| 19 Apr 2008 08:55 pm |
you are smart Rep: 48  Joined: 03 Feb 2006 Posts: 16,593 OFFLINE | Green_Ninja wrote:
If we outlawed guns, than the only people that would have them, would be the ones doing it illegally..
Hence bad people having guns, good people without protection.
good logic is gooood ---
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Addict (beyond 1337) Rep: 40  Joined: 16 Mar 2007 Posts: 11,913 OFFLINE | .R.E.A.L.l.T.Y. wrote:
Guns dont solve 'problems'." Guns solve gun problems.“
How true.
If some one did come at you with a machette then there is a good chance that you may be able to run of. Same with a bow and arrow. You may be able to move out the way. With a gun there is a lot less chance to do that.
Green_Ninja wrote:
If we outlawed guns, than the only people that would have them, would be the ones doing it illegally..
Hence bad people having guns, good people without protection.
Two wrongs do not make a right.
Am not saying that you don’t have a few well trained police officer’s to go out from time to time to deal with a crazy man that has someone hostage in a house. But for it to be legal that every man and women is allowed a gun dose seem madness to me.
Atresac wrote:
Also, the main reason the right to bare arms is in the US constitution is for the event of a corrupt government. When the British officers were in the colonies, they would go into their houses, use their utilities, search without reason, and on pleanty of occasions shoot the colonists. The right was put there to prevent such a thing from happening again, or to at least allow people to protect themselves if it did.
YES! This is the main reason why you are all so passionate about your guns over there. Its ingrained into your society to a point that you think its your right to own one. Well it is your right over there. That’s the problem. Cos its so common for you to own one and there are so many about its just to easy to get a hold of one when your on that bad day. You just fall out with the GF and cos she been screwing your mate or something. Over here you go over to his house and you kick the shit out of him in tell someone stops you. Over there you reach for that gun you got locked up somewhere and you go shot him and maybe her to. Its just to fast of a thing to do. Over here we do not have has many ppl getting killed. I actually live right next door to the gun capital of England. (Nottingham) If you search for it. I am sure there well be info on it.
That what you speak of Atresac was hundreds of years ago and is not likely to happen again. I think you make to much of the right to own a gun. If less ppl where to have them they would be less killings. You only have to look at countries like I live in to see that. I can not remember a time when someone went into a school over hear and shot dead half the kids and teachers there. That to my knowledge has never happened.
You sing your right to own a gun and fight for your freedom to do that. It is the right of every human on the plant to live. Why ever you make owning a gun into a right of freedom it well be your neighbor, sister and all that you love that are getting killed by the right that you lot over there seem to fright so hard to defend. | | | 20 Apr 2008 04:01 am |
OWNED BY SA-X Rep: 64  Joined: 24 Apr 2007 Posts: 13,669 OFFLINE | pluto wrote:
Two wrongs do not make a right.
Am not saying that you don’t have a few well trained police officer’s to go out from time to time to deal with a crazy man that has someone hostage in a house. But for it to be legal that every man and women is allowed a gun dose seem madness to me.
Well, try to think of it like this.
Let’s say we outlawed guns, except for those few well trained police officers.
So there’s no way any normal citizen to get one, except those who would know how to do it illegally.
Who would know how to do this? Everyone who’s used to getting them illegally.
So now, you’ve got everyone in the country gunless, except criminals and police officers.
Alright, so one of these criminals decides to rob a liquor store. So they go to the store, pull out the gun and point it at the cashier. What does the cashier do? Nothing. Why? because he has no way to protect himself. Now lets say that cashier happened to do something wrong to anger the man. The man shoots him. He’s dead now. So not only is he dead, but the man will most likely never be found, because the gun couldn’t have been registered. So now, you also have no way to tell who did it. Just a dead guy. What now? ---
 | | | 20 Apr 2008 04:11 am |
Addict (beyond 1337) Rep: 40  Joined: 16 Mar 2007 Posts: 11,913 OFFLINE | Green_Ninja wrote:
pluto wrote:
Two wrongs do not make a right.
Am not saying that you don’t have a few well trained police officer’s to go out from time to time to deal with a crazy man that has someone hostage in a house. But for it to be legal that every man and women is allowed a gun dose seem madness to me.
Well, try to think of it like this.
Let’s say we outlawed guns, except for those few well trained police officers.
So there’s no way any normal citizen to get one, except those who would know how to do it illegally.
Who would know how to do this? Everyone who’s used to getting them illegally.
So now, you’ve got everyone in the country gunless, except criminals and police officers.
Alright, so one of these criminals decides to rob a liquor store. So they go to the store, pull out the gun and point it at the cashier. What does the cashier do? Nothing. Why? because he has no way to protect himself. Now lets say that cashier happened to do something wrong to anger the man. The man shoots him. He’s dead now. So not only is he dead, but the man will most likely never be found, because the gun couldn’t have been registered. So now, you also have no way to tell who did it. Just a dead guy. What now?
Over here that is exactly how it is. The cashier would have a lot moor chance of living if he just did what he was told. If he brings a gun out to to robber then the rober is likely to pull the trigger and shot him. If he just dose nothing and lets hes shop be robed he can then later give a description of things and there is moor chance that he well be court.
How dose it make it better that the cashier owns a gun? He dose not know that the man that just walked fro he door is going to pull a gun out on him. Hents he dose not have enough time to put his hands on hes gun. It is a proven fact that if in a robbery when you do has your toiled by the rober that less ppl get hurt. OK so the chances are that the rober gets away with it. Better that then someones dad not being here any moor. | | | 20 Apr 2008 04:18 am |
OWNED BY SA-X Rep: 64  Joined: 24 Apr 2007 Posts: 13,669 OFFLINE | pluto wrote:
Green_Ninja wrote:
pluto wrote:
Two wrongs do not make a right.
Am not saying that you don’t have a few well trained police officer’s to go out from time to time to deal with a crazy man that has someone hostage in a house. But for it to be legal that every man and women is allowed a gun dose seem madness to me.
Well, try to think of it like this.
Let’s say we outlawed guns, except for those few well trained police officers.
So there’s no way any normal citizen to get one, except those who would know how to do it illegally.
Who would know how to do this? Everyone who’s used to getting them illegally.
So now, you’ve got everyone in the country gunless, except criminals and police officers.
Alright, so one of these criminals decides to rob a liquor store. So they go to the store, pull out the gun and point it at the cashier. What does the cashier do? Nothing. Why? because he has no way to protect himself. Now lets say that cashier happened to do something wrong to anger the man. The man shoots him. He’s dead now. So not only is he dead, but the man will most likely never be found, because the gun couldn’t have been registered. So now, you also have no way to tell who did it. Just a dead guy. What now?
Over here that is exactly how it is. The cashier would have a lot moor chance of living if he just did what he was told. If he brings a gun out to to robber then the rober is likely to pull the trigger and shot him. If he just dose nothing and lets hes shop be robed he can then later give a description of things and there is moor chance that he well be court.
How dose it make it better that the cashier owns a gun? He dose not know that the man that just walked fro he door is going to pull a gun out on him. Hents he dose not have enough time to put his hands on hes gun. It is a proven fact that if in a robbery when you do has your toiled by the rober that less ppl get hurt. OK so the chances are that the rober gets away with it. Better that then someones dad not being here any moor.
Idk how it is over there, but alot of Liquor stores own guns for the simple reason that if their store is robbed, It’s a way to protect themselves. There’s always going to be the chance that the robber will shoot the man, even if there is no gun and he does what he’s told, but atleast he’ll have some way to defend himself AND his store, since he most likely won’t get his money back. ---
 | | | 20 Apr 2008 04:27 am |
Addict (beyond 1337) Rep: 40  Joined: 16 Mar 2007 Posts: 11,913 OFFLINE | Green_Ninja wrote:
pluto wrote:
Green_Ninja wrote:
pluto wrote:
Two wrongs do not make a right.
Am not saying that you don’t have a few well trained police officer’s to go out from time to time to deal with a crazy man that has someone hostage in a house. But for it to be legal that every man and women is allowed a gun dose seem madness to me.
Well, try to think of it like this.
Let’s say we outlawed guns, except for those few well trained police officers.
So there’s no way any normal citizen to get one, except those who would know how to do it illegally.
Who would know how to do this? Everyone who’s used to getting them illegally.
So now, you’ve got everyone in the country gunless, except criminals and police officers.
Alright, so one of these criminals decides to rob a liquor store. So they go to the store, pull out the gun and point it at the cashier. What does the cashier do? Nothing. Why? because he has no way to protect himself. Now lets say that cashier happened to do something wrong to anger the man. The man shoots him. He’s dead now. So not only is he dead, but the man will most likely never be found, because the gun couldn’t have been registered. So now, you also have no way to tell who did it. Just a dead guy. What now?
Over here that is exactly how it is. The cashier would have a lot moor chance of living if he just did what he was told. If he brings a gun out to to robber then the rober is likely to pull the trigger and shot him. If he just dose nothing and lets hes shop be robed he can then later give a description of things and there is moor chance that he well be court.
How dose it make it better that the cashier owns a gun? He dose not know that the man that just walked fro he door is going to pull a gun out on him. Hents he dose not have enough time to put his hands on hes gun. It is a proven fact that if in a robbery when you do has your toiled by the rober that less ppl get hurt. OK so the chances are that the rober gets away with it. Better that then someones dad not being here any moor.
Idk how it is over there, but alot of Liquor stores own guns for the simple reason that if their store is robbed, It’s a way to protect themselves. There’s always going to be the chance that the robber will shoot the man, even if there is no gun and he does what he’s told, but atleast he’ll have some way to defend himself AND his store, since he most likely won’t get his money back.
Yea I hear what your saying. That you have a right to defend your self and your livelihood. And I agree that you do and should have that right. Am just saying that if you bring out your own gun that there is moor of a chance that you well get shot. The robber normally just wants to get in and out as quickly as possible with out hurting anyone. You put your own gun in his face and hes going to panic and problay shot you. And I would say he would be better prepared for the event then the cashier is.
I know that most ppl could get there hands on them even if they where illegal also. But its illegal to take cocaine but lots of ppl do it and if you wonted any you would not have a problem in getting it. Should we make it legal just because of that?
I am having fun here but I have to be going. Later GN  | | | 20 Apr 2008 04:32 am |
OWNED BY SA-X Rep: 64  Joined: 24 Apr 2007 Posts: 13,669 OFFLINE | Byez. ---
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