| 14 May 2008 07:08 am |
Dr. Matt Rep: 48  Joined: 07 Jul 2006 Posts: 14,533 OFFLINE | A universe with god will have evil in it anyway. The concept of evil can’t exist without the concept of good. No matter how omnipotent you say your god is, there is no way to eradicate all evil from this universe because unitary and binary opposites exist.
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| 14 May 2008 07:17 am |
The one and forever only... Rep: 39 Joined: 11 Feb 2008 Posts: 10,620 OFFLINE | seed wrote:
A Universe without a God means A Universe with Evil unless if evil is not came from god.
He’s everything you imbicil he made everything including evil if you say he’s not god is weak and limited.
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God is evil God is pure God is neither God is God
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| 14 May 2008 08:09 am |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 12 Joined: 21 Jul 2007 Posts: 3,664 OFFLINE | 1indainfinite wrote:
seed wrote:
A Universe without a God means A Universe with Evil unless if evil is not came from god.
He’s everything you imbicil he made everything including evil if you say he’s not god is weak and limited.
lol,lucifer is came from god ,right? he is one of his angel yes its true he created angel but he didn’t know that this one want to be over him.
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| 14 May 2008 09:55 am |
Regular Rep: 22 Joined: 06 May 2008 Posts: 976 OFFLINE | seed wrote:
1indainfinite wrote:
seed wrote:
A Universe without a God means A Universe with Evil unless if evil is not came from god.
He’s everything you imbicil he made everything including evil if you say he’s not god is weak and limited.
lol,lucifer is came from god ,right? he is one of his angel yes its true he created angel but he didn’t know that this one want to be over him.
Here is the point YOU are missing Seed. In this scenario, God NEVER existed. Its not as if he did and now he doesn’t. So all the relative “good and evil” you’ve experienced has been shown to be a natural part of life. The “ups and the downs” “yin yang”. This means SIN is also non-existent, since you cannot defy a God that does not exist.
Guest 91 wrote: [quote(=x)]Prob keep believeing cuzz theres always a chance
I’m not sure exactly what you’re beliefs are, but would you reject the hard proof that was discovered that shows we didn’t need God to get to where we are now?
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| 14 May 2008 10:33 am |
guest 91 Guest | Khorib wrote:
seed wrote:
1indainfinite wrote:
seed wrote:
A Universe without a God means A Universe with Evil unless if evil is not came from god.
He’s everything you imbicil he made everything including evil if you say he’s not god is weak and limited.
lol,lucifer is came from god ,right? he is one of his angel yes its true he created angel but he didn’t know that this one want to be over him.
Here is the point YOU are missing Seed. In this scenario, God NEVER existed. Its not as if he did and now he doesn’t. So all the relative “good and evil” you’ve experienced has been shown to be a natural part of life. The “ups and the downs” “yin yang”. This means SIN is also non-existent, since you cannot defy a God that does not exist.
Guest 91 wrote: [quote(=x)]Prob keep believeing cuzz theres always a chance
I’m not sure exactly what you’re beliefs are, but would you reject the hard proof that was discovered that shows we didn’t need God to get to where we are now?
Well let me get this out my idea of god is far beond mosts so yes i prob would in some ways reject the hard proof simply b/c my idea of god is extremly complex
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| 14 May 2008 10:40 am |
guest 91 Guest | guest 91 wrote:
Khorib wrote:
seed wrote:
1indainfinite wrote:
seed wrote:
A Universe without a God means A Universe with Evil unless if evil is not came from god.
He’s everything you imbicil he made everything including evil if you say he’s not god is weak and limited.
lol,lucifer is came from god ,right? he is one of his angel yes its true he created angel but he didn’t know that this one want to be over him.
Here is the point YOU are missing Seed. In this scenario, God NEVER existed. Its not as if he did and now he doesn’t. So all the relative “good and evil” you’ve experienced has been shown to be a natural part of life. The “ups and the downs” “yin yang”. This means SIN is also non-existent, since you cannot defy a God that does not exist.
Guest 91 wrote: [quote(=x)]Prob keep believeing cuzz theres always a chance
I’m not sure exactly what you’re beliefs are, but would you reject the hard proof that was discovered that shows we didn’t need God to get to where we are now?
Well let me get this out my idea of god is far beond mosts so yes i prob would in some ways reject the hard proof simply b/c my idea of god is extremly complex
but sorry satating my beliefe if off topic since this is what would you do if.
But if proven wrong in every way possible i would do everything i normaly do but my personality may change the way i treat people may change and many other aspects that religion had directly effected me in. Since now there would be no religion my gess is i would get a reversing effect since something i strongly believed in that has changed me is now being striped away
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| 14 May 2008 07:47 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 12Joined: 21 Jul 2007 Posts: 3,664 OFFLINE | Khorib wrote:
seed wrote:
1indainfinite wrote:
seed wrote:
A Universe without a God means A Universe with Evil unless if evil is not came from god.
He’s everything you imbicil he made everything including evil if you say he’s not god is weak and limited.
lol,lucifer is came from god ,right? he is one of his angel yes its true he created angel but he didn’t know that this one want to be over him.
Here is the point YOU are missing Seed. In this scenario, God NEVER existed. Its not as if he did and now he doesn’t. So all the relative “good and evil” you’ve experienced has been shown to be a natural part of life. The “ups and the downs” “yin yang”. This means SIN is also non-existent, since you cannot defy a God that does not exist.
Guest 91 wrote: [quote(=x)]Prob keep believeing cuzz theres always a chance
I’m not sure exactly what you’re beliefs are, but would you reject the hard proof that was discovered that shows we didn’t need God to get to where we are now?
you dont beleive in god right?that’s why for you god never existed.
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| 14 May 2008 07:53 pm |
Ace of 'Nades Rep: 65 Joined: 30 Apr 2007 Posts: 16,453 OFFLINE | Khorib wrote:
What would you do if (for the sake of discussion) there was undeniable proof that God didn’t exist?
(Lets say, for example, we discovered this today and we found that science has been on the right track. We found complete and utter solid proof of an alternative to the origins of the universe and of species other than God, etc, etc...)
What would you do?
Convert to atheism.
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| 14 May 2008 07:55 pm |
The Mangekyou Sharingan Rep: 47 Joined: 01 Oct 2007 Posts: 10,026 OFFLINE | ramunematt wrote:
A universe with god will have evil in it anyway. The concept of evil can’t exist without the concept of good. No matter how omnipotent you say your god is, there is no way to eradicate all evil from this universe because unitary and binary opposites exist.
God = Good
Evil = no Good
If God = Good then
Evil = No Good
which mean Evil = No God
Heat <> Cold
Cold = No Heat
Dark = No Light
We represent Dark as No light...
get it yet scientist brainless...???
Why there is evil since the evil says no good(good = God)...
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| 14 May 2008 07:57 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 29 Joined: 06 May 2007 Posts: 3,112 OFFLINE | Really, there is no such thing as good and evil. What is good and evil is up for us to decide. We make our own morals. Religion and law help construct it in certain ways though because of their teachings to us. Law is more effective because there is punishment involved.
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| 14 May 2008 07:58 pm |
The Mangekyou Sharingan Rep: 47Joined: 01 Oct 2007 Posts: 10,026 OFFLINE | even the criminals said that they are evil...
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| 14 May 2008 07:59 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 29Joined: 06 May 2007 Posts: 3,112 OFFLINE | Some, but not all. There are people who have killed others and have thought that what they have done is right.
Another example:
People who beat their kids think it is right, just as well as many think it is wrong.
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| 14 May 2008 08:01 pm |
The Mangekyou Sharingan Rep: 47Joined: 01 Oct 2007 Posts: 10,026 OFFLINE | petrofsky wrote:
Some, but not all. There are people who have killed others and have thought that what they have done is right.
Another example:
People who beat their kids think it is right, just as well as many think it is wrong.
the moral of society must be gone wrong after all since by taking out someone’s life it says bad things... if you consider that robbering, rapping and killing are not a crime then there must be something wrong with you...
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| 14 May 2008 08:03 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 29Joined: 06 May 2007 Posts: 3,112 OFFLINE | Itachi Uchiha wrote:
petrofsky wrote:
Some, but not all. There are people who have killed others and have thought that what they have done is right.
Another example:
People who beat their kids think it is right, just as well as many think it is wrong.
the moral of society must be gone wrong after all since by taking out someone’s life it says bad things... if you consider that robbering, rapping and killing are not a crime then there must be something wrong with you...
According to the morals I constructed for my own life, killing/robbing etc. is something wrong. However, to some people like homeless people and others, it is not, because they sometimes need to in order to survive. You need to keep in mind not everyone is alike. We all have different minds and opinions. Morals are not a physical existance, but a mental one, so it differs between people. In other words, there is no such thing as morals. Just what we individually find right and wrong.
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| 14 May 2008 08:06 pm |
The Mangekyou Sharingan Rep: 47Joined: 01 Oct 2007 Posts: 10,026 OFFLINE | petrofsky wrote:
Itachi Uchiha wrote:
petrofsky wrote:
Some, but not all. There are people who have killed others and have thought that what they have done is right.
Another example:
People who beat their kids think it is right, just as well as many think it is wrong.
the moral of society must be gone wrong after all since by taking out someone’s life it says bad things... if you consider that robbering, rapping and killing are not a crime then there must be something wrong with you...
According to the morals I constructed for my own life, killing/robbing etc. is something wrong. However, to some people like homeless people and others, it is not, because they sometimes need to in order to survive. You need to keep in mind not everyone is alike. We all have different minds and opinions. Morals are not a physical existance, but a mental one, so it differs between people. In other words, there is no such thing as morals. Just what we individually find right and wrong.
thats why in Islam there is Zakat an Shadaqah... or charity... they have 2,5 % from our money and rich... they deserve it... there is why Islam doing about Kurban or giving meat to the poor... giving our rice to the poor and even giving them free hospitality for the poor...
look at what saladin did to his people... he give everything what islam is...
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| 14 May 2008 08:07 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 29Joined: 06 May 2007 Posts: 3,112 OFFLINE | Itachi Uchiha wrote:
petrofsky wrote:
Itachi Uchiha wrote:
petrofsky wrote:
Some, but not all. There are people who have killed others and have thought that what they have done is right.
Another example:
People who beat their kids think it is right, just as well as many think it is wrong.
the moral of society must be gone wrong after all since by taking out someone’s life it says bad things... if you consider that robbering, rapping and killing are not a crime then there must be something wrong with you...
According to the morals I constructed for my own life, killing/robbing etc. is something wrong. However, to some people like homeless people and others, it is not, because they sometimes need to in order to survive. You need to keep in mind not everyone is alike. We all have different minds and opinions. Morals are not a physical existance, but a mental one, so it differs between people. In other words, there is no such thing as morals. Just what we individually find right and wrong.
thats why in Islam there is Zakat an Shadaqah... or charity... they have 2,5 % from our money and rich... they deserve it... there is why Islam doing about Kurban or giving meat to the poor... giving our rice to the poor and even giving them free hospitality for the poor...
look at what saladin did to his people... he give everything what islam is...
We are not talking about Islam. We are talking about morals.
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| 14 May 2008 08:09 pm |
The Mangekyou Sharingan Rep: 47Joined: 01 Oct 2007 Posts: 10,026 OFFLINE | Islam did eveything including morals... in Islam killing people even its an accident is not allowed... you must pay some money for the familiy you killed...
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| 14 May 2008 08:10 pm |
The one and forever only... Rep: 39Joined: 11 Feb 2008 Posts: 10,620 OFFLINE | seed wrote:
1indainfinite wrote:
seed wrote:
A Universe without a God means A Universe with Evil unless if evil is not came from god.
He’s everything you imbicil he made everything including evil if you say he’s not god is weak and limited.
lol,lucifer is came from god ,right? he is one of his angel yes its true he created angel but he didn’t know that this one want to be over him.
Your right Lucifer was the only angel with freewill
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God is evil God is pure God is neither God is God
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| 14 May 2008 08:12 pm |
The Mangekyou Sharingan Rep: 47Joined: 01 Oct 2007 Posts: 10,026 OFFLINE | 
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| 14 May 2008 08:12 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 29Joined: 06 May 2007 Posts: 3,112 OFFLINE | Itachi Uchiha wrote:
Islam did eveything including morals... in Islam killing people even its an accident is not allowed... you must pay some money for the familiy you killed...
All religions have some kind of set up morality system. Law does the same. That is so society can be kept in order and without and violence or corruption.
Imagine we are in the wild. There is no law, homes, etc. We are just like apes. You need fire to cook, but do not know, nor do you know where to get besides another human. No other human will let you take their fire. What do you have to do to survive? You need to steal the fire. Survival of the fittest is the name of the game. (that also is the game of evolution)
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