| 18 Apr 2008 03:12 am |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 23  Joined: 26 Dec 2007 Posts: 1,898 OFFLINE |
 petrofsky wrote:
Red_Calibur9 wrote:
petrofsky wrote:
NihilusRavager7780 wrote:
petrofsky wrote:
Itachi Uchiha wrote:
Do you believe in Jinn, Satan and Ghost...???
CAN SCIENCES REACH THAT LEVEL OF REALM...???
Answer this first... atheist... btw you and these universe are proof that god is exist...
No. I don’t believe in anything I cannot see physically.
The universe is proof? No it is not. Anything could have made the universe.
If you are saying God created the universe... what created God?
Want some proof of God’s non existance? Look around you. Look at the pain and suffering. Do you think a loving, caring God would throw us in this world of misery and hate?
And do you expect God to do everything for you? to fix all of your problems? Then what is the point of free will? We have to learn to do things for ourselves, not to let God do everything for us.
Why wouldn’t he? He has the power doesn’t he? What does he have to hide?
Fix it yourself.
Why would he make us do it if he was so powerful when we are weak. We will just go through more pain. Or he could just be a lazy asshole.
My favourite movie once asked the question: If a man is forced to reject evil, does that really make him good in his heart? Is a man who saves a life because he was forced to any better than a robot who saves a life because it was programmed to? Is he even truly a man? Would someone be good if they aggresively forced someone else to be good against their will?
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| 18 Apr 2008 06:49 am |
Dr. Matt Rep: 48 Joined: 07 Jul 2006 Posts: 14,545 OFFLINE | Itachi Uchiha wrote:
Why would he make us do it if he was so powerful when we are weak. We will just go through more pain. Or he could just be a lazy asshole.
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He have right of everything... just like I said to gplex... you want god server you not you serve him...
Why would you want to serve a ruthless dictator?
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| 18 Apr 2008 07:24 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 23Joined: 26 Dec 2007 Posts: 1,898 OFFLINE | ramunematt wrote:
Itachi Uchiha wrote:
Why would he make us do it if he was so powerful when we are weak. We will just go through more pain. Or he could just be a lazy asshole.
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He have right of everything... just like I said to gplex... you want god server you not you serve him...
Why would you want to serve a ruthless dictator?
How is he a dictator? Humans have killed each other far more than God has and God doesn’t forcibly program everyone to believe in him either. The only bad thing God has done in Abrahamic religions is made the flood and even then that was to kill millions of demons who were living on Earth and give humanity another chance at a fresh new world through Noah.
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| 18 Apr 2008 07:33 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 10Joined: 07 Mar 2008 Posts: 1,402 OFFLINE | Sean of the Living wrote:
ramunematt wrote:
Itachi Uchiha wrote:
Why would he make us do it if he was so powerful when we are weak. We will just go through more pain. Or he could just be a lazy asshole.
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He have right of everything... just like I said to gplex... you want god server you not you serve him...
Why would you want to serve a ruthless dictator?
How is he a dictator? Humans have killed each other far more than God has and God doesn’t forcibly program everyone to believe in him either. The only bad thing God has done in Abrahamic religions is made the flood and even then that was to kill millions of demons who were living on Earth and give humanity another chance at a fresh new world through Noah.
But he killed many humans in the process, also he is a dictator because he wants everyone to worship him and if you don’t well you go to hell. So no he doesn’t force you too.
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| 18 Apr 2008 11:14 pm |
Dr. Matt Rep: 48Joined: 07 Jul 2006 Posts: 14,545 OFFLINE | Sean of the Living wrote:
ramunematt wrote:
Itachi Uchiha wrote:
Why would he make us do it if he was so powerful when we are weak. We will just go through more pain. Or he could just be a lazy asshole.
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He have right of everything... just like I said to gplex... you want god server you not you serve him...
Why would you want to serve a ruthless dictator?
How is he a dictator? Humans have killed each other far more than God has and God doesn’t forcibly program everyone to believe in him either. The only bad thing God has done in Abrahamic religions is made the flood and even then that was to kill millions of demons who were living on Earth and give humanity another chance at a fresh new world through Noah.
I’m not saying god is a dictator because he killed people, I’m saying he is a dictator because he has absolute power/authority over the universe.
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| 19 Apr 2008 12:39 am |
The Mangekyou Sharingan Rep: 47 Joined: 01 Oct 2007 Posts: 10,212 OFFLINE | Why would you want to serve a ruthless dictator?
I’m not saying god is a dictator because he killed people, I’m saying he is a dictator because he has absolute power/authority over the universe.
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You want rule the universe...??? you even cant rules windows viruses...
btw, you want immortal life by saying that god killed people since people have time to die...
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| 19 Apr 2008 03:12 am |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 52  Joined: 17 Jan 2007 Posts: 4,929 OFFLINE | RebornChibiDiscoDhaos wrote:
But he killed many humans in the process, also he is a dictator because he wants everyone to worship him and if you don’t well you go to hell. So no he doesn’t force you too.
if I held a gun to your head and told you to say uncle, hey I didnt force you to say uncle... bs bs bs.
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| 19 Apr 2008 12:14 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 10Joined: 07 Mar 2008 Posts: 1,402 OFFLINE | Gplex wrote:
RebornChibiDiscoDhaos wrote:
But he killed many humans in the process, also he is a dictator because he wants everyone to worship him and if you don’t well you go to hell. So no he doesn’t force you too.
if I held a gun to your head and told you to say uncle, hey I didnt force you to say uncle... bs bs bs.
Well yeah. It’s the same thing, Just technically he doesn’t force it nor did you in the situation. However, you might as well have been since in either situation your dead.
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| 20 Apr 2008 05:45 am |
The Mangekyou Sharingan Rep: 47Joined: 01 Oct 2007 Posts: 10,212 OFFLINE | if I held a gun to your head and told you to say uncle, hey I didnt force you to say uncle... bs bs bs.
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Poeple who honour other religion, people or this earth and animals... Allah SWT have something for them... that is His choice to put you to heaven and hell... no matter if you deny him but you honour others you deserver to get heaven...
read Qur’an closely and not pointing that god is evil...
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| 20 Apr 2008 05:48 am |
The Mangekyou Sharingan Rep: 47Joined: 01 Oct 2007 Posts: 10,212 OFFLINE | No. We are chemicals put together in a way we function by instinct for us to survive.
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Why we die...??? Why even our chemicals work fine we still die...???
can you explain this to me...
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| 20 Apr 2008 07:46 am |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 52Joined: 17 Jan 2007 Posts: 4,929 OFFLINE | Itachi Uchiha wrote:
if I held a gun to your head and told you to say uncle, hey I didnt force you to say uncle... bs bs bs.
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Poeple who honour other religion, people or this earth and animals... Allah SWT have something for them... that is His choice to put you to heaven and hell... no matter if you deny him but you honour others you deserver to get heaven...
read Qur’an closely and not pointing that god is evil...
Qur’an is a load of bs, not as much as the bible though...
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| 20 Apr 2008 07:47 am |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 52Joined: 17 Jan 2007 Posts: 4,929 OFFLINE | Itachi Uchiha wrote:
No. We are chemicals put together in a way we function by instinct for us to survive.
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Why we die...??? Why even our chemicals work fine we still die...???
can you explain this to me...
Itachi you where dead billions of years before you where alive, explain to my why the chemicals where not dead then also...
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| 20 Apr 2008 07:59 am |
Wannabe Rep: 0Joined: 20 Apr 2008 Posts: 86 OFFLINE | god dus not egsist
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| 20 Apr 2008 12:42 pm |
petrofsky nli Guest | Itachi Uchiha wrote:
No. We are chemicals put together in a way we function by instinct for us to survive.
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Why we die...??? Why even our chemicals work fine we still die...???
can you explain this to me...
Because we are dead, our body fails. Then the chemicals do nothing to our body.
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| 20 Apr 2008 02:03 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 10Joined: 07 Mar 2008 Posts: 1,402 OFFLINE | Gplex wrote:
Itachi Uchiha wrote:
if I held a gun to your head and told you to say uncle, hey I didnt force you to say uncle... bs bs bs.
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Poeple who honour other religion, people or this earth and animals... Allah SWT have something for them... that is His choice to put you to heaven and hell... no matter if you deny him but you honour others you deserver to get heaven...
read Qur’an closely and not pointing that god is evil...
Qur’an is a load of bs, not as much as the bible though...
Well the Qur’an was made by one guy so that is easily explained, the reason the bible is full of alot of BS is because of the whole lots of writers thing, that and we were stupider back then.
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| 20 Apr 2008 02:15 pm |
Ace of 'Nades Rep: 65 Joined: 30 Apr 2007 Posts: 16,506 OFFLINE | God isn’t forcing you to obey him. He’s tryin' to save your @$$, but go to Hell if you wanna, it’s your own business.
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| 20 Apr 2008 02:19 pm |
シス卿 Rep: 87 Joined: 07 Jan 2008 Posts: 31,053 ONLINE | Red_Calibur9 wrote:
God isn’t forcing you to obey him. He’s tryin' to save your @$$, but go to Hell if you wanna, it’s your own business.
And why say something like that? You don’t go to Hell just because you have an opinion on something. You don’t go to Heaven just because you think that you are either.
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| 20 Apr 2008 08:15 pm |
The Mangekyou Sharingan Rep: 47Joined: 01 Oct 2007 Posts: 10,212 OFFLINE | Itachi you where dead billions of years before you where alive, explain to my why the chemicals where not dead then also...
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hmmm... my neighbour only 40 yesterday he looks fine but today he die... why...???
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Well the Qur’an was made by one guy so that is easily explained, the reason the bible is full of alot of BS is because of the whole lots of writers thing, that and we were stupider back then.
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Can you create something like Qur’an...???
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| 20 Apr 2008 09:42 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 10Joined: 07 Mar 2008 Posts: 1,402 OFFLINE | Itachi Uchiha wrote:
Itachi you where dead billions of years before you where alive, explain to my why the chemicals where not dead then also...
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hmmm... my neighbour only 40 yesterday he looks fine but today he die... why...???
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Well the Qur’an was made by one guy so that is easily explained, the reason the bible is full of alot of BS is because of the whole lots of writers thing, that and we were stupider back then.
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Can you create something like Qur’an...???
Yes it’s quite simple actually.
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| 21 Apr 2008 01:55 am |
The Mangekyou Sharingan Rep: 47Joined: 01 Oct 2007 Posts: 10,212 OFFLINE | Yes it’s quite simple actually.
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Let me see it... and do not copy it from another...
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