petrofsky wrote:
Lol, people like Itachi and guest91 make me hate religion more. I hope they know that.
lol why b/c you cant make a good point
No, beacuse I CAN make a good point. It helps prove how hypocritical religion can be.
omg why is it people like you want to say religion is hypocritical a religion cannot be hypocritical only the people can be hypocritical. And like i said there is a diff between people that acctually follow a religion and people that just say they do. If my religion says not to kill and i kill then i am not following that religion and there for not appart of that religion
petrofsky wrote:
Lol, people like Itachi and guest91 make me hate religion more. I hope they know that.
lol why b/c you cant make a good point
No, beacuse I CAN make a good point. It helps prove how hypocritical religion can be.
omg why is it people like you want to say religion is hypocritical a religion cannot be hypocritical only the people can be hypocritical. And like i said there is a diff between people that acctually follow a religion and people that just say they do. If my religion says not to kill and i kill then i am not following that religion and there for not appart of that religion
And that is exactly what I meant. No wonder you are still pissed at me, you misinterpretted what I was saying, no offense. Religion is not the problem, it is the hypocrites that run and follow it.
guest91 wrote:
i didnt say it needed to be in one life if someone does not believe in something that is there buiseness im saying that the chances are there morals are from there parents chances are there parents do have a religion and obtained there morals from the religon and so on and so forth with the grandparents on down.
It’s a bird, it’s a plane, it’s... the point, whizzing over your head! Religion does not instill morals in people by default, and your claim that “chances are their parents had a religion and obtained their morals from the religion” – all the way down the line – is absurd. You’re making a sweeping generalization that makes no sense; the least you could do to support your argument would be to consult data from the U.S. Census Bureau on what percentage of people consider themselves to be religious, but even that wouldn’t work very well. I would argue this point further, but I would just be reiterating what I already said earlier.
guest91 wrote:
And dont bring up religion facilitating violence if i say that i am a christian but i kill a man then i obyisly am not following my religion that is against violence.
Yes, let’s completely forget the Middle Ages, shall we? Wars, conflicts, massacres, and persecution in the name of religion have taken place countless times during history – whether you look at events centuries ago or even today. The violence in Northern Ireland, the Middle-East and Chechnya, are all fueled by religion to varying degrees. And let’s not forget the fact that colonialism in the late 1800’s and onward was justified by religious leaders and had a distinct Christian tone to it (e.g. that the colonizing countries were “civilizing” the barbarian peoples of Africa). The point is that while the various teachings of Jesus are certainly sensible, they weren’t new ideas thousands of years ago, and a number of things factor in to an individual’s morals.
guest91 wrote:
In reality almost everything people like you try to blame religion on is human error if my religion says do not kill then i kill and say it was for my religion then i did not follow my religion very well that being the person is retarded.
What? How is this relevant to what I was saying? Obviously if you’re a Catholic and you murder someone then it’s against the religion, that’s common knowledge. I already addressed the issue of morals, which you completely ignored.
guest91 wrote:
And dont talk about my english this isnt a paper for class no one cares
Yes, I’m sure that many people on this forum don’t care, but the fact that you type like the victim of cranial drill intrusion doesn’t help your argument.
yes lets ignore the wars in the middle ages. Why you ask well if they didnt happen you wouldent have happend I gess you would sacrifice your own exestance and the exestance of millions the founding of countries and technologies just so the wars in the middle ages didnt happen
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA. I’m sorry, but there’s nothing else to be said here - you’re simply dense.
lol yeah b/c if you take away major events in history like wars nothing would change right
Yes, because the suffering and death of millions of people was just a natural progression in history and everybody should just forget about it. Funny. You seem to think that I would attempt to change the course of history if I had a time machine - which is absolutely false. Hypothetically, if one of my distant relatives was a victim of the Salem Which Trials, I might not exist. Does that make them any less wrong? Your argument is simply dumb. “What if, what if, what if?"
--- We will set out with a fire in our hearts/When this darkness gives way to the dawn/In the light we are united as one/For the kingdom of heaven must be taken by storm!
guest91 wrote:
i didnt say it needed to be in one life if someone does not believe in something that is there buiseness im saying that the chances are there morals are from there parents chances are there parents do have a religion and obtained there morals from the religon and so on and so forth with the grandparents on down.
It’s a bird, it’s a plane, it’s... the point, whizzing over your head! Religion does not instill morals in people by default, and your claim that “chances are their parents had a religion and obtained their morals from the religion” – all the way down the line – is absurd. You’re making a sweeping generalization that makes no sense; the least you could do to support your argument would be to consult data from the U.S. Census Bureau on what percentage of people consider themselves to be religious, but even that wouldn’t work very well. I would argue this point further, but I would just be reiterating what I already said earlier.
guest91 wrote:
And dont bring up religion facilitating violence if i say that i am a christian but i kill a man then i obyisly am not following my religion that is against violence.
Yes, let’s completely forget the Middle Ages, shall we? Wars, conflicts, massacres, and persecution in the name of religion have taken place countless times during history – whether you look at events centuries ago or even today. The violence in Northern Ireland, the Middle-East and Chechnya, are all fueled by religion to varying degrees. And let’s not forget the fact that colonialism in the late 1800’s and onward was justified by religious leaders and had a distinct Christian tone to it (e.g. that the colonizing countries were “civilizing” the barbarian peoples of Africa). The point is that while the various teachings of Jesus are certainly sensible, they weren’t new ideas thousands of years ago, and a number of things factor in to an individual’s morals.
guest91 wrote:
In reality almost everything people like you try to blame religion on is human error if my religion says do not kill then i kill and say it was for my religion then i did not follow my religion very well that being the person is retarded.
What? How is this relevant to what I was saying? Obviously if you’re a Catholic and you murder someone then it’s against the religion, that’s common knowledge. I already addressed the issue of morals, which you completely ignored.
guest91 wrote:
And dont talk about my english this isnt a paper for class no one cares
Yes, I’m sure that many people on this forum don’t care, but the fact that you type like the victim of cranial drill intrusion doesn’t help your argument.
yes lets ignore the wars in the middle ages. Why you ask well if they didnt happen you wouldent have happend I gess you would sacrifice your own exestance and the exestance of millions the founding of countries and technologies just so the wars in the middle ages didnt happen
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA. I’m sorry, but there’s nothing else to be said here - you’re simply dense.
lol yeah b/c if you take away major events in history like wars nothing would change right
Yes, because the suffering and death of millions of people was just a natural progression in history and everybody should just forget about it. Funny. You seem to think that I would attempt to change the course of history if I had a time machine - which is absolutely false. Hypothetically, if one of my distant relatives was a victim of the Salem Which Trials, I might not exist. Does that make them any less wrong? Your argument is simply dumb. “What if, what if, what if?“
lol yeah my argument is dumb but you agreed to it. And i didnt say what they did was not wrong hell it was a total mess but what im saying be frekin happy that it happend because your life is a result of it
That was sarcasm you dolt. Oh, and regarding your second point - you really just love talking about hypothetical situations that are completely irrelevant don’t you?
--- We will set out with a fire in our hearts/When this darkness gives way to the dawn/In the light we are united as one/For the kingdom of heaven must be taken by storm!
Coleslaw wrote:
That was sarcasm you dolt. Oh, and regarding your second point - you really just love talking about hypothetical situations that are completely irrelevant don’t you?
im happy that i have put you in a corner and now you have to come out with crap like that. Its a hypothetical situation but it is absoulty true and stop living in the past that you were not apart of 500 hundred year ago
So, according to you, the past should simply be forgotten - correct? I hope that you aren’t considering a profession as a history teacher. And yes, it is completely irrelevant, and I’d love to see you prove the truth of such an absurd statement. For all you know my ancestors may have lived in Japan, removed from the Inquisition and the religious wars of Europe. I’m arguing a point, and you counter by saying that “yeah, but if your relatives were killed in these events, then you wouldn’t exist!" It has nothing to do with the larger discussion.
EDIT: I guess you never heard the aphorism: “Those who do not remember history are condemned to repeat it."
--- We will set out with a fire in our hearts/When this darkness gives way to the dawn/In the light we are united as one/For the kingdom of heaven must be taken by storm!
Coleslaw wrote:
So, according to you, the past should simply be forgotten - correct? I hope that you aren’t considering a profession as a history teacher. And yes, it is completely irrelevant, and I’d love to see you prove the truth of such an absurd statement. For all you know my ancestors may have lived in Japan, removed from the Inquisition and the religious wars of Europe. I’m arguing a point, and you counter by saying that “yeah, but if your relatives were killed in these events, then you wouldn’t exist!" It has nothing to do with the larger discussion.
ummmm actualy it sort of is a proven fact that if something in history was changed then it would change the futer as well. And dont change my words i did not say dont study history or what not i said that you keep bringing up stuff that happend hudreds of years ago. And if your ancestors lived in jappan then they would be affected b/c America would be affected and America helped modernize Jappan in the late 1800’s
OBVIOUSLY I’M BRINGING UP STUFF THAT HAPPENED HUNDREDS OF YEARS AGO BECAUSE IT’S RELEVANT TO THE MODERN ERA. Congratulations, you couldn’t have possibly missed the point to a greater degree.
guest91 wrote:
And if your ancestors lived in jappan then they would be affected b/c America would be affected and America helped modernize Jappan in the late 1800’s
...I’m speechless. How this makes sense in your mind is beyond me. I see no point in refuting such absurdities, so you can carry on with your moronic arguments and tell yourself that you’ve won against the big bad atheist; I’m done with this conversation.
--- We will set out with a fire in our hearts/When this darkness gives way to the dawn/In the light we are united as one/For the kingdom of heaven must be taken by storm!
Coleslaw wrote:
OBVIOUSLY I’M BRINGING UP STUFF THAT HAPPENED HUNDREDS OF YEARS AGO BECAUSE IT’S RELEVANT TO THE MODERN ERA. Congratulations, you couldn’t have possibly missed the point to a greater degree.
guest91 wrote:
And if your ancestors lived in jappan then they would be affected b/c America would be affected and America helped modernize Jappan in the late 1800’s
...I’m speechless. How this makes sense in your mind is beyond me. I see no point in refuting such absurdities, so you can carry on with your moronic arguments and tell yourself that you’ve won against the big bad atheist; I’m done with this conversation.
I got your point and i also noticed that your point proves my point good job.
ummm yeah it makes sense because since America is affected by religion everything America has done is due in part by religion. Why did so many europeans settle in America for religious purposes and that goes back to what i was saying earlier about if something is taken out everything changes.
petrofsky wrote:
Dude, religion did not build America you idiot. America is effected by religion. Thar is why we have tons of racism and discrimination.
omg is that not what i freakin said America is effected by religion you idiot not one senc did i type america was built on religion. And stop with the its religions fualt we have racism crap since you seem to not care if everone with a religion dies. you do see that your half way contradicting yourself here right
petrofsky wrote:
Dude, religion did not build America you idiot. America is effected by religion. Thar is why we have tons of racism and discrimination.
omg is that not what i freakin said America is effected by religion you idiot not one senc did i type america was built on religion. And stop with the its religions fualt we have racism crap since you seem to not care if everone with a religion dies. you do see that your half way contradicting yourself here right
God I do not want to get into this again. Religion caused racism, and it is pretty much fact get over it. I am not contradicting myself, I am facing reality, something you have not done quite yet. Americans had religious people, but that does not mean the government was is religious. It is called the seperation of church and state. If religion did have control, there would be more holocausts and discrimination. All the racists and anti-semites/arbs etc. are all religious people. All non-religious people I know are completely accepting. Face the facts.
petrofsky wrote:
Dude, religion did not build America you idiot. America is effected by religion. Thar is why we have tons of racism and discrimination.
omg is that not what i freakin said America is effected by religion you idiot not one senc did i type america was built on religion. And stop with the its religions fualt we have racism crap since you seem to not care if everone with a religion dies. you do see that your half way contradicting yourself here right
God I do not want to get into this again. Religion caused racism, and it is pretty much fact get over it. I am not contradicting myself, I am facing reality, something you have not done quite yet. Americans had religious people, but that does not mean the government was is religious. It is called the seperation of church and state. If religion did have control, there would be more holocausts and discrimination. All the racists and anti-semites/arbs etc. are all religious people. All non-religious people I know are completely accepting. Face the facts.
when did i say that the gov was religious again you are making things up. And besides if a pres is a christian then his desicions have been affected by religion and ther for religion has affected America. All the non religious people you know are completely accepting well all the religious people i know are overly accepting stop getting people that say they have a religion with people that are accutaly religous mix up. And since you are not accepting others you again are contradicting your self face reality your ignorane and intolerance personaly i dont care what you believe in but you where attacking my beliefes and i am just standing up for them. you attacked my beliefe showing your intorerance and the whole every religious peroson can die your racist
Also, what the hell does half-way contradicting yourself mean? I dont think you can “half way contradict yourself”
And yes, I dont care if everyone with a religion dies. In fact, I don’t even care about the lives of nearly all humans because they live in ways that do not benefit our race. People believe that everybody is created equal, even though our history books prove the opposite. For example, I would not care if you died. Why? Because you will not face the facts that have happened in the past. The past still greatly effects us. The holocaust, should we forget about that even though nearly 2/3 of the Jewish population was killed? Should we forget about My Lai Massacre where the biggest contreversial American attack on Vietnamese villagers occured? No we should not forget about it because everything that happens in the past effects the present and future. Religion had its chance, but it did not work because of all the hypocrites that enter the religions.
petrofsky wrote:
Dude, religion did not build America you idiot. America is effected by religion. Thar is why we have tons of racism and discrimination.
omg is that not what i freakin said America is effected by religion you idiot not one senc did i type america was built on religion. And stop with the its religions fualt we have racism crap since you seem to not care if everone with a religion dies. you do see that your half way contradicting yourself here right
God I do not want to get into this again. Religion caused racism, and it is pretty much fact get over it. I am not contradicting myself, I am facing reality, something you have not done quite yet. Americans had religious people, but that does not mean the government was is religious. It is called the seperation of church and state. If religion did have control, there would be more holocausts and discrimination. All the racists and anti-semites/arbs etc. are all religious people. All non-religious people I know are completely accepting. Face the facts.
when did i say that the gov was religious again you are making things up. And besides if a pres is a christian then his desicions have been affected by religion and ther for religion has affected America. All the non religious people you know are completely accepting well all the religious people i know are overly accepting stop getting people that say they have a religion with people that are accutaly religous mix up. And since you are not accepting others you again are contradicting your self face reality your ignorane and intolerance personaly i dont care what you believe in but you where attacking my beliefes and i am just standing up for them. you attacked my beliefe showing your intorerance and the whole every religious peroson can die your racist
I am not making things up. I am following your posts. I could be misreading them because of your poor and uneducated spelling/grammar. Improve that then I can understand what you are saying better.
I am not attacking your beliefs. You were attacking mine. I stated my beliefs, then you wsaid “You better have been drunk when you said that”
Of course there are accepting religious people, but there are still tons of non-accepting ones, well more than the number of non-accepting atheists.
I am not ignorant. I am just facing the world and the past. That simple my friend. And looking at the past, I feel as if religion is making this world worse (and also racism is not the word you are looking for. Racism is towards a race, not religion)
I used to be Jewish, but after seeing all the problems religion has, it just made me sick, so I looked away from it. The world outside religion would be much better.
petrofsky wrote:
Also, what the hell does half-way contradicting yourself mean? I dont think you can “half way contradict yourself”
And yes, I dont care if everyone with a religion dies. In fact, I don’t even care about the lives of nearly all humans because they live in ways that do not benefit our race. People believe that everybody is created equal, even though our history books prove the opposite. For example, I would not care if you died. Why? Because you will not face the facts that have happened in the past. The past still greatly effects us. The holocaust, should we forget about that even though nearly 2/3 of the Jewish population was killed? Should we forget about My Lai Massacre where the biggest contreversial American attack on Vietnamese villagers occured? No we should not forget about it because everything that happens in the past effects the present and future. Religion had its chance, but it did not work because of all the hypocrites that enter the religions.
STOP CONTRADICTION YOURSELF again your doing it you say you dont care about even half the populaion dieing but then you bring up the holocost. You personaly should not care about this event. And can you not read what have i been saying this whole time do i really need to tell you i gess so THAT PAST EVENTS AFFECT US. And how are you benifiting our race. you spend you time on a teenagers forum site. And if you dont care if half the population dies you again are contradicting your self becase you obysly are not contributing to help them and by not helping them you are not acctualy contributing to help our race since they would be able to contribute if they were helped. But i gess you didnt think about that did you. I gess you think that if half the populaion dies it would somehow benifit our race cuzz that is how it works
and you can half way contradict yourself but i take that back you completly contradicted youself and you just keep proving that you yourself are racist,ignorant and intolerant but try and say well well religion well your just making athiust look really really bad i glad i know good athiusts because if you were the only athiust i had to go off of i dont think i would even argue with you so that you realize that you are saying religion is racist at the same time you are
petrofsky wrote:
Also, what the hell does half-way contradicting yourself mean? I dont think you can “half way contradict yourself”
And yes, I dont care if everyone with a religion dies. In fact, I don’t even care about the lives of nearly all humans because they live in ways that do not benefit our race. People believe that everybody is created equal, even though our history books prove the opposite. For example, I would not care if you died. Why? Because you will not face the facts that have happened in the past. The past still greatly effects us. The holocaust, should we forget about that even though nearly 2/3 of the Jewish population was killed? Should we forget about My Lai Massacre where the biggest contreversial American attack on Vietnamese villagers occured? No we should not forget about it because everything that happens in the past effects the present and future. Religion had its chance, but it did not work because of all the hypocrites that enter the religions.
STOP CONTRADICTION YOURSELF again your doing it you say you dont care about even half the populaion dieing but then you bring up the holocost. You personaly should not care about this event. And can you not read what have i been saying this whole time do i really need to tell you i gess so THAT PAST EVENTS AFFECT US. And how are you benifiting our race. you spend you time on a teenagers forum site. And if you dont care if half the population dies you again are contradicting your self becase you obysly are not contributing to help them and by not helping them you are not acctualy contributing to help our race since they would be able to contribute if they were helped. But i gess you didnt think about that did you. I gess you think that if half the populaion dies it would somehow benifit our race cuzz that is how it works
and you can half way contradict yourself but i take that back you completly contradicted youself and you just keep proving that you yourself are racist,ignorant and intolerant but try and say well well religion well your just making athiust look really really bad i glad i know good athiusts because if you were the only athiust i had to go off of i dont think i would even argue with you so that you realize that you are saying religion is racist at the same time you are
Congratulations, you completely missed my points once again. I do not care if the people die because they contradict themselves. I am not however. If everyone who is a hypocritical religious piece of shit were to die, I would not give two shits. But if something like the holocaust happened because of sheer ignorance, and an overall stupid idea then I would care. What Hitler did was persecute people for a stupid reason. I do not want a persecution of the hypocritical religious people to be in order personally, but if it happened, I would not really care since getting rid of them will stop many bad things in this world. And what the hell is a teenager like me going to do about the world? All I have to do is express my beliefs on what I believe the world is. Do you think I should go get a job with all the great philosophers? No I cant I am too young and require more education. (also, great job spelling “atheist” smartass) I am not an atheist for one you stupid fuck. I am a nihilist, which is a huge difference.
If it werent for asshole religious people I would still be religious today. I was Jewish, and went to a Catholic school for a good education? You know what I got there instead? Constant bashing of Jews being Christ killers, cheap demons, and people who will go to hell. My mother’s side of the family is Catholic, and everytime they saw me they would tell me I am going to hell for being a Jew. It is not me being ignorant, it is the world. I am just stating my ideas on what should be done about these assholes. And once again, I do not WANT it but I WOULD NOT BE SADDENED. Keep that in mind.
I have many friends of different religions and beliefs. I have christian friends, jewish friends, buddhist friends (spelling?) muslim friends etc. and I am in no way ignorant to them. I do have strong opinions about religion, but I never express them to my friends unless a conversation of that particular subject was to come up.
You are talking about me being ignorant, but look at you. You are bashing my own beliefs. I really dont think you are a bad guy at all. You are a person most religious people should be. If most were like you, smart and understanding people (well, you are at times) then I would not feel the way I feel.
petrofsky wrote:
Also, what the hell does half-way contradicting yourself mean? I dont think you can “half way contradict yourself”
And yes, I dont care if everyone with a religion dies. In fact, I don’t even care about the lives of nearly all humans because they live in ways that do not benefit our race. People believe that everybody is created equal, even though our history books prove the opposite. For example, I would not care if you died. Why? Because you will not face the facts that have happened in the past. The past still greatly effects us. The holocaust, should we forget about that even though nearly 2/3 of the Jewish population was killed? Should we forget about My Lai Massacre where the biggest contreversial American attack on Vietnamese villagers occured? No we should not forget about it because everything that happens in the past effects the present and future. Religion had its chance, but it did not work because of all the hypocrites that enter the religions.
STOP CONTRADICTION YOURSELF again your doing it you say you dont care about even half the populaion dieing but then you bring up the holocost. You personaly should not care about this event. And can you not read what have i been saying this whole time do i really need to tell you i gess so THAT PAST EVENTS AFFECT US. And how are you benifiting our race. you spend you time on a teenagers forum site. And if you dont care if half the population dies you again are contradicting your self becase you obysly are not contributing to help them and by not helping them you are not acctualy contributing to help our race since they would be able to contribute if they were helped. But i gess you didnt think about that did you. I gess you think that if half the populaion dies it would somehow benifit our race cuzz that is how it works
and you can half way contradict yourself but i take that back you completly contradicted youself and you just keep proving that you yourself are racist,ignorant and intolerant but try and say well well religion well your just making athiust look really really bad i glad i know good athiusts because if you were the only athiust i had to go off of i dont think i would even argue with you so that you realize that you are saying religion is racist at the same time you are
Congratulations, you completely missed my points once again. I do not care if the people die because they contradict themselves. I am not however. If everyone who is a hypocritical religious piece of shit were to die, I would not give two shits. But if something like the holocaust happened because of sheer ignorance, and an overall stupid idea then I would care. What Hitler did was persecute people for a stupid reason. I do not want a persecution of the hypocritical religious people to be in order personally, but if it happened, I would not really care since getting rid of them will stop many bad things in this world. And what the hell is a teenager like me going to do about the world? All I have to do is express my beliefs on what I believe the world is. Do you think I should go get a job with all the great philosophers? No I cant I am too young and require more education. (also, great job spelling “atheist” smartass) I am not an atheist for one you stupid fuck. I am a nihilist, which is a huge difference.
If it werent for asshole religious people I would still be religious today. I was Jewish, and went to a Catholic school for a good education? You know what I got there instead? Constant bashing of Jews being Christ killers, cheap demons, and people who will go to hell. My mother’s side of the family is Catholic, and everytime they saw me they would tell me I am going to hell for being a Jew. It is not me being ignorant, it is the world. I am just stating my ideas on what should be done about these assholes. And once again, I do not WANT it but I WOULD NOT BE SADDENED. Keep that in mind.
I have many friends of different religions and beliefs. I have christian friends, jewish friends, buddhist friends (spelling?) muslim friends etc. and I am in no way ignorant to them. I do have strong opinions about religion, but I never express them to my friends unless a conversation of that particular subject was to come up.
You are talking about me being ignorant, but look at you. You are bashing my own beliefs. I really dont think you are a bad guy at all. You are a person most religious people should be. If most were like you, smart and understanding people (well, you are at times) then I would not feel the way I feel.
well i gess you make good points in this one since i do not know you i did not know that had happend to you i think you mabe should have eventualy stood up to them but i have never been put into a situation like that with constant bashing over religious subjects from family and school this can deff change a person perspective. But at least you can be friends with people that have religion
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