| 27 Apr 2008 02:15 pm |
Buster Sword Guest | Nahhh Weiss is never mentioned to be weaker only that he is called out for extreamly important mission’s and that Gen was to become his “brother” their is no solid proof Gen>Weiss but their is comformation that Seph and Gen are equal aside from J-cell’s (witch Weiss wasnt given either but as you have seen he really dousent need them) so Weiss is most likely stronger than Gen untill he rechived J-Cell’s so it’s anyone’s guess really but i can’t prove anything beside’s in DoC Online (witch happened before DoC AC and VII) Weiss ability far outstrip’s Genesis and CC Seph but their is something of a 7yr lapse i belive between the two game’s CC and DoC Online but it’s just to show more on DG.
He was never mantioned to be on their level, meaning he’s weaker, everyone knows this except you dude. There is proof that Genesis is > Weiss, he’s equal to base Sephiroth who is greater than Weiss. It doesn’t matter what what Weiss has done, they are stated stronger, so they are. Weiss has beaten Azul and Rosso like they were a bitch, Cloud has soloed Sephiroth.
guess it’s kinda gathered from the fact The restrictor’s fear Weiss when they beat the best in Solider in 1 night and he could stop blow’s from a tranceformed Azul in strenth and the speed of 3 Russo plus he is given the title of Emporer of all Solider so it’s a given he is incredibly powerful and from said feat’s is stronger than Gen CC.
You are assuming that even Zack is a regualr 1st Class WHEN HE ISN’T. Sephiroth is way above Zack. Sephiroth was btich slapping Behemoths in BC for fun I hear. It doesn’t amtter what they have done, if commentary says otherwise, then commentary is fact.
Now Seph’s Barrior i dont belive ive seen or the Ve-Lifestream absorb energy...or Seph use Intangibiliy against Cloud IN VII or AC lol so what exactly douse he use?
Forget the Northern Crater Barrier?
SE have stated about thr negative lifestream.
It doesn’t matter if Sephiroth didn’t use it against Cloud, he HAS the ability, and that’s that.
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 | | 02 May 2008 05:03 pm |
Darkness 2008 Guest | hmmm the problem here is Cloud has beaten Sephiroth but in truth cannot hold a candle to him in any department
Weiss CAN and has owned Russo and Azul in skill and power full stop
Chaos CAN beat Weiss in skill and power full stop
the same cannot be applied to Cloud no matter how you see it, he cannot beat Sephiroth in skill or power but with an extreamly questionable Limit Break that Sephiroth wasnt to bothered about being hit buy...plus i kinda get the feeling Sephiroth wasnt giveing his all in that fight to be honest lol
Now i hear Russo and Cloud are on par edge going to Cloud but Weiss beat her most powerful Form and Azul’s witch Cloud dident (with one arm) and that is before becomeing Omega Weiss correct
well then it seem’s to me that anyone could see Weiss could Ghost Cloud in an instant and Chaos beat that bitch (that’s pretty impressive)
now if Seph IS stronger than that guy then he was sure as hell haveing a cake walk V Cloud for sure ^^, but in answer to the actual debate id say team 2 win’s
| | | 02 May 2008 06:00 pm |
Buster Sword Guest | hmmm the problem here is Cloud has beaten Sephiroth but in truth cannot hold a candle to him in any department
Weiss CAN and has owned Russo and Azul in skill and power full stop
Chaos CAN beat Weiss in skill and power full stop
the same cannot be applied to Cloud no matter how you see it, he cannot beat Sephiroth in skill or power but with an extreamly questionable Limit Break that Sephiroth wasnt to bothered about being hit buy...plus i kinda get the feeling Sephiroth wasnt giveing his all in that fight to be honest lol
Cloud has betean Sephiroth more than once, so it can be applied. Sephiroth wasn’t bothered about Omnislash? Are you sure mate? because it was pretty much owning his ass. Sephiroth was trying, he just didn’t use other abilities, he used direct not indirect attacks.
Now i hear Russo and Cloud are on par edge going to Cloud but Weiss beat her most powerful Form and Azul’s witch Cloud dident (with one arm) and that is before becomeing Omega Weiss correct
Compilation Ultimania suggests that Cloud actually owned her ass, there is noway that Rosso is equal to Cloud. Cloud didn’t beat Azul and Rosso? You know he did beat Loz and Yazoo whilst in the air upside down with one hand each, and lets not forget Sephiroth and Bahamut.
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| | | 02 May 2008 06:05 pm |
Buster Sword Guest | hmmm the problem here is Cloud has beaten Sephiroth but in truth cannot hold a candle to him in any department
Weiss CAN and has owned Russo and Azul in skill and power full stop
Chaos CAN beat Weiss in skill and power full stop
the same cannot be applied to Cloud no matter how you see it, he cannot beat Sephiroth in skill or power but with an extreamly questionable Limit Break that Sephiroth wasnt to bothered about being hit buy...plus i kinda get the feeling Sephiroth wasnt giveing his all in that fight to be honest lol
Cloud has betean Sephiroth more than once, so it can be applied. How is Omnislash questionable? Just because nobody else has it to pwn Sephiroth, it’s questionable? Sephiroth wasn’t bothered about Omnislash? Are you sure mate? because it was pretty much owning his ass. Sephiroth was trying, he just didn’t use other abilities, he used direct not indirect attacks.
Now i hear Russo and Cloud are on par edge going to Cloud but Weiss beat her most powerful Form and Azul’s witch Cloud dident (with one arm) and that is before becomeing Omega Weiss correct
Compilation Ultimania suggests that Cloud actually owned her ass, there is noway that Rosso is equal to Cloud. Cloud didn’t beat Azul and Rosso? You know he did beat Loz and Yazoo whilst in the air upside down with one hand each, and lets not forget Sephiroth and Bahamut.
well then it seem’s to me that anyone could see Weiss could Ghost Cloud in an instant and Chaos beat that bitch (that’s pretty impressive)
He solos someone who would rape both of them, now which do you think is more impressive?
now if Seph IS stronger than that guy then he was sure as hell haveing a cake walk V Cloud for sure ^^, but in answer to the actual debate id say team 2 win’s
Under-estimation of Cloud on your part, just because Sephiroth stomps everybody in VII, doesn’t mean Cloud is some pussy who’d get insta pwned by him, Cloud stomps Sephiroth not becaus he’s anywhere near his strength, but because of his skill, you don’t bitch slap the most powerful character 3 times by accident, now Chaos and Weiss are less powerful than Sephiroth, which actually greaters Cloud’s chances on wining.
| | | 02 May 2008 07:36 pm |
Darkness 2008 Guest | LMAO without omnislash tho Cloud was nothing to Sephiroth and couldent have possibly won without it, it’s not skill it’s a cheap ass ability with no reasoning to back up how it beat Sephiroth (by witch i mean Sephiroth outclassed Cloud in every way so were did he get the speed to somehow make him a sitting duck)?
Ill tell you Enix couldent find a plauseable answer to how Cloud could win so he did a Superman and pulled an Omnislash V5 out his ass and Auto won without question (even considering Seph’s immence backround power’s and ability’s over Cloud’s) Cloud realisticaly should have been defeated all respect in toe but hey it’s fantasy so who give’s a fuck plus the good guy ALWAY’S wins in an overlaberate and prodictable manner.
In an actual battle Sephiroth is leauge’s over Cloud no question about it as you say he had not used all of his ability witch mean’s he held back regardless meaning he dident go all out, this is not the same as beating Omega Weiss the way Chaos did he beat Weiss on equal term’s he dident pull an insta pwn button out his ass (basicaly anyone can argue Omnislash can pwn all but when i see Cloud move as fast as Chaos or Weiss did during their battle i remain unconvinced as they move naturaly at those speeds and Cloud dousent just go spouting Omnipwn everytime he fight’s lol)
Fact is Cloud bar Omnislash is an average warrior i did read the UO were it say’s he fought of Russo Feircely now that imply’s Cloud tried against her with some degree of effort might i add regardless if he was the victor or not yet Vinnie in base form maneges this same feat (most likely trying aswell) but Chaos Instapwn’s her Weiss Instapwn’s her (in her most powerful form AND Azul in his most powerful state before he became Omega Vice witch guess who owned...yes Chaos) so their is a huge gap between Chaos Weiss and Cloud my man you must see it Omnislash is blinding you to put Cloud on par with these guy’s for the simple reason Sephiroth AC never used his full ability
Let’s say Sephiroth was the Omega supreamer of FFVII (he isn’t as CC showed us Angeal was actually better than Sephiroth) Even if Sephiroth is ubove all that’s a massive area to fill, with all his ability he could beat Cloud relatively easy that’s all so Cloud beating him without useing it dousent place Cloud as 2nd ranked FFVII charicter only he got lucky if anything REALLY lucky!
in my eye’s Genesis Angeal Weiss Chaos Restrictor and other’s give Sephiroth a much better fight than Cloud did as their ability bar Limit Break’s is alot higher.
Hope that set everything straight for you bud as it’s easy to think Cloud is better than he is by saying hey he beat Sephiroth 3 time’s and assume it (but really he tossed him Injured into the reactor wall and he fell to his fate no fight, he had a team wear Sephiroth down then faced him and instantly used Omnislash to finish him, wait till the new FFVII to verify that lol, and in AC nuff said really Seph dident give his A Game).
| | | 03 May 2008 09:15 am |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 14  Joined: 25 Oct 2007 Posts: 3,449 OFFLINE | The way i see it is Omnislash being a limit break surpasses Cloud’s limit’s in the area of speed and he caught Sephiroth of guard, but if Seph is really the best he should and could move faster than Cloud could ever dream and if he is faster and stronger than Weiss Chaos Azul and Co as Buster boy keep’s saying then Sephiroth certainly wasnt going all out against Cloud.
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“It is better to die on your feet like a man, than to live life on your knee’s like a fucking dog" | | | 04 May 2008 12:44 am |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 9Joined: 07 Mar 2008 Posts: 1,401 OFFLINE | Kyle Knight wrote:
The way i see it is Omnislash being a limit break surpasses Cloud’s limit’s in the area of speed and he caught Sephiroth of guard, but if Seph is really the best he should and could move faster than Cloud could ever dream and if he is faster and stronger than Weiss Chaos Azul and Co as Buster boy keep’s saying then Sephiroth certainly wasnt going all out against Cloud.
Sephiroth WAS going all out, not in the sence of useing all his powers but in the sence he did use all of his strength,Speed,etc. Cloud probably did catch Sephiroth off guard. Also the creators said Sephiroth was the strongest in the FF7 universe, how can you argue against them? If the creators said Sephiroth could destroy a galaxy, then Sephiroth could destroy the galaxy. Just don’t question the creators when it comes to THEIR character.
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A level beyond omnipotence... | | | 04 May 2008 06:27 am |
Wannabe Rep: 0 Joined: 20 Apr 2008 Posts: 86 OFFLINE | this is one hell of a fight but im not shower who would win
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 | | | 05 May 2008 06:55 am |
Buster Sword Guest | LMAO without omnislash tho Cloud was nothing to Sephiroth and couldent have possibly won without it, it’s not skill it’s a cheap ass ability with no reasoning to back up how it beat Sephiroth (by witch i mean Sephiroth outclassed Cloud in every way so were did he get the speed to somehow make him a sitting duck)?
LMAO is that why Sephiroth has to wear him out before beating his ass down? Where’s the insta-pwn? Because I sure didn’t see one. I know Cloud can’t beat Sephiroth in AC, he shouldn’t have, BUT HE DID, and it’s not the first time either. Omnislash is not skill? I don’t mind if you dislike Cloud or whatever, but calling Omnislash a cheap tech is pretty lame dude. With no reasoning to how it beat Sephiorth? Other than the fact it’s kicked his ass twice. Sephiroth didn’t outclass Cloud in everway, if he did, he wouldn’t be dead.
Ill tell you Enix couldent find a plauseable answer to how Cloud could win so he did a Superman and pulled an Omnislash V5 out his ass and Auto won without question (even considering Seph’s immence backround power’s and ability’s over Cloud’s) Cloud realisticaly should have been defeated all respect in toe but hey it’s fantasy so who give’s a fuck plus the good guy ALWAY’S wins in an overlaberate and prodictable manner.
Maybe this is just you that cannot accept that Cloud has the power to pwn anyone with Omnislash, SE couldn’t find a plausable asnwer for Cloud wining? Do you work for them or something, make notes from Kitase himself? Did he tell you this? Oh you are using the good guy thing? WELL DUH come on man, it’s not the why he wins, it’s the HOW. Sephiroth is better than Cloud, that does not mean insta pwn in a physical battle.
In an actual battle Sephiroth is leauge’s over Cloud no question about it as you say he had not used all of his ability witch mean’s he held back regardless meaning he dident go all out, this is not the same as beating Omega Weiss the way Chaos did he beat Weiss on equal term’s he dident pull an insta pwn button out his ass (basicaly anyone can argue Omnislash can pwn all but when i see Cloud move as fast as Chaos or Weiss did during their battle i remain unconvinced as they move naturaly at those speeds and Cloud dousent just go spouting Omnipwn everytime he fight’s lol)
We only know Sephiroth is the strongest, you don’t know how much more he is above Cloud, just the fact that he is. Nope see this is different, Sephiroth chose direct fighting, in which he DIDN’T hold back. Actually Sephiroth and Cloud were on equal footing until Cloud got fatigued, and THAT is when Sephiroth would rape. It doesn’t matter if Cloud pulls a deus ex machina, the fact is he can, and he’s done it more than once, it’s his way of beating people more powerful than him. The Chaos and Omega Weiss fight is biased because those two were actually more or less equal, Cloud and Sephiroth weren’t. Cloud doesn’t have to be as fast as Chaos to beat him, he did fight Loz AND Sephiroth (Sephiroth being faster than Chaos) dodged point blanker AND has dodged Bolt (which is pretty much lightning) his fighting skill is what makes him hard to beat, not necessarily how strong he is.
Fact is Cloud bar Omnislash is an average warrior i did read the UO were it say’s he fought of Russo Feircely now that imply’s Cloud tried against her with some degree of effort might i add regardless if he was the victor or not yet Vinnie in base form maneges this same feat (most likely trying aswell) but Chaos Instapwn’s her Weiss Instapwn’s her (in her most powerful form AND Azul in his most powerful state before he became Omega Vice witch guess who owned...yes Chaos) so their is a huge gap between Chaos Weiss and Cloud my man you must see it Omnislash is blinding you to put Cloud on par with these guy’s for the simple reason Sephiroth AC never used his full ability
Average fighter? LMAO I guess Sephiorth is below average then as he just seems to get beat by this guy ever time, Cloud is way above average. And actually the compialtaion ultimania actually said he 'fights her OFF, ferociously' meaning he didnt go easy on her. And the effort thing? It doesn’t matter who Cloud fights, he’s going to try, so that means nothing, Cloud isn’t the type to fool around, ever wonder why Sephiroth died so quickly? Cloud did beat her, what do you think fighting someone off means? Oh Yeah Vincent beat her with materia etc...when Vincent has beaten Sephiroth 3 times, then you can compare him to Cloud. Base Sephiroth is greater than Base Weiss, you point? Cloud has soloed VII Sephiroth who is >>>> Base Sephiroth. So my logic still stands. Nope I’m not blinded by omnislash at all, Chaos and Omega Weiss can only resort to physical force, because they don’t have spiritual abilites like Sephiroth, Sephiroth CHOSE physical force and worked his ass and eventually beat Cloud, it would be not different for Chaos and Omega Weiss, but for that fact that these two are weaker than Sephiroth to begin with, making it eaasier for Cloud.
Let’s say Sephiroth was the Omega supreamer of FFVII (he isn’t as CC showed us Angeal was actually better than Sephiroth) Even if Sephiroth is ubove all that’s a massive area to fill, with all his ability he could beat Cloud relatively easy that’s all so Cloud beating him without useing it dousent place Cloud as 2nd ranked FFVII charicter only he got lucky if anything REALLY lucky!
The bolded bit SE was say that’s bullshit, as the only person equal to Sephiroth is GENESIS. CC Sephiroth is less powerful than AC Cloud, Cloud would have to still fight his hardest but he can still beat him, simply because he’s beaten 2 other MORE POWERFUL forms. Cloud isn’t 2nd ranked, he was never in SOLDIER. He’s above ANY 1st Class in AC, you forget Avalanche were beating the shit out of every Class in Midgar.
in my eye’s Genesis Angeal Weiss Chaos Restrictor and other’s give Sephiroth a much better fight than Cloud did as their ability bar Limit Break’s is alot higher.
Angeal fought CC Sephiroth, you know the WEAKEST ONE, and Sephiroth still pretty much blew him away, with Genesis was actually get his ass kicked late on, but Genesis was the only one equal to Sephiroth at the time. What do you mean give a much better fight than Cloud did? Chaos and co DIDN’T fight Sephiroth. Cloud’s reflexes makes up for his lack of speed, and his skill is better than Chaos, don’t argue that one dude.
Hope that set everything straight for you bud as it’s easy to think Cloud is better than he is by saying hey he beat Sephiroth 3 time’s and assume it (but really he tossed him Injured into the reactor wall and he fell to his fate no fight, he had a team wear Sephiroth down then faced him and instantly used Omnislash to finish him, wait till the new FFVII to verify that lol, and in AC nuff said really Seph dident give his A Game).
I never said Cloud was better, I said he can beat people more powerful than him, and that’s why he can beat Chaos and Weiss, because he’s beaten the best. You don’t know the circumstance of the fight in VII, and even if he did use it instantly, then there’s no hope for Chaos then, I’m pretty sure SE said they were fighting a little before Cloud won. No you just think because Sephiroth didn’t use other powers he wasn’t trying, which is silly to say so.
@ Kyle, Sephiroths reflexes has nothing to do with how fast HE can travel.
And Chibi sums that up well cheers.
| | | 05 May 2008 11:32 am |
Wannabe Rep: 0Joined: 20 Apr 2008 Posts: 86 OFFLINE | ok i had a think and i have to give it to team 2
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| | | 05 May 2008 11:41 am |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 3 Joined: 06 Jun 2007 Posts: 1,203 OFFLINE | come on team 1 has this in the bag
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UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 9Joined: 07 Mar 2008 Posts: 1,401 OFFLINE | Yeah Sephiroth seems to outright teleport in the movie at times. I would say Sephiroth’s reflexes are on par if not better than Cloud’s, who managed to dodge bolt(Pretty much lightning) So if anything Sephiroth has lightning fast reflexes.
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A level beyond omnipotence... | | | 05 May 2008 03:31 pm |
guest91 Guest | Danta, Nero and Virgil would own. Nero would use his arm to crush or smash them. And Danta is also super fast just like sephiroth and also has incredible strength and Cant really be killed by swords or guns as shown in the cut seens
| | | 05 May 2008 03:53 pm |
Darkness 2008 Guest | Ahh finaly someone who can debate woorth a dam, it’s been sometime since ive found a debate worth sinking my teeth into.
Cloud is not hopelessly unskilled it’s just in comparison to Sephiroth he would seem so.
Now SE say Sephiroth is the best undeniable but he like everyone else can be beaten and like reality this work’s for Cloud to he can be beaten is that fair enough? nowin this battle of VII i alway’s put them on an equal feild were good bad it dousent matter i just look at who is better and who has the most chance of winning due to these fact’s.
Ill alway’s say Sephiroth ALL out would punish Cloud terribly and win if left in realistic battle, but the likelyhood of that happening in FF is practicaly 0 due to the good guy factor and Omnislash.
Now the problem i find with the Omnislash is it was never stated what it is bar a limit break (surpassing Limit’s) no mention of how it’s able to beat Sephiroth who is more skilled and faster than Cloud is it just dousent make sence really douse it?
As for the obviouse fact of Sephiroth’s ability being better than Cloud’s i find he did hold back in AC because he is ment to be faster than Chaos Weiss and everyone else in FFVII meaning he dident use all his power as he would be stronger than Azul and Faster than Omega Weiss correct.
But the way ive worked it out so far is this:
CC Sephiroth CC Genesis are on par Angeal was better than Genesis (Hollander even admit’s this and he created Genesis, he even wanted a sample of Angeal’s perfection) apparently Angeal was given Jeanova Cell’s in the Womb just like Sephiroth and was made perfect so takeing into account Sephiroth did get the better of Gen in their battle id say Angeal was probably as good as Sephiroth was, this isnt bull shit it’s in the game lol.
Now Sephiroth VII was stronger than everyone naturaly But beaten by Cloud in the end (ill wait till the remake to make my final opinion on this one) So let’s forget what has been and go with this ok, in AC Sephiroth is again much stronger but Cloud beat’s him again.
now compairing AC DoC
Cloud beat Russo and so did Vincent we don’t no how Cloud won only he did and tried his ass of, the main point im makeing is this,
Base Weiss beat Russo’s best Form (3 Russo with all their speed) he also Beat Azul’s best Effort (tranceformed) and say’s he hasnt broke a sweat, now Cloud DoC is more powerful than Cloud AC or am i mad?, and he had difficulty beating Russo and in AC he could Fight on par with Sephiroth for 2 hour’s or something before fatiugeing (in DoC Cloud would have done better due to being better himself correct).
So CC Sephiroth and FFVII Sephiroth were under DoC Base Weiss due to the fact Cloud AC is on par with them and DoC Cloud had real trouble beating someone Base Weiss toyed with plus he had an extra enemy to defeat and both went allout with their best form’s.
This conclude’s with AC Cloud beat Sephiroth and DoC Cloud is stronger yet Cloud had great trouble with base Russo who base Weiss defeat’s her effortlessly in her maximum along with Azul, now consider Omega Weiss and the fact Chaos beat him and you will see what i mean when i say Chaos and Omega Weiss are superior to Cloud.
If you still can’t see my working’s
CC Genesis>CC Angeal CC Sephiroth>FFVII Cloud>FFVII Sephiroth>AC Cloud>Russo Azul>DoC Cloud>AC Sephiroth>Base Weiss>Omega Weiss>Chaos
This is what i have gathered from watching and playing the series it’s what ive chosen to belive Gen is under both Seph and Angeal due to reason’s given, Realistic Battle would have FFVII Cloud and Sephiroth next and AC Cloud over the two of them, Russo and Azul at full power would beat AC Cloud as his stronger self had difficulty fighting Russo’s base form, then DoC Cloud would beat them, i don’t think Cloud surpassed Seph’s ability in AC by DoC, Base Weiss literaly blew Russo and Azul away at maximum with no effort Cloud in DoC had trouble so i put him ubove Sephiroth AC cus he dident exactly own Cloud back then nevermind DoC’s stronger Cloud, Next Omega Weiss and Chaos are over them naturaly.
Id put Sephiroth FULL Power at the end but that’s only estimateing how much of his ability that was never used in AC
| | | 05 May 2008 04:09 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 9Joined: 07 Mar 2008 Posts: 1,401 OFFLINE | DoC Cloud is not neccisarily stronger, He probably didn’t fight for an entire year after fighting Sephiroth. His skills would have been rusty, Not to the extreme but he would be a bit weaker or not as skilled and such.
Now, Sephiroth did have the overall advantage in moveing speed over Cloud in AC. I mean look at all the times Sephiroth is many feet away already doing a manuever when Cloud just finished off an attack. They are even in battle speed yes, but it seems Sephiroth’s teleportation gave him an edge in the fight.
Chaos while strong, was not stronger than the planet. He returned to the planet, something Sephiroth resisted. Sephiroth also has control over the negitive lifestream and can move a planet.
And not to underestimate Cloud, but I do think he gets a strength boost and a bigger fighting spirit when he fights Sephiroth. I mean the guy destroyed his village, shattered his image of his hero, controlled him 2 years earlier, and killed his love interest. I just think Sephiroth makes him go all out and use all he has to combat him. Thats probably where he pulled omnislash from.
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A level beyond omnipotence... | | | 05 May 2008 04:15 pm |
Darkness 2008 Guest | I dunno AC Cloud was stronger than VII Cloud without a Sephiroth to fight (it’s evident by Omnislash V5 witch show’s he had been training and improveing) so why not DoC Cloud?
| | | 05 May 2008 04:16 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 9Joined: 07 Mar 2008 Posts: 1,401 OFFLINE | Darkness 2008 wrote:
I dunno AC Cloud was stronger than VII Cloud without a Sephiroth to fight (it’s evident by Omnislash V5 witch show’s he had been training and improveing) so why not DoC Cloud?
Remember Tifa remarking he was getting his skill or strength back or whatever while he was fighting Kadaj? He was starting to get it back then because he knew Kadaj was the vessal Sephiroth would be coming through. Then when Sephiroth came...he had to give it his all.
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A level beyond omnipotence... | | | 05 May 2008 04:20 pm |
Darkness 2008 Guest | Hmmm...true Tifa said he had regained his old strenth but Sephiroth also stated “were did you get this strenth from” indicateing he was stronger (plus if Seph wss stronger then Cloud sure as hell had to be to match him like he did in that fight) but im just saying Cloud probably carried on training after AC due to Sephiroth’s last word’s “ill never be just a memory"
| | | 05 May 2008 04:28 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 9Joined: 07 Mar 2008 Posts: 1,401 OFFLINE | Darkness 2008 wrote:
Hmmm...true Tifa said he had regained his old strenth but Sephiroth also stated “were did you get this strenth from” indicateing he was stronger (plus if Seph wss stronger then Cloud sure as hell had to be to match him like he did in that fight) but im just saying Cloud probably carried on training after AC due to Sephiroth’s last word’s “ill never be just a memory”
That could be true, but when Sephiroth said “Where did you get this strength?" probably confirms what I said about him getting a strength boost when fighting Sephiroth.
As for being weaker than Wiess, I don’t know, We can’t really say because we didn’t see Cloud fight that one girl.
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A level beyond omnipotence... | | | 05 May 2008 04:41 pm |
Darkness 2008 Guest | well Airith was behind the strenth boost in my eye’s, but as for Cloud vs Russo all we know is he had to try to beat her the battle was apparently feirce and she was in base form at the start, now Weiss base Form not the overpowered Omega Weiss was shown handing Russo and Azul thir full powered asses without breaking a Sweat and that’s in his natural State.
Sephiroth AC had the edge over AC Cloud but had to really work to own Cloud the only point he could have killed Cloud was on the roof when Cloud was fatiuged Now if you do take into Account Cloud trained and in DoC was stronger then he could have done alot better against Sephiroth dont you think?
Then imagine Azul and Russo at full power arent even a warm up for base Weiss, you kinda get that Weiss is >DoC Cloud by some margin, and completely ghost’s him in Omega Form as would Chaos (do you honestly see Cloud moveing at those speed’s)?
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