| 04 May 2008 07:45 am |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 53  Joined: 17 Jan 2007 Posts: 4,933 OFFLINE | Tyreaus wrote:
Gplex wrote:
Tyreaus wrote:
ramunematt wrote:
Itachi Uchiha wrote:
Atheism=believe in no god
Your saying atheism is a belief. That’s like saying lacking hair is still having hair, or that lacking a hobby is still a hobby. What you’ve just said is, “a lack of X is still X”. Atheism is lack of belief, not belief. Get over it.
He’s right in a way though. In terms of belief, you’re still believing that no god or gods exist. It can still be classified as a belief in that way.
“I don’t believe in a god or gods” or “I believe in no god or gods” are fairly synonymous, I see, as far as Atheism goes.
Again this doesn’t mean it’s a religion per-se, but a belief.
What is your definition of a god. I can not mention any more until you do, because you seem stuck on this idea of a god, which you have never defined.
My personal definition of a God is a being that transcends our dimension and other dimensions and universes of extreme power and knowledge that created the majority of the multiverse and defies the majority of our known laws of physics.
There is no evidence for this, which leaves you with all the other religions/gods, which leads you no where.
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| 04 May 2008 07:50 am |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 53Joined: 17 Jan 2007 Posts: 4,933 OFFLINE | treeplanter wrote:
Quick stop to say:
Belief and religion: not the same thing.
YES, Atheism is a belief.
Atheism in NOT a religion.
A belief is the term used to describe anything you believe or don’t believe in. Disbelief is still a form of the belief expression.
“I believe that there is life in the universe”
“I do not believe there is life in the universe”
Both statements are expressions of belief.
Capiche?
from http://www.answers.com - One who disbelieves or denies the existence of God or gods.
strange how it doesnt say one who does not believe or denies the existence of god or gods.
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| 05 May 2008 05:01 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 30 Joined: 23 Nov 2006 Posts: 3,945 OFFLINE | Gplex wrote:
treeplanter wrote:
Quick stop to say:
Belief and religion: not the same thing.
YES, Atheism is a belief.
Atheism in NOT a religion.
A belief is the term used to describe anything you believe or don’t believe in. Disbelief is still a form of the belief expression.
“I believe that there is life in the universe”
“I do not believe there is life in the universe”
Both statements are expressions of belief.
Capiche?
from http://www.answers.com - One who disbelieves or denies the existence of God or gods.
strange how it doesnt say one who does not believe or denies the existence of god or gods.
Maybe because disbelieves is grammatically correct and sounds better? I mean, disbelieve and not believe are they same thing.
Disbelive sounds more professional...
“I don’t belive you said that!"
“I disbelive your statement”
I dunno, something like that.
I just wanted to make clear the grammar side of the word “believe” isn’t part of the theoretical argument.
The word belief wasn’t even part of the original topic, it just got brought up and misused.
(I’m just being picky I guess ).
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| 05 May 2008 05:17 pm |
in soviet russia, grunt kills you! Rep: 40 Joined: 07 Aug 2007 Posts: 6,695 OFFLINE | look
i respect your opinion
i gave you a negative rep because your one of the people who only post to argue about one topic
you gave me a negative rep and thats fine
and to be on-topic i do agree what that person wrote in in that rep is stupid
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| 05 May 2008 06:11 pm |
Es Milu Tevi Engelis Rep: 43 Joined: 01 Apr 2007 Posts: 9,126 | Gplex wrote:
Tyreaus wrote:
Gplex wrote:
Tyreaus wrote:
ramunematt wrote:
Itachi Uchiha wrote:
Atheism=believe in no god
Your saying atheism is a belief. That’s like saying lacking hair is still having hair, or that lacking a hobby is still a hobby. What you’ve just said is, “a lack of X is still X”. Atheism is lack of belief, not belief. Get over it.
He’s right in a way though. In terms of belief, you’re still believing that no god or gods exist. It can still be classified as a belief in that way.
“I don’t believe in a god or gods” or “I believe in no god or gods” are fairly synonymous, I see, as far as Atheism goes.
Again this doesn’t mean it’s a religion per-se, but a belief.
What is your definition of a god. I can not mention any more until you do, because you seem stuck on this idea of a god, which you have never defined.
My personal definition of a God is a being that transcends our dimension and other dimensions and universes of extreme power and knowledge that created the majority of the multiverse and defies the majority of our known laws of physics.
There is no evidence for this, which leaves you with all the other religions/gods, which leads you no where.
I really don’t understand what my definition of a God must do with it, though. I thought my small debate with Ramunematt cleared up on how it could be considered a belief.
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| 05 May 2008 07:22 pm |
Dr. Matt Rep: 48 Joined: 07 Jul 2006 Posts: 14,547 OFFLINE | Itachi Uchiha wrote:
Your saying atheism is a belief. That’s like saying lacking hair is still having hair, or that lacking a hobby is still a hobby. What you’ve just said is, “a lack of X is still X”. Atheism is lack of belief, not belief. Get over it.
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xx=x2 right...???
now x = x
right...???
atheism=a belief or system that there are/is no god(s)...
like zen or tao...
-X does not equal +X you dumbass.
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| 05 May 2008 07:55 pm |
The Mangekyou Sharingan Rep: 47 Joined: 01 Oct 2007 Posts: 10,291 OFFLINE | Gplex wrote:
Tyreaus wrote:
Gplex wrote:
Tyreaus wrote:
ramunematt wrote:
Itachi Uchiha wrote:
Atheism=believe in no god
Your saying atheism is a belief. That’s like saying lacking hair is still having hair, or that lacking a hobby is still a hobby. What you’ve just said is, “a lack of X is still X”. Atheism is lack of belief, not belief. Get over it.
He’s right in a way though. In terms of belief, you’re still believing that no god or gods exist. It can still be classified as a belief in that way.
“I don’t believe in a god or gods” or “I believe in no god or gods” are fairly synonymous, I see, as far as Atheism goes.
Again this doesn’t mean it’s a religion per-se, but a belief.
What is your definition of a god. I can not mention any more until you do, because you seem stuck on this idea of a god, which you have never defined.
My personal definition of a God is a being that transcends our dimension and other dimensions and universes of extreme power and knowledge that created the majority of the multiverse and defies the majority of our known laws of physics.
There is no evidence for this, which leaves you with all the other religions/gods, which leads you no where.
Even sciences cant reach the black hole...
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| 05 May 2008 07:55 pm |
The Mangekyou Sharingan Rep: 47Joined: 01 Oct 2007 Posts: 10,291 OFFLINE | ramunematt wrote:
Itachi Uchiha wrote:
Your saying atheism is a belief. That’s like saying lacking hair is still having hair, or that lacking a hobby is still a hobby. What you’ve just said is, “a lack of X is still X”. Atheism is lack of belief, not belief. Get over it.
— — — — — — — — — — — — — — — — — — — — — — — — — — — — — —
xx=x2 right...???
now x = x
right...???
atheism=a belief or system that there are/is no god(s)...
like zen or tao...
-X does not equal +X you dumbass.
x = x
unsigned x = signed x;
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| 05 May 2008 08:03 pm |
Dr. Matt Rep: 48Joined: 07 Jul 2006 Posts: 14,547 OFFLINE | Itachi Uchiha wrote:
ramunematt wrote:
Itachi Uchiha wrote:
Your saying atheism is a belief. That’s like saying lacking hair is still having hair, or that lacking a hobby is still a hobby. What you’ve just said is, “a lack of X is still X”. Atheism is lack of belief, not belief. Get over it.
— — — — — — — — — — — — — — — — — — — — — — — — — — — — — —
xx=x2 right...???
now x = x
right...???
atheism=a belief or system that there are/is no god(s)...
like zen or tao...
-X does not equal +X you dumbass.
x = x
unsigned x = signed x;
No. A lack of would imply that X is negative, and the belief implies a positive. A positive and negative do not equal eachother.
And no, unsigned X does not equal signed X. Where did you learn your math?
And BTW, science can and already did reach black holes. Science can teach us a lot more about black holes than religion will ever hope to know.
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| 05 May 2008 08:05 pm |
The Mangekyou Sharingan Rep: 47Joined: 01 Oct 2007 Posts: 10,291 OFFLINE | and dont know where the end of black holes...
right matt...???
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| 05 May 2008 09:11 pm |
blah blah Guest | Proud 2 b a
ATHIEST
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| 06 May 2008 07:56 pm |
The Mangekyou Sharingan Rep: 47Joined: 01 Oct 2007 Posts: 10,291 OFFLINE | haha...
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| 06 May 2008 08:38 pm |
Wannabe Rep: 0 Joined: 15 Apr 2008 Posts: 56 OFFLINE | hmm
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| 06 May 2008 09:44 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 19 Joined: 26 Aug 2005 Posts: 4,574 OFFLINE | Itachi Uchiha wrote:
ramunematt wrote:
Itachi Uchiha wrote:
Your saying atheism is a belief. That’s like saying lacking hair is still having hair, or that lacking a hobby is still a hobby. What you’ve just said is, “a lack of X is still X”. Atheism is lack of belief, not belief. Get over it.
— — — — — — — — — — — — — — — — — — — — — — — — — — — — — —
xx=x2 right...???
now x = x
right...???
atheism=a belief or system that there are/is no god(s)...
like zen or tao...
-X does not equal +X you dumbass.
x = x
unsigned x = signed x;
No.
x =/= -x
Now:
x = |-x|
Which leads to this:
If you want to get technical, atheism really is a belief. In disbelief, you hold a belief. You reject the belief of gods, but believe that gods do not exist. Similarly, theists reject the belief that gods don’t exist, but believe that gods exist.
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| 07 May 2008 01:12 am |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 53Joined: 17 Jan 2007 Posts: 4,933 OFFLINE | RageOverdose wrote:
Itachi Uchiha wrote:
ramunematt wrote:
Itachi Uchiha wrote:
Your saying atheism is a belief. That’s like saying lacking hair is still having hair, or that lacking a hobby is still a hobby. What you’ve just said is, “a lack of X is still X”. Atheism is lack of belief, not belief. Get over it.
— — — — — — — — — — — — — — — — — — — — — — — — — — — — — —
xx=x2 right...???
now x = x
right...???
atheism=a belief or system that there are/is no god(s)...
like zen or tao...
-X does not equal +X you dumbass.
x = x
unsigned x = signed x;
No.
x =/= -x
Now:
x = |-x|
Which leads to this:
If you want to get technical, atheism really is a belief. In disbelief, you hold a belief. You reject the belief of gods, but believe that gods do not exist. Similarly, theists reject the belief that gods don’t exist, but believe that gods exist.
If a child is born he does not know anything about any god, this is a non belief, a non belief, and a disbelief is classed under atheism.
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| 07 May 2008 07:42 pm |
The Mangekyou Sharingan Rep: 47Joined: 01 Oct 2007 Posts: 10,291 OFFLINE | The spider never learn how to create spider web but they could create many and oh... they dont have brains...
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| 07 May 2008 09:48 pm |
King of the Gamer Army Rep: 34 Joined: 22 Nov 2005 Posts: 14,674 OFFLINE | Gplex wrote:
RageOverdose wrote:
Itachi Uchiha wrote:
ramunematt wrote:
Itachi Uchiha wrote:
Your saying atheism is a belief. That’s like saying lacking hair is still having hair, or that lacking a hobby is still a hobby. What you’ve just said is, “a lack of X is still X”. Atheism is lack of belief, not belief. Get over it.
— — — — — — — — — — — — — — — — — — — — — — — — — — — — — —
xx=x2 right...???
now x = x
right...???
atheism=a belief or system that there are/is no god(s)...
like zen or tao...
-X does not equal +X you dumbass.
x = x
unsigned x = signed x;
No.
x =/= -x
Now:
x = |-x|
Which leads to this:
If you want to get technical, atheism really is a belief. In disbelief, you hold a belief. You reject the belief of gods, but believe that gods do not exist. Similarly, theists reject the belief that gods don’t exist, but believe that gods exist.
If a child is born he does not know anything about any god, this is a non belief, a non belief, and a disbelief is classed under atheism.
no it isnt. atheism is denial that God exists. a new born child can’t deny God exists when it doesn’t even know who or what God is.
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 the21gamer wrote:
ramunematt wrote:
Did you hear me? I’m a bigger better pussy than you’ll ever be.
Wtf...
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| 07 May 2008 10:07 pm |
Regular Rep: 10 Joined: 03 May 2008 Posts: 656 OFFLINE | the21gamer wrote:
Gplex wrote:
RageOverdose wrote:
Itachi Uchiha wrote:
ramunematt wrote:
Itachi Uchiha wrote:
Your saying atheism is a belief. That’s like saying lacking hair is still having hair, or that lacking a hobby is still a hobby. What you’ve just said is, “a lack of X is still X”. Atheism is lack of belief, not belief. Get over it.
— — — — — — — — — — — — — — — — — — — — — — — — — — — — — —
xx=x2 right...???
now x = x
right...???
atheism=a belief or system that there are/is no god(s)...
like zen or tao...
-X does not equal +X you dumbass.
x = x
unsigned x = signed x;
No.
x =/= -x
Now:
x = |-x|
Which leads to this:
If you want to get technical, atheism really is a belief. In disbelief, you hold a belief. You reject the belief of gods, but believe that gods do not exist. Similarly, theists reject the belief that gods don’t exist, but believe that gods exist.
If a child is born he does not know anything about any god, this is a non belief, a non belief, and a disbelief is classed under atheism.
no it isnt. atheism is denial that God exists. a new born child can’t deny God exists when it doesn’t even know who or what God is.
Correction. Atheism, as an explicit position, either affirms the nonexistence of gods, or rejects theism.
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| 07 May 2008 10:08 pm |
The one and forever only... Rep: 39 Joined: 11 Feb 2008 Posts: 10,620 OFFLINE | Religion= Atheism???
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God is evil God is pure God is neither God is God
Don’t FUCK with my insanity I’ll warp your REALiTY | |
| 08 May 2008 12:10 am |
King of the Gamer Army Rep: 34Joined: 22 Nov 2005 Posts: 14,674 OFFLINE | Sweeney Todd wrote:
the21gamer wrote:
Gplex wrote:
RageOverdose wrote:
Itachi Uchiha wrote:
ramunematt wrote:
Itachi Uchiha wrote:
Your saying atheism is a belief. That’s like saying lacking hair is still having hair, or that lacking a hobby is still a hobby. What you’ve just said is, “a lack of X is still X”. Atheism is lack of belief, not belief. Get over it.
— — — — — — — — — — — — — — — — — — — — — — — — — — — — — —
xx=x2 right...???
now x = x
right...???
atheism=a belief or system that there are/is no god(s)...
like zen or tao...
-X does not equal +X you dumbass.
x = x
unsigned x = signed x;
No.
x =/= -x
Now:
x = |-x|
Which leads to this:
If you want to get technical, atheism really is a belief. In disbelief, you hold a belief. You reject the belief of gods, but believe that gods do not exist. Similarly, theists reject the belief that gods don’t exist, but believe that gods exist.
If a child is born he does not know anything about any god, this is a non belief, a non belief, and a disbelief is classed under atheism.
no it isnt. atheism is denial that God exists. a new born child can’t deny God exists when it doesn’t even know who or what God is.
Correction. Atheism, as an explicit position, either affirms the nonexistence of gods, or rejects theism.
are you unable to read? you didnt correct anything because i already said that. read before you correct.
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the21gamer wrote:
ramunematt wrote:
Did you hear me? I’m a bigger better pussy than you’ll ever be.
Wtf...
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