| 30 Apr 2008 05:37 pm |
Addict (beyond 1337) Rep: 47  Joined: 04 Mar 2008 Posts: 7,716 OFFLINE | Kal-El of Earth Prime wrote:
Your still not getting it.
get wat, Chidori,Sword,Speed.
This mactch is won.
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| 30 Apr 2008 08:25 pm |
Regular Rep: 3Joined: 20 Apr 2008 Posts: 349 OFFLINE | SMP Logged Out wrote:
Agung wrote:
SMP:
1) Real life logic applies to Naruto and One Piece at the same time. Why not this particular one?
Not always.
Agung wrote:
2) In cross fights, there are usually two creators. The problem is, the fans are speculating over this and its natural to give them an even fight. It’s not in the creator’s hands anymore, but the fans that are speculating over who would win.
Thats not the point.
Agung wrote:
3) The original point of my message was to show that a kunai was weaker than regular steel. Sasuke cut through Yamato’s kunai no problem, which led me to believe it was something of iron. Then of course, Asuma’s chakra blades are unique and different from a regular kunai so you really can’t compare. Thus, Sasuke would have a hard time cutting through Zoro’s blades, because Zoro’s blades are made up of a stronger metal that we have seen in Naruto.
You didn’t prove anything and remember bone that was harder than steel didn’t went throw Gaara’s sand I thought we throw this but Sasuke did.
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Itachi: You say no one could ever block the Totsuka sword.
But in fact, nobody has ever tried. Kusanagi couldn’t block it, because Orochimaru didn’t even try to.
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/392/15/
Do you see that? Oro didn’t even try to block it, at all. It was able to cut Oro, and the Hydra’s heads off. It seems that it only becomes physical when it is on the offense, which means that Zoro might be able to block it.
No it a sword with no true form and it is supernarutal you know.
Agung wrote:
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/392/16/
See that? “Anyone and anything it PIERCES...." This supports my theory.
As for the spiritual part, I have a theory about that.
The Totsuka sword is spiritual, but only when it is not used for attacking. If you flip back the pages a bit, you’ll see that the sword is at first spiritual, but becomes physical to cut the Hydra’s head off.
You do you know that spirits can attack physical right?
1) Why not, so your character can win?
2) Point? The fans are speculating, and we’re using rea life mechanics to compare what the results are.
3) Really? Did you know that Gaara and the rest of his team improved after the Chunin exams? His power during the Chunin exams and his power during the Sasuke retrieval arc is different. And Kimimaro’s bones are harder than steel? It’s not harder, but it’s similar to that. And Zoro has cut through steel before, moving at quick speeds and the size of a train.
4) The spiritual form? The sword only becomes physical when attacking. I just explained it, it can be blocked. Nothing says that it can’t. It’s supernatural abilities is what makes it supernatural.
5) Really? See above.
Kyuubi was supposed to be a spirit, but was held off by the Yondaime and Gamabunta.
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| 01 May 2008 08:01 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 42 Joined: 02 Apr 2008 Posts: 1,895 OFFLINE | 3)Naruto ripped throw gaara’s sand when it was at its full and it matched up with the Chidori oh and it went throw a steel watertower.
4)Sasuke was inside the sunoo when Itachi was up close to him.
5)Gamabunta could beat the one tailed the fox was just sealed not held off.
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| 01 May 2008 09:53 pm |
The Mangekyou Sharingan Rep: 44 Joined: 01 Oct 2007 Posts: 9,345 OFFLINE | 1) Why not, so your character can win?
2) Point? The fans are speculating, and we’re using rea life mechanics to compare what the results are.
3) Really? Did you know that Gaara and the rest of his team improved after the Chunin exams? His power during the Chunin exams and his power during the Sasuke retrieval arc is different. And Kimimaro’s bones are harder than steel? It’s not harder, but it’s similar to that. And Zoro has cut through steel before, moving at quick speeds and the size of a train.
4) The spiritual form? The sword only becomes physical when attacking. I just explained it, it can be blocked. Nothing says that it can’t. It’s supernatural abilities is what makes it supernatural.
5) Really? See above.
Kyuubi was supposed to be a spirit, but was held off by the Yondaime and Gamabunta.
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Then how zorro could slice off Totsuka and the shield while Sasuke could do more than sword techniques...???
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| 02 May 2008 01:13 am |
Regular Rep: 3Joined: 20 Apr 2008 Posts: 349 OFFLINE | SMP:
3)During the Chunin Exams, not after he got faster right? A steel watertower? Was that in the Deidara vs Gaara fight or was that filler?
4) It becomes physical when it attacks him, at that point Sasuke was completely defenseless and couldn’t attack back.
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| 02 May 2008 02:58 am |
The Mangekyou Sharingan Rep: 44Joined: 01 Oct 2007 Posts: 9,345 OFFLINE | The susano’o move on its own...
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| 02 May 2008 07:52 am |
SMP Logged Out Guest | I meant say Gamabunta couldn’t beat the one tailed sand demon the fox was just sealed not held off.
Oops it was but it did match with the kyuubi’s chakra which which break Gaara’s sand at its full which was harder than steel.
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| 02 May 2008 12:06 pm |
Bleh Guest | Am I reading this right? Some people are saying that Sasuke has MS? Are you fucking kidding me!?
Sasuke accidently uses amaterasu once with no idea how he did it or how to use it in the future and people are saying Sasuke as MS’s arsenal at his disposal, Bullshit!
Zoro finishes this fight in nano secound’s, why? Zoro can out run a bullet as shown in Whiskey Peak and can curl 4 tons as shown during his training.
Sasuke’s sharingan won’t help him because Sasuke still isn’t fast enough to out speed Zoro, Sasuke can’t use Kirin because it requires to much time to execute, Sasuke’s fire balls are too slow ect.
Sasuke’s got no chance.
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| 02 May 2008 02:06 pm |
Truth Teller Guest | Itachi did give Sasuke all his eye techs but I think Madara is going to teach them how to use it.
Oh Kakashi speedblitzed in front of to lightning bolts and Sasuke is faster.
You forgot about genjutsu and the fact that he fly and has CSL2 (which is about has strong as one tailed naruto who send oro flying when tsunade couldn’t) to boost his speed and walk walls and crap that.
He has a chance.
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| 02 May 2008 02:10 pm |
Truth Teller Guest | Itachi did give Sasuke all his eye techs but I think Madara is going to teach them how to use it.
Oh Kakashi speedblitzed in front of to lightning bolts and Sasuke is faster as well as the chiroi sword and took out an army by himself.
You forgot about genjutsu and the fact that he fly(can use kirin in air) at CSL2 (which is about has strong as one tailed naruto who send oro flying when tsunade couldn’t) to boost his speed as while and walk walls and crap like that.
He has a chance stop underrating Naruto characters.
Fixed.
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| 02 May 2008 02:16 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 42Joined: 02 Apr 2008 Posts: 1,895 OFFLINE | Bleh wrote:
Am I reading this right? Some people are saying that Sasuke has MS? Are you fucking kidding me!?
Sasuke accidently uses amaterasu once with no idea how he did it or how to use it in the future and people are saying Sasuke as MS’s arsenal at his disposal, Bullshit!
Zoro finishes this fight in nano secound’s, why? Zoro can out run a bullet as shown in Whiskey Peak and can curl 4 tons as shown during his training.
Sasuke’s sharingan won’t help him because Sasuke still isn’t fast enough to out speed Zoro, Sasuke can’t use Kirin because it requires to much time to execute, Sasuke’s fire balls are too slow ect.
Sasuke’s got no chance.
Seriously under-estimating Sasuke Itachi reacted to a light strike as while also Madara escape an 10 kilo explodion but couldn’t reacted to Sasuke who was too fast enough move out of the way of Sasuke’s blade oh and there is that high speed air pressure attack he avoided in part one bullet gain their power there speed and that blast had more power.
Oh and he can make blade made out of light also the mature sharingan can see movements of someone faster than but not the movement of charka like in the fight with Naruto when he went tailes and got thrown around solid rock getting back up.but then CSL2 come in and saw him with ease.
Based on what you told me about Zoro and saying Sasuke has no chance sounds pretty funny but I’m not under-estimating Zoro like you did with Sasuke.
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| 02 May 2008 04:09 pm |
Bleh Guest | Superman Prime wrote:
Seriously under-estimating Sasuke Itach reacted to a light strike
So Itachi’s reated to a lightning strike? Well no sorry but he didn’t, not realy. It was not a matter of a lightning strike being executed and directed at Itachi, Itachi reacting to said lightning strike in mid flight and activating sasuno’o in time to defend him self, this is not the case because there is not enough evidence to support this. Why? Because the lightning bolt was never illustrated moving in mid flight towards it’s designated target. There was this...
[url]http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/391/08/[/url]
But that was the Kirin before it had been fired as you can see in the next scan.
[url]http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/391/09/[/url]
So, as you can see there is not enough evidence to show that Itachi is that fast and there is plenty of evidence to show that Itachi had plenty of time to prepare Sasuno’o due to the lenghy time it takes Sasuke to use Kirin. Itachi isn’t that fast, mentaly of phyicaly.
Superman Prime02 wrote:
Madara escape an 10 kilo explodion but couldn’t reacted to Sasuke fast enough move out of the way of Sasuke’s blade
Your point is some what self contradicting, you claim Sasuke is faster than Tobi because Sasuke hit Tobi, but if Sasuke is faster than Tobi then why did Tobi escape the explosion and not Sasuke too.
There is not enough evidence to support that Tobi escaped the explosion via speed as he could have gone underground and Tobi likely let Sasuke hit him because attacks pass through him ect.
Superman Prime wrote:
oh and there is that high speed air pressure attack he avoided in part one bullet gain their power there speed and that blast had more power.
This is a similar matter to Itachi and is lightning dodgeing ability (or lack there of any way). This might have been a case of Sasuke dodgeing the shooter as appose to Sasuke dodgeing the bullet for a similar reason as before, the air bullet was not illustrated in mid flight. So Sasuke either moved out of the way before the air bullet fired or moved after it fired there isn’t enough evidence to support either wich makes the feat quite worthless for the sake of a vs debate. Sorry but you need hard evidence for these things.
[url]http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/56/06/[/url]
See? It’s imppossible to tell if Sasuke started moving before or after the air bullet was fired. As you can see Dosu had plenty of time to react before hand.
And Sasuke’s arsenal is still way to weak to effectivley fight Zoro (Zoro has taken many attacks that do more damage than bullets and 40mm grenades especilly during Eneis Lobby and Thriller Bark and continued fighting)where as Zoro’s most basic attacks work just fine on Sasuke as they break/cut steel ect.
[url]http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/371/08-09/[/url]
[url]http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/371/16-17/[/url](notice T-Bones sword)
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| 02 May 2008 04:26 pm |
Bleh Guest | Oh and I’ll say it again Sasuke does not have Itachi’s arsenal at his disposal, the only MS move he’s used so far was Amaterasu and so far there’s nothing to suggest that was nothing more then a one off. It was a special moved designed to be executed as soon as Sasuke saw Tobi, Sasuke has no control over it and can’t use any moves until he’s shown that he can do so in the manga. This stuff about Sasuke using Sasuno’o are assumptions nothing more and are worthless in a vs debate.
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| 02 May 2008 05:03 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 42Joined: 02 Apr 2008 Posts: 1,895 OFFLINE | Bleh wrote:
So Itachi’s reated to a lightning strike? Well no sorry but he didn’t, not realy. It was not a matter of a lightning strike being executed and directed at Itachi, Itachi reacting to said lightning strike in mid flight and activating sasuno’o in time to defend him self, this is not the case because there is not enough evidence to support this. Why? Because the lightning bolt was never illustrated moving in mid flight towards it’s designated target. There was this...
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/391/08/
But that was the Kirin before it had been fired as you can see in the next scan. [/qoute]
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/391/09/
So, as you can see there is not enough evidence to show that Itachi is that fast and there is plenty of evidence to show that Itachi had plenty of time to prepare Sasuno’o due to the lenghy time it takes Sasuke to use Kirin. Itachi isn’t that fast, mentaly of phyicaly.
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/391/09/
Its all in Itachi’s eyes they were still visible when the lightning strike was comeing its that simple.Sometime like this happened to Kakashi in the beginning of part 2.
Bleh wrote:
Your point is some what self contradicting, you claim Sasuke is faster than Tobi because Sasuke hit Tobi, but if Sasuke is faster than Tobi then why did Tobi escape the explosion and not Sasuke too.
There is not enough evidence to support that Tobi escaped the explosion via speed as he could have gone underground and Tobi likely let Sasuke hit him because attacks pass through him ect.
Tobi most likly teleported and it happened at the bomb went off.
Bleh wrote:
This is a similar matter to Itachi and is lightning dodgeing ability (or lack there of any way). This might have been a case of Sasuke dodgeing the shooter as appose to Sasuke dodgeing the bullet for a similar reason as before, the air bullet was not illustrated in mid flight. So Sasuke either moved out of the way before the air bullet fired or moved after it fired there isn’t enough evidence to support either wich makes the feat quite worthless for the sake of a vs debate. Sorry but you need hard evidence for these things.
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/56/06/
See? It’s imppossible to tell if Sasuke started moving before or after the air bullet was fired. As you can see Dosu had plenty of time to react before hand.
He clearly moved after attack striked he moved Naruto and Sakura without even being seen and the remarks about his speed plus Sasuke didn’t even know what Zaku could do so he had to see it coming.
I already talked about this with others.
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| 02 May 2008 05:09 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 42Joined: 02 Apr 2008 Posts: 1,895 OFFLINE | Bleh wrote:
Oh and I’ll say it again Sasuke does not have Itachi’s arsenal at his disposal, the only MS move he’s used so far was Amaterasu and so far there’s nothing to suggest that was nothing more then a one off. It was a special moved designed to be executed as soon as Sasuke saw Tobi, Sasuke has no control over it and can’t use any moves until he’s shown that he can do so in the manga. This stuff about Sasuke using Sasuno’o are assumptions nothing more and are worthless in a vs debate.
I agree with this.
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| 02 May 2008 05:32 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 16Joined: 04 Apr 2008 Posts: 1,436 OFFLINE | i am going to agree with that too
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| 02 May 2008 08:59 pm |
The Clown Prince of Crime Rep: 20 Joined: 10 Nov 2006 Posts: 7,758 OFFLINE | This match is still going on?Zoro wins in an unholy rape.
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| 03 May 2008 09:37 am |
The Mangekyou Sharingan Rep: 44Joined: 01 Oct 2007 Posts: 9,345 OFFLINE | Oh god... Kirin smack off Zorro then Kusanagi do the rest...
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| 03 May 2008 10:18 am |
The Clown Prince of Crime Rep: 20Joined: 10 Nov 2006 Posts: 7,758 OFFLINE | Itachi Uchiha wrote:
Oh god... Kirin smack off Zorro then Kusanagi do the rest...
Yes a lightning move that is not only shit compared to Enels lighting but can only be used when there is real lightning around meaning the chances of Sasuke using it are rare.Are you going by the anime myth Kusanagi can cut diamond?Please it couldn’t even cut Enma.
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| 03 May 2008 11:04 am |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 42Joined: 02 Apr 2008 Posts: 1,895 OFFLINE | Zoro was not hit with a bolt plus the attack that he was hit with made him unconious and Enel wasn’t even trying.
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