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guest91 Guest | and i think your getting people confuzed with the ones that say they have a religion compared to the ones that are actualy religious
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UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 29  Joined: 06 May 2007 Posts: 3,128 OFFLINE | I am well aware, but you cannot deny that there are more religious racists than atheist ones. By the way, Hitler was a Protestant.
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Dr. Matt Rep: 48 Joined: 07 Jul 2006 Posts: 14,545 OFFLINE | Itachi Uchiha wrote:
Oh yes, and he was 40. I knew many people under 10 who have died for reasons. One was from cancer, another was from dying from heat in his car, etc.
Bottom line, everyone dies for some kind of organic reason.
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Like what...??? he laugh, and talk to everybody but suddenly he die...
my father’s fren also die in Idul Fitri after making forgiven to all neighbour hood but when he sit back on his chair... he die and he only 45... he always doing exercise or something...
run and walking in sunday morning...
why...???
the age limiting him...??? or the god suck out his soul since that is his time to die...???
there was another one having TBC and always smoking but still fine and live untill today...
Why are you asking us? This has nothing to do with this topic. If you really want to know then go see the autopsy report.
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Regular Rep: 8Joined: 20 Mar 2008 Posts: 192 OFFLINE | guest91 wrote:
and as far as i can tell most atheiests get there morals from there religius parents/reletives or comunity if you take that away then you get more and more people like the guy in the video that dont care about anyone and would just let people die
What? Since when does one have to be brought up religious in order to have morals/values? Your argument is absurd.
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We will set out with a fire in our hearts/When this darkness gives way to the dawn/In the light we are united as one/For the kingdom of heaven must be taken by storm! | | | 22 Apr 2008 09:26 pm |
guest91 Guest | Coleslaw wrote:
guest91 wrote:
and as far as i can tell most atheiests get there morals from there religius parents/reletives or comunity if you take that away then you get more and more people like the guy in the video that dont care about anyone and would just let people die
What? Since when does one have to be brought up religious in order to have morals/values? Your argument is absurd.
since that is where morals dirive from religion. Now im talking about the begging here. What stoped people thousands of years ago from just killing everyone b/c there form of religion what ever it was game them rules and morals
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UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 29Joined: 06 May 2007 Posts: 3,128 OFFLINE | guest91 wrote:
Coleslaw wrote:
guest91 wrote:
and as far as i can tell most atheiests get there morals from there religius parents/reletives or comunity if you take that away then you get more and more people like the guy in the video that dont care about anyone and would just let people die
What? Since when does one have to be brought up religious in order to have morals/values? Your argument is absurd.
since that is where morals dirive from religion. Now im talking about the begging here. What stoped people thousands of years ago from just killing everyone b/c there form of religion what ever it was game them rules and morals
No, you are thinking of the structure of a government. Government stopped that, not religeon. Religeon sure helped afterwards, but at the same time did not help at all because religious people thought they had to kill others to spread their ideas.
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Regular Rep: 8Joined: 20 Mar 2008 Posts: 192 OFFLINE | guest91 wrote:
Coleslaw wrote:
guest91 wrote:
and as far as i can tell most atheiests get there morals from there religius parents/reletives or comunity if you take that away then you get more and more people like the guy in the video that dont care about anyone and would just let people die
What? Since when does one have to be brought up religious in order to have morals/values? Your argument is absurd.
since that is where morals dirive from religion. Now im talking about the begging here. What stoped people thousands of years ago from just killing everyone b/c there form of religion what ever it was game them rules and morals
Stop being obtuse. Thousands of years ago religion wouldn’t stop anyone from committing the act of murder, and for the most part religion facilitated violence and persecution. The same holds true for the modern era - although morals and values can certainly be derived from religion, said morals depend upon one’s upbringing, environment, social expectations and taboos, etc. Religion does NOT need to play a role in one’s upbringing, and contrary to what you’re suggesting, being brought up Christian isn’t going to prevent someone from becoming a mass murderer. Also, fix your English; it’s atrocious.
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guest91 Guest | Coleslaw wrote:
guest91 wrote:
Coleslaw wrote:
guest91 wrote:
and as far as i can tell most atheiests get there morals from there religius parents/reletives or comunity if you take that away then you get more and more people like the guy in the video that dont care about anyone and would just let people die
What? Since when does one have to be brought up religious in order to have morals/values? Your argument is absurd.
since that is where morals dirive from religion. Now im talking about the begging here. What stoped people thousands of years ago from just killing everyone b/c there form of religion what ever it was game them rules and morals
Stop being obtuse. Thousands of years ago religion wouldn’t stop anyone from committing the act of murder, and for the most part religion facilitated violence and persecution. The same holds true for the modern era - although morals and values can certainly be derived from religion, said morals depend upon one’s upbringing, environment, social expectations and taboos, etc. Religion does NOT need to play a role in one’s upbringing, and contrary to what you’re suggesting, being brought up Christian isn’t going to prevent someone from becoming a mass murderer. Also, fix your English; it’s atrocious.
i didnt say it needed to be in one life if someone does not believe in something that is there buiseness im saying that the chances are there morals are from there parents chances are there parents do have a religion and obtained there morals from the religon and so on and so forth with the grandparents on down. And dont bring up religion facilitating violence if i say that i am a christian but i kill a man then i obyisly am not following my religion that is against violence. In reality almost everything people like you try to blame religion on is human error if my religion says do not kill then i kill and say it was for my religion then i did not follow my religion very well that being the person is retarded. And dont talk about my english this isnt a paper for class no one cares
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UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 29Joined: 06 May 2007 Posts: 3,128 OFFLINE | guest91 wrote:
Coleslaw wrote:
guest91 wrote:
Coleslaw wrote:
guest91 wrote:
and as far as i can tell most atheiests get there morals from there religius parents/reletives or comunity if you take that away then you get more and more people like the guy in the video that dont care about anyone and would just let people die
What? Since when does one have to be brought up religious in order to have morals/values? Your argument is absurd.
since that is where morals dirive from religion. Now im talking about the begging here. What stoped people thousands of years ago from just killing everyone b/c there form of religion what ever it was game them rules and morals
Stop being obtuse. Thousands of years ago religion wouldn’t stop anyone from committing the act of murder, and for the most part religion facilitated violence and persecution. The same holds true for the modern era - although morals and values can certainly be derived from religion, said morals depend upon one’s upbringing, environment, social expectations and taboos, etc. Religion does NOT need to play a role in one’s upbringing, and contrary to what you’re suggesting, being brought up Christian isn’t going to prevent someone from becoming a mass murderer. Also, fix your English; it’s atrocious.
i didnt say it needed to be in one life if someone does not believe in something that is there buiseness im saying that the chances are there morals are from there parents chances are there parents do have a religion and obtained there morals from the religon and so on and so forth with the grandparents on down. And dont bring up religion facilitating violence if i say that i am a christian but i kill a man then i obyisly am not following my religion that is against violence. In reality almost everything people like you try to blame religion on is human error if my religion says do not kill then i kill and say it was for my religion then i did not follow my religion very well that being the person is retarded. And dont talk about my english this isnt a paper for class no one cares
All because your parents are atheists does not mean you don’t have morals. Religion did not really set them up in the first place, government did.
It is against religion to kill, yet the leaders think it is okay to kill non believers? I would think they would find something wrong with that, or they did read their bible right, or they think they are so good that they no what God wants.
And if you are trying to hold up and educated argument, please make sense with your grammar so we wont get confused.
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Regular Rep: 8Joined: 20 Mar 2008 Posts: 192 OFFLINE | guest91 wrote:
i didnt say it needed to be in one life if someone does not believe in something that is there buiseness im saying that the chances are there morals are from there parents chances are there parents do have a religion and obtained there morals from the religon and so on and so forth with the grandparents on down.
It’s a bird, it’s a plane, it’s... the point, whizzing over your head! Religion does not instill morals in people by default, and your claim that “chances are their parents had a religion and obtained their morals from the religion” – all the way down the line – is absurd. You’re making a sweeping generalization that makes no sense; the least you could do to support your argument would be to consult data from the U.S. Census Bureau on what percentage of people consider themselves to be religious, but even that wouldn’t work very well. I would argue this point further, but I would just be reiterating what I already said earlier.
guest91 wrote:
And dont bring up religion facilitating violence if i say that i am a christian but i kill a man then i obyisly am not following my religion that is against violence.
Yes, let’s completely forget the Middle Ages, shall we? Wars, conflicts, massacres, and persecution in the name of religion have taken place countless times during history – whether you look at events centuries ago or even today. The violence in Northern Ireland, the Middle-East and Chechnya, are all fueled by religion to varying degrees. And let’s not forget the fact that colonialism in the late 1800’s and onward was justified by religious leaders and had a distinct Christian tone to it (e.g. that the colonizing countries were “civilizing” the barbarian peoples of Africa). The point is that while the various teachings of Jesus are certainly sensible, they weren’t new ideas thousands of years ago, and a number of things factor in to an individual’s morals.
guest91 wrote:
In reality almost everything people like you try to blame religion on is human error if my religion says do not kill then i kill and say it was for my religion then i did not follow my religion very well that being the person is retarded.
What? How is this relevant to what I was saying? Obviously if you’re a Catholic and you murder someone then it’s against the religion, that’s common knowledge. I already addressed the issue of morals, which you completely ignored.
guest91 wrote:
And dont talk about my english this isnt a paper for class no one cares
Yes, I’m sure that many people on this forum don’t care, but the fact that you type like the victim of cranial drill intrusion doesn’t help your argument.
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We will set out with a fire in our hearts/When this darkness gives way to the dawn/In the light we are united as one/For the kingdom of heaven must be taken by storm! | | | 23 Apr 2008 07:47 pm |
The Mangekyou Sharingan Rep: 47 Joined: 01 Oct 2007 Posts: 10,291 OFFLINE | Why are you asking us? This has nothing to do with this topic. If you really want to know then go see the autopsy report.
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Do you believe in soul lucifer...???
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Regular Rep: 8Joined: 20 Mar 2008 Posts: 192 OFFLINE | ...what exactly are you asking him?
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We will set out with a fire in our hearts/When this darkness gives way to the dawn/In the light we are united as one/For the kingdom of heaven must be taken by storm! | | | 23 Apr 2008 07:58 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 29Joined: 06 May 2007 Posts: 3,128 OFFLINE | Itachi Uchiha wrote:
Why are you asking us? This has nothing to do with this topic. If you really want to know then go see the autopsy report.
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Do you believe in soul lucifer...???
No, and anyone who does, and worships him is a complete moron.
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guest91 Guest | Coleslaw wrote:
guest91 wrote:
i didnt say it needed to be in one life if someone does not believe in something that is there buiseness im saying that the chances are there morals are from there parents chances are there parents do have a religion and obtained there morals from the religon and so on and so forth with the grandparents on down.
It’s a bird, it’s a plane, it’s... the point, whizzing over your head! Religion does not instill morals in people by default, and your claim that “chances are their parents had a religion and obtained their morals from the religion” – all the way down the line – is absurd. You’re making a sweeping generalization that makes no sense; the least you could do to support your argument would be to consult data from the U.S. Census Bureau on what percentage of people consider themselves to be religious, but even that wouldn’t work very well. I would argue this point further, but I would just be reiterating what I already said earlier.
guest91 wrote:
And dont bring up religion facilitating violence if i say that i am a christian but i kill a man then i obyisly am not following my religion that is against violence.
Yes, let’s completely forget the Middle Ages, shall we? Wars, conflicts, massacres, and persecution in the name of religion have taken place countless times during history – whether you look at events centuries ago or even today. The violence in Northern Ireland, the Middle-East and Chechnya, are all fueled by religion to varying degrees. And let’s not forget the fact that colonialism in the late 1800’s and onward was justified by religious leaders and had a distinct Christian tone to it (e.g. that the colonizing countries were “civilizing” the barbarian peoples of Africa). The point is that while the various teachings of Jesus are certainly sensible, they weren’t new ideas thousands of years ago, and a number of things factor in to an individual’s morals.
guest91 wrote:
In reality almost everything people like you try to blame religion on is human error if my religion says do not kill then i kill and say it was for my religion then i did not follow my religion very well that being the person is retarded.
What? How is this relevant to what I was saying? Obviously if you’re a Catholic and you murder someone then it’s against the religion, that’s common knowledge. I already addressed the issue of morals, which you completely ignored.
guest91 wrote:
And dont talk about my english this isnt a paper for class no one cares
Yes, I’m sure that many people on this forum don’t care, but the fact that you type like the victim of cranial drill intrusion doesn’t help your argument.
yes lets ignore the wars in the middle ages. Why you ask well if they didnt happen you wouldent have happend I gess you would sacrifice your own exestance and the exestance of millions the founding of countries and technologies just so the wars in the middle ages didnt happen
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The Mangekyou Sharingan Rep: 47Joined: 01 Oct 2007 Posts: 10,291 OFFLINE | No, and anyone who does, and worships him is a complete moron.
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you mean you moron...???
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UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 29Joined: 06 May 2007 Posts: 3,128 OFFLINE | Itachi Uchiha wrote:
No, and anyone who does, and worships him is a complete moron.
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you mean you moron...???
Haha you are funny, yet a complete collosal moron. All because I believe that there is no God isntantly means I am a satan follower? Well, I am sorry Itachi, but you are one of the most fucking stupid religious followers I have seen on moviecodec. You claim that the atheists are ignorant, but I see why. There are assholes like you here. Lol, Itachi, you need some changing in your head.
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The Mangekyou Sharingan Rep: 47Joined: 01 Oct 2007 Posts: 10,291 OFFLINE | Haha you are funny, yet a complete collosal moron. All because I believe that there is no God isntantly means I am a satan follower? Well, I am sorry Itachi, but you are one of the most fucking stupid religious followers I have seen on moviecodec. You claim that the atheists are ignorant, but I see why. There are assholes like you here. Lol, Itachi, you need some changing in your head.
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It is me or you...??? since you blind to see His creations... and yet you deny everything...
materialist... I know people more than you... die in pain...
so yeah...
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“Great new ideas usually come from very small teams... don’t give up so easily." — John Kaster — | | | 23 Apr 2008 08:38 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 29Joined: 06 May 2007 Posts: 3,128 OFFLINE | Itachi Uchiha wrote:
Haha you are funny, yet a complete collosal moron. All because I believe that there is no God isntantly means I am a satan follower? Well, I am sorry Itachi, but you are one of the most fucking stupid religious followers I have seen on moviecodec. You claim that the atheists are ignorant, but I see why. There are assholes like you here. Lol, Itachi, you need some changing in your head.
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It is me or you...??? since you blind to see His creations... and yet you deny everything...
materialist... I know people more than you... die in pain...
so yeah...
Yet again, another pointless retarded post.
I hope you know the smartest people in the world don’t believe in God right? That is because they opened their mind and see the world around them as a world of proof and science, not a storybook that people call the bible, torah, qua ran, etc.
Die in pain? HAHAHAHAHA All because I don’t beleive in God means I will die painfully. You are three times dumber than I expected.
Ever since I stopped believing in God, I have been much happier, I hope some day you will see the truth.
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Regular Rep: 8Joined: 20 Mar 2008 Posts: 192 OFFLINE | guest91 wrote:
Coleslaw wrote:
guest91 wrote:
i didnt say it needed to be in one life if someone does not believe in something that is there buiseness im saying that the chances are there morals are from there parents chances are there parents do have a religion and obtained there morals from the religon and so on and so forth with the grandparents on down.
It’s a bird, it’s a plane, it’s... the point, whizzing over your head! Religion does not instill morals in people by default, and your claim that “chances are their parents had a religion and obtained their morals from the religion” – all the way down the line – is absurd. You’re making a sweeping generalization that makes no sense; the least you could do to support your argument would be to consult data from the U.S. Census Bureau on what percentage of people consider themselves to be religious, but even that wouldn’t work very well. I would argue this point further, but I would just be reiterating what I already said earlier.
guest91 wrote:
And dont bring up religion facilitating violence if i say that i am a christian but i kill a man then i obyisly am not following my religion that is against violence.
Yes, let’s completely forget the Middle Ages, shall we? Wars, conflicts, massacres, and persecution in the name of religion have taken place countless times during history – whether you look at events centuries ago or even today. The violence in Northern Ireland, the Middle-East and Chechnya, are all fueled by religion to varying degrees. And let’s not forget the fact that colonialism in the late 1800’s and onward was justified by religious leaders and had a distinct Christian tone to it (e.g. that the colonizing countries were “civilizing” the barbarian peoples of Africa). The point is that while the various teachings of Jesus are certainly sensible, they weren’t new ideas thousands of years ago, and a number of things factor in to an individual’s morals.
guest91 wrote:
In reality almost everything people like you try to blame religion on is human error if my religion says do not kill then i kill and say it was for my religion then i did not follow my religion very well that being the person is retarded.
What? How is this relevant to what I was saying? Obviously if you’re a Catholic and you murder someone then it’s against the religion, that’s common knowledge. I already addressed the issue of morals, which you completely ignored.
guest91 wrote:
And dont talk about my english this isnt a paper for class no one cares
Yes, I’m sure that many people on this forum don’t care, but the fact that you type like the victim of cranial drill intrusion doesn’t help your argument.
yes lets ignore the wars in the middle ages. Why you ask well if they didnt happen you wouldent have happend I gess you would sacrifice your own exestance and the exestance of millions the founding of countries and technologies just so the wars in the middle ages didnt happen
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA. I’m sorry, but there’s nothing else to be said here - you’re simply dense.
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We will set out with a fire in our hearts/When this darkness gives way to the dawn/In the light we are united as one/For the kingdom of heaven must be taken by storm! | | | 23 Apr 2008 08:41 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 29Joined: 06 May 2007 Posts: 3,128 OFFLINE | Lol, people like Itachi and guest91 make me hate religion more. I hope they know that.
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