’s beliefs and whatnot, on both sides. Being careful on how you word things. If you have the intent to respect their beliefs, regardless of whether you criticize them or not, things shouldn’t escalate into something serious. It isn’t a war after all.
Tyreaus wrote:
You should be respecting all beliefs. Not necessarily agreeing with them, but respecting them. Certain exceptions such as the KKK believing black people are inferior may not garner as much respect if any at all because of their intents to harm. Other religions and beliefs are not always directly doing this (I can’t think of any, but there are likely a few that are), and don’t really deserve any disrespect.
(There’s my shot at why religion and belief deserves respect -shrugs- for 6:37 in the morning that’s pretty good ^^)
No you have not made a good point, not all people from kkk intent to cause harm. You have not pointed out why a belief should be respected before they justify it.
--- Theory does not mean an unsubstantiated guess or hunch, as it can in everyday speech. A theory is a logically self-consistent model or framework for describing the behavior of a related set of natural or social phenomena.
Tyreaus wrote:
You should be respecting all beliefs. Not necessarily agreeing with them, but respecting them. Certain exceptions such as the KKK believing black people are inferior may not garner as much respect if any at all because of their intents to harm. Other religions and beliefs are not always directly doing this (I can’t think of any, but there are likely a few that are), and don’t really deserve any disrespect.
(There’s my shot at why religion and belief deserves respect -shrugs- for 6:37 in the morning that’s pretty good ^^)
But when you critizise a belief they get crazy and sometimes will say ti have respect.
To me that just says “leave us to our own business” and really, that’s what I feel you should do, since not everyone likes to be criticized with their beliefs. Ironic in a way since they’re often stepping directly into a place of criticism. Criticism can be touchy with a lot of people anyways; some can take it as a hate statement, others can take it way more leniently. That varies a lot, depending on how you say it I suppose.
But regardless, because I think I know where Gplex is going with this whole thing, you should be giving respect to the people’s beliefs and whatnot, on both sides. Being careful on how you word things. If you have the intent to respect their beliefs, regardless of whether you criticize them or not, things shouldn’t escalate into something serious. It isn’t a war after all.
No matter how you phrase your statement you will aways annoy somebody... its just that people here seem to be extremely touchy if you criticize something they believe..
--- Theory does not mean an unsubstantiated guess or hunch, as it can in everyday speech. A theory is a logically self-consistent model or framework for describing the behavior of a related set of natural or social phenomena.
Tyreaus wrote:
You should be respecting all beliefs. Not necessarily agreeing with them, but respecting them. Certain exceptions such as the KKK believing black people are inferior may not garner as much respect if any at all because of their intents to harm. Other religions and beliefs are not always directly doing this (I can’t think of any, but there are likely a few that are), and don’t really deserve any disrespect.
(There’s my shot at why religion and belief deserves respect -shrugs- for 6:37 in the morning that’s pretty good ^^)
But when you critizise a belief they get crazy and sometimes will say ti have respect.
To me that just says “leave us to our own business” and really, that’s what I feel you should do, since not everyone likes to be criticized with their beliefs. Ironic in a way since they’re often stepping directly into a place of criticism. Criticism can be touchy with a lot of people anyways; some can take it as a hate statement, others can take it way more leniently. That varies a lot, depending on how you say it I suppose.
But regardless, because I think I know where Gplex is going with this whole thing, you should be giving respect to the people’s beliefs and whatnot, on both sides. Being careful on how you word things. If you have the intent to respect their beliefs, regardless of whether you criticize them or not, things shouldn’t escalate into something serious. It isn’t a war after all.
No matter how you phrase your statement you will aways annoy somebody... its just that people here seem to be extremely touchy if you criticize something they believe..
It’s not just that Gplex, you pick on beliefs because you think they’re stupid, not because they’re bad or evil. There’s a difference between critisizing someone who believes something stupid and someone who believes something evil and, more importantly, acts out on those actions.
Sean of the Living wrote:
It’s not just that Gplex, you pick on beliefs because you think they’re stupid, not because they’re bad or evil. There’s a difference between critisizing someone who believes something stupid and someone who believes something evil and, more importantly, acts out on those actions.
Well I think he also wants to help our spieces out. I mean if everyone on earth believed like they did 2000 years ago, society is hurt in the long run.
Sean of the Living wrote:
It’s not just that Gplex, you pick on beliefs because you think they’re stupid, not because they’re bad or evil. There’s a difference between critisizing someone who believes something stupid and someone who believes something evil and, more importantly, acts out on those actions.
Well I think he also wants to help our spieces out. I mean if everyone on earth believed like they did 2000 years ago, society is hurt in the long run.
Yes but who knows what horrid morals may develop in the future. I think we need to keep at least a few of them even if it’s just the most basic ones just to keep society stable.
Last edited 18 Apr 2008 08:06 pm by Sean of the Living
Sean of the Living wrote:
It’s not just that Gplex, you pick on beliefs because you think they’re stupid, not because they’re bad or evil. There’s a difference between critisizing someone who believes something stupid and someone who believes something evil and, more importantly, acts out on those actions.
Well I think he also wants to help our spieces out. I mean if everyone on earth believed like they did 2000 years ago, society is hurt in the long run.
Yes but who knows what horrid morals may develop in the future. I think we need to keep at least a few of them even if it’s just the most basic ones just to keep society stable.
I can agree with that. As long as those morals can be agreed upon as fine in this era.
Tyreaus wrote:
You should be respecting all beliefs. Not necessarily agreeing with them, but respecting them. Certain exceptions such as the KKK believing black people are inferior may not garner as much respect if any at all because of their intents to harm. Other religions and beliefs are not always directly doing this (I can’t think of any, but there are likely a few that are), and don’t really deserve any disrespect.
(There’s my shot at why religion and belief deserves respect -shrugs- for 6:37 in the morning that’s pretty good ^^)
No you have not made a good point, not all people from kkk intent to cause harm. You have not pointed out why a belief should be respected before they justify it.
I meant more along the lines of the fact that the KKK is hateful toward black people (or was, haven’t touched up on recent history); they’re promoting hate in a way, while other beliefs don’t.
What I don’t see is any reason to hate or disrespect a belief or religion that doesn’t promote hate. Why I said you should be respecting other’s beliefs, as they’re innocent enough.
Tyreaus wrote:
You should be respecting all beliefs. Not necessarily agreeing with them, but respecting them. Certain exceptions such as the KKK believing black people are inferior may not garner as much respect if any at all because of their intents to harm. Other religions and beliefs are not always directly doing this (I can’t think of any, but there are likely a few that are), and don’t really deserve any disrespect.
(There’s my shot at why religion and belief deserves respect -shrugs- for 6:37 in the morning that’s pretty good ^^)
But when you critizise a belief they get crazy and sometimes will say ti have respect.
To me that just says “leave us to our own business” and really, that’s what I feel you should do, since not everyone likes to be criticized with their beliefs. Ironic in a way since they’re often stepping directly into a place of criticism. Criticism can be touchy with a lot of people anyways; some can take it as a hate statement, others can take it way more leniently. That varies a lot, depending on how you say it I suppose.
But regardless, because I think I know where Gplex is going with this whole thing, you should be giving respect to the people’s beliefs and whatnot, on both sides. Being careful on how you word things. If you have the intent to respect their beliefs, regardless of whether you criticize them or not, things shouldn’t escalate into something serious. It isn’t a war after all.
No matter how you phrase your statement you will aways annoy somebody... its just that people here seem to be extremely touchy if you criticize something they believe..
True, but you likely won’t be talking to the entire world, you’ll be talking to a more select group of people. Usually, within that boundary, you can word something so you don’t annoy everyone, or at the least, escalate the situation into something much more serious than it should be.
Why SHOULD people have to justify their beliefs? Why shouldn’t you be nice to start with? Does the fact that someone believes in something you think is stupid give you the right to make fun of them and be a complete asshole?
Red_Calibur9 wrote:All beliefs demand respect, Gplex. And because you don’t give it and act like an @$$, you don’t get it.
What an idiot. Respect all beliefs, I will not respect ALL beliefs. You are a fool to think this.
--- Theory does not mean an unsubstantiated guess or hunch, as it can in everyday speech. A theory is a logically self-consistent model or framework for describing the behavior of a related set of natural or social phenomena.
Sean of the Living wrote:
Why SHOULD people have to justify their beliefs? Why shouldn’t you be nice to start with? Does the fact that someone believes in something you think is stupid give you the right to make fun of them and be a complete asshole?
Alright, so I can not say anything about the flat earth people, I can not say anything about those who think magic is real, I can not say anything against anyone no matter how stupid their beliefs are.
Please as far as I can see, all everyone is doing is trying to put forward a very stupid idea, so that their religion/beliefs will not be ridiculed.
Religion is the only belief system that has ever demanded this much respect. I could ridicule you one anything else, and no one would take as much offence to it as much as religion does.
I am not mean about what I say, I only stat facts, and correct people on their mistakes. Unlike a few theist here I could name. When I ridculing, I try to explose how silly something they have put forward, or have done.
Its not like I say crap like “nah nah you a wrong nah nah you a wrong” like many people on this forum claim I do.
--- Theory does not mean an unsubstantiated guess or hunch, as it can in everyday speech. A theory is a logically self-consistent model or framework for describing the behavior of a related set of natural or social phenomena.
Sean of the Living wrote:
It’s not just that Gplex, you pick on beliefs because you think they’re stupid, not because they’re bad or evil. There’s a difference between critisizing someone who believes something stupid and someone who believes something evil and, more importantly, acts out on those actions.
Oh you mean like religion is in america is trying to destroy all of science, no that wont effect anyone (sarcasm)
--- Theory does not mean an unsubstantiated guess or hunch, as it can in everyday speech. A theory is a logically self-consistent model or framework for describing the behavior of a related set of natural or social phenomena.
Sean of the Living wrote:
Why SHOULD people have to justify their beliefs? Why shouldn’t you be nice to start with? Does the fact that someone believes in something you think is stupid give you the right to make fun of them and be a complete asshole?
Yes. For instance, There are white sepremists. Do they deserve respect? Do people who treat women as 2nd class citizens or animals deserve respect?
What an idiot. Respect all beliefs, I will not respect ALL beliefs. You are a fool to think this.
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