A Universe without a God

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The thing is, you are assuming that “god” is a default answer if we have not yet discovered proof of an alternative. We have been studying for some time now possible causes of the “Big Bang” that do not require a god. I suggest you look into “String” and “M” Theory. Of course, none of these theories have proof per say, but they are mathematically close (still not perfect though).


Did you know that before telescopes and astronomy (not astrology) people considered “God” to a be a real physical being watching over the Earth living in the sky, like the roman gods. However, after we looked around the sky and found nothing in the advancement of new technology, it was determined that God must live in a different form of existence (spiritual). This allowed the people to continue believing, even in the face of new discovery.

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Created nor destroyed but can be controlled right?

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ironically, i could say the exact same about you. We have different ideas, yet you have not shown anything that is reasonable.
ill say it slowly this time. God is om-ni-po-tent he is above physics, as he is above everything. He does not need to be composed of matter, or obey time. He does not need to be anything humans can understand

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I suppose.

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I like my friends theory better it involves strings

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PROVE IT. Or else, I can just make up some bullshit to. The magical hamster is above everything, even all the gods of every religion put together. He does not follow gods laws because if god disobeys him he sends him to hell.

Now, I just made up something above all powerful. Logically by what your saying, It’s possible because the magical hamster does not need to follow logic or reason thus he>>>>>>>>>>>>>x infinity infinity times omnipotent.

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you still cannot refute causality. As i said everything has a cause. the creation of causality must be beyond science and physics. even if the beginning is not the big bang.

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So because of this, God is true? That makes no sence.

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So hypothetically their is a certain amount of energy in the universe(and others if their are any)?

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Yes, the universe is finite technically so energy is finite.

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So their a certain amount of everything in the universe there can only be so much of one thing and still exist right?

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thats also my point. Faith does not require proof. We do not need to prove the existance of God, as i mentioned at the top. And are you still having a hard time understanding omnipotence? Because it seems that you are bullshitting without understanding my point. Omnipotence > everything, physics included. attempt to refute that point again and my respect for you will drop.

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Yes. Think of the universe as a poptart box. There can only be so many poptarts in the box without overflowing. Thus space in a poptart box=finite. Same for the universe and energy and stuff.

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Omnipotence is just another word for infinity.

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I know that already (damn you science channel!)

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infinity is just a concept it’s not a real number. COunt to infinity squaring the numbers starting from

9 trillion googleplexes. Square the numbers you get until you get to infinity.

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ffs NO i was stating that there is a possibility that there is a God, and that there is proof as such. Gods sake just because someone posts something that disagrees with you theres no need to be a prick

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I apologize, I got in to a bit of a fight and such with a couple people at school.

Anyways, yes there is a possiblity that a diety exists. But heres the problem, you can’t just ASSUME it is YOUR god. Why does it have to be your god? Why can’t it be some goddess named Sherry, or a half lion half flamingo, or Allah? You cannot deny that those are possiblities either.

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I hail from ten years of your future can I stop now?

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we dont deny them (were not supposed too anyway) but God is most likely entirely beyond our understanding. We know that he is benevolent, and believe that he has revealed some of his nature to us, but a lot of the prophets could be described as... dodgy. Christians should include other religions in their thoughts, as we believe that all religions show aspects of him. The exception is Satanism i suppose, but thats downright wierd