NihilusRavager7780 wrote:
Then give me evidence to prove that he can defeat Doomsday. Doomsday has the DNA of Superman inside him, which means that he is just as powerful. You think he has a chance but you don’t know. You only say those claims because you are losing this debate and want him to win because he is from DBZ. Learn to live with it. DBZ characters are not the most powerful. They cannot defeat everyone.
I will try not meet you at your obvious level......
Darkseid that shot Omega beams at Doomsday was later retconned to be an avatar. The problem with Doomsday is that’s he’s written inconsistently, and I think Hunter/Prey and OWAW counteract each other - basically, Doomsday was written to extremes that he shouldn’t have been in H/P and was taken down a notch in OWAW. In reality, no being should be able to survive a black hole, or anti-matter, etc, but comic book characters do, for whatever ridiculous reason. But anyway, I didn’t think the guardians had magic powers? I thought they were just innate powers. But not magic. And I still don’t see how Doomsday would survive Buu’s magic. I don’t see Doomsday with any magic resistance.
You won’t meet me at my level because you are still in denial. Buu is all powerful. He was defeated by the Spirit Bomb, which is supposed to defeat those who are pure evil. The Spirit Bomb did not kill Frieza. Can you explain that?
DBZ was suppost to end at Frizza and remeber Frizza was suppost to be the strongest being in the univers so by not being killed by the spirit bomb that had the energy of everything in that solar system was just a way of showing how strong he was and how strong ssj1 was since that is how it was suppost to end with goku becoming the super sayin and beating Frizza
Kind of like DBZ could have ended when Goku was killed by Raditz, or by Cell? Those are two examples of when it could have ended. Either way, it didn’t kill him.
But it was litteraly suppost to end with Frizza it was even stated by the writer they just pushed him into continuing to do more.
NihilusRavager7780 wrote:
Then give me evidence to prove that he can defeat Doomsday. Doomsday has the DNA of Superman inside him, which means that he is just as powerful. You think he has a chance but you don’t know. You only say those claims because you are losing this debate and want him to win because he is from DBZ. Learn to live with it. DBZ characters are not the most powerful. They cannot defeat everyone.
I will try not meet you at your obvious level......
Darkseid that shot Omega beams at Doomsday was later retconned to be an avatar. The problem with Doomsday is that’s he’s written inconsistently, and I think Hunter/Prey and OWAW counteract each other - basically, Doomsday was written to extremes that he shouldn’t have been in H/P and was taken down a notch in OWAW. In reality, no being should be able to survive a black hole, or anti-matter, etc, but comic book characters do, for whatever ridiculous reason. But anyway, I didn’t think the guardians had magic powers? I thought they were just innate powers. But not magic. And I still don’t see how Doomsday would survive Buu’s magic. I don’t see Doomsday with any magic resistance.
You won’t meet me at my level because you are still in denial. Buu is all powerful. He was defeated by the Spirit Bomb, which is supposed to defeat those who are pure evil. The Spirit Bomb did not kill Frieza. Can you explain that?
DBZ was suppost to end at Frizza and remeber Frizza was suppost to be the strongest being in the univers so by not being killed by the spirit bomb that had the energy of everything in that solar system was just a way of showing how strong he was and how strong ssj1 was since that is how it was suppost to end with goku becoming the super sayin and beating Frizza
Kind of like DBZ could have ended when Goku was killed by Raditz, or by Cell? Those are two examples of when it could have ended. Either way, it didn’t kill him.
But it was litteraly suppost to end with Frizza it was even stated by the writer they just pushed him into continuing to do more.
That was in the “Super Otaku” magazine though I’m pretty sure, which isn’t real.
NihilusRavager7780 wrote:
Then give me evidence to prove that he can defeat Doomsday. Doomsday has the DNA of Superman inside him, which means that he is just as powerful. You think he has a chance but you don’t know. You only say those claims because you are losing this debate and want him to win because he is from DBZ. Learn to live with it. DBZ characters are not the most powerful. They cannot defeat everyone.
I will try not meet you at your obvious level......
Darkseid that shot Omega beams at Doomsday was later retconned to be an avatar. The problem with Doomsday is that’s he’s written inconsistently, and I think Hunter/Prey and OWAW counteract each other - basically, Doomsday was written to extremes that he shouldn’t have been in H/P and was taken down a notch in OWAW. In reality, no being should be able to survive a black hole, or anti-matter, etc, but comic book characters do, for whatever ridiculous reason. But anyway, I didn’t think the guardians had magic powers? I thought they were just innate powers. But not magic. And I still don’t see how Doomsday would survive Buu’s magic. I don’t see Doomsday with any magic resistance.
You won’t meet me at my level because you are still in denial. Buu is all powerful. He was defeated by the Spirit Bomb, which is supposed to defeat those who are pure evil. The Spirit Bomb did not kill Frieza. Can you explain that?
DBZ was suppost to end at Frizza and remeber Frizza was suppost to be the strongest being in the univers so by not being killed by the spirit bomb that had the energy of everything in that solar system was just a way of showing how strong he was and how strong ssj1 was since that is how it was suppost to end with goku becoming the super sayin and beating Frizza
Kind of like DBZ could have ended when Goku was killed by Raditz, or by Cell? Those are two examples of when it could have ended. Either way, it didn’t kill him.
But it was litteraly suppost to end with Frizza it was even stated by the writer they just pushed him into continuing to do more.
True. Even so, there are times when it could have ended. Just stating my point.
This battle belongs in so many ways to Buu....lets just take a look at spped shall we...
DD was fast as halve the speed of sound at the beginning of the comic, and got even faster and stronger at the end of the comic that superman had to increarse his speed to match doomsday. And on page 107 DD remembered that commercial about Metropolis. The sign said that it was 60miles to Metropolis, Superman said that 60miles was like Sixty paces to DD.
60 miles would be 60 millimeters to someone like Majin Buu, and that’s if he isn’t trying to go fast.
Even assuming (wishfull thinking ) that DD has the edge in strength, he has no energy attack to deal with Buu, he has nothing he can do to ward off a magic beam that will turn him into a delicious cookie snack, he has nothing that can deal with a planet busting explosion if Buu gets angry...or if Buu decides to absorb him and take his power.
Lemme break it down for you, from the start of Z, all the way to Buu:
Radditz could move faster than light, and could dodge energy attacks from a few paces away.
Vegeta was WAY faster than that, making Radditz look like a snail. At the beginning of Z, he was casually obliterating small planets with a moderate energy blast. His partner, Nappa, wasted an entire city about the size of Chicago with two fingers, in a time span of a few seconds.
When they fought Freiza, both Goku and Vegeta had GREATLY improved by several times their levels from before, and Freiza treated them like they were nothing in his final form. In his FIRST form, the first of FOUR, he was casually wasting HUGE planets with an energy attack that formed as if he was doing nothing more than BLINKING.
When Goku went Super Saiyan, Freiza was first matched, and then completely outclassed. Goku, and later, Trunks, both shrugged off everything Freiza threw at them from that point. Trunks even CAUGHT and TOOK Freiza’s planet busting attack, one that was several times the power that he used to blow up Planets Vegeta and Namek.
The Androids treated the entire Z-crew, including the Super Saiyans, as if they were as weak as kittens.
Perfect Cell was even faster and stronger than that. He made the amped-up version of a Super Saiyan (called an Ultimate Super Saiyan) cry.
Gohan went Super Saiyan 2, and slapped Cell around as if he were absolutely nothing.
When Gohan, as a teenager, first contended with Fat Buu, he was put down with ONE HIT. Just ONE. And Buu wasn’t even trying.
Watchman wrote:
This battle belongs in so many ways to Buu....lets just take a look at spped shall we...
DD was fast as halve the speed of sound at the beginning of the comic, and got even faster and stronger at the end of the comic that superman had to increarse his speed to match doomsday. And on page 107 DD remembered that commercial about Metropolis. The sign said that it was 60miles to Metropolis, Superman said that 60miles was like Sixty paces to DD.
60 miles would be 60 millimeters to someone like Majin Buu, and that’s if he isn’t trying to go fast.
Even assuming (wishfull thinking ) that DD has the edge in strength, he has no energy attack to deal with Buu, he has nothing he can do to ward off a magic beam that will turn him into a delicious cookie snack, he has nothing that can deal with a planet busting explosion if Buu gets angry...or if Buu decides to absorb him and take his power.
Lemme break it down for you, from the start of Z, all the way to Buu:
Radditz could move faster than light, and could dodge energy attacks from a few paces away.
Vegeta was WAY faster than that, making Radditz look like a snail. At the beginning of Z, he was casually obliterating small planets with a moderate energy blast. His partner, Nappa, wasted an entire city about the size of Chicago with two fingers, in a time span of a few seconds.
When they fought Freiza, both Goku and Vegeta had GREATLY improved by several times their levels from before, and Freiza treated them like they were nothing in his final form. In his FIRST form, the first of FOUR, he was casually wasting HUGE planets with an energy attack that formed as if he was doing nothing more than BLINKING.
When Goku went Super Saiyan, Freiza was first matched, and then completely outclassed. Goku, and later, Trunks, both shrugged off everything Freiza threw at them from that point. Trunks even CAUGHT and TOOK Freiza’s planet busting attack, one that was several times the power that he used to blow up Planets Vegeta and Namek.
The Androids treated the entire Z-crew, including the Super Saiyans, as if they were as weak as kittens.
Perfect Cell was even faster and stronger than that. He made the amped-up version of a Super Saiyan (called an Ultimate Super Saiyan) cry.
Gohan went Super Saiyan 2, and slapped Cell around as if he were absolutely nothing.
When Gohan, as a teenager, first contended with Fat Buu, he was put down with ONE HIT. Just ONE. And Buu wasn’t even trying.
doomsday has fuahgt as the flash
and yo uare also using non-canon sources, raditz being faster than light was a translation error, I dont believe it was in the manga
sigh....I know they were faster than light because Akira Toriyama - the man who created Dragonball - said they were. It was stated in the original manga. Radditz was that fast in the start of Z, and the characters just got faster from there.
And, the reason Goku needed instant transmission is because they only had faster than light REFLEXES and FIGHTING speed; travelling speed was a different matter all together. Instant Transmission was a method of long-distance travel.
Watchman wrote:
This battle belongs in so many ways to Buu....lets just take a look at spped shall we...
DD was fast as halve the speed of sound at the beginning of the comic, and got even faster and stronger at the end of the comic that superman had to increarse his speed to match doomsday. And on page 107 DD remembered that commercial about Metropolis. The sign said that it was 60miles to Metropolis, Superman said that 60miles was like Sixty paces to DD.
Fail.DD was said to be faster than Flash who is much faster than Sound.
Watchman wrote:
60 miles would be 60 millimeters to someone like Majin Buu, and that’s if he isn’t trying to go fast.
Yes lets also go its been pretty much proven they aren’t lightspeed so...
Watchman wrote:
Even assuming (wishfull thinking ) that DD has the edge in strength, he has no energy attack to deal with Buu, he has nothing he can do to ward off a magic beam that will turn him into a delicious cookie snack, he has nothing that can deal with a planet busting explosion if Buu gets angry...or if Buu decides to absorb him and take his power.
You are so biased its hilarious.Tell me any feats in DBZ that are anywhere close to Superman in strength who is inferior to Doomsday in strength.How many feats have been posted showing it won’t work.DD die from a planet buster?I don’t even think I need to continue.
Watchman wrote:
Radditz could move faster than light, and could dodge energy attacks from a few paces away.
Fail since that was stated in the ENGLISH DUB ONLY!.
Watchman wrote:
Vegeta was WAY faster than that, making Radditz look like a snail. At the beginning of Z, he was casually obliterating small planets with a moderate energy blast. His partner, Nappa, wasted an entire city about the size of Chicago with two fingers, in a time span of a few seconds.
The first part is pure fail since it was anime only.
Watchman wrote:
When they fought Freiza, both Goku and Vegeta had GREATLY improved by several times their levels from before, and Freiza treated them like they were nothing in his final form. In his FIRST form, the first of FOUR, he was casually wasting HUGE planets with an energy attack that formed as if he was doing nothing more than BLINKING.
Pure bullshit since the Bardock special is non-canon.
Watchman wrote:
When Goku went Super Saiyan, Freiza was first matched, and then completely outclassed. Goku, and later, Trunks, both shrugged off everything Freiza threw at them from that point. Trunks even CAUGHT and TOOK Freiza’s planet busting attack, one that was several times the power that he used to blow up Planets Vegeta and Namek.
Catching an attack doesn’t mean you can survive it.Trunks would have died from the explosion.
Watchman wrote:
The Androids treated the entire Z-crew, including the Super Saiyans, as if they were as weak as kittens.
Because the androids were stronger than them.
Watchman wrote:
Perfect Cell was even faster and stronger than that. He made the amped-up version of a Super Saiyan (called an Ultimate Super Saiyan) cry.
Because he was faster than them.
Watchman wrote:
Gohan went Super Saiyan 2, and slapped Cell around as if he were absolutely nothing.
When Gohan, as a teenager, first contended with Fat Buu, he was put down with ONE HIT. Just ONE. And Buu wasn’t even trying.
Watchman wrote:
This battle belongs in so many ways to Buu....lets just take a look at spped shall we...
DD was fast as halve the speed of sound at the beginning of the comic, and got even faster and stronger at the end of the comic that superman had to increarse his speed to match doomsday. And on page 107 DD remembered that commercial about Metropolis. The sign said that it was 60miles to Metropolis, Superman said that 60miles was like Sixty paces to DD.
60 miles would be 60 millimeters to someone like Majin Buu, and that’s if he isn’t trying to go fast.
Even assuming (wishfull thinking ) that DD has the edge in strength, he has no energy attack to deal with Buu, he has nothing he can do to ward off a magic beam that will turn him into a delicious cookie snack, he has nothing that can deal with a planet busting explosion if Buu gets angry...or if Buu decides to absorb him and take his power.
Lemme break it down for you, from the start of Z, all the way to Buu:
Radditz could move faster than light, and could dodge energy attacks from a few paces away.
Vegeta was WAY faster than that, making Radditz look like a snail. At the beginning of Z, he was casually obliterating small planets with a moderate energy blast. His partner, Nappa, wasted an entire city about the size of Chicago with two fingers, in a time span of a few seconds.
When they fought Freiza, both Goku and Vegeta had GREATLY improved by several times their levels from before, and Freiza treated them like they were nothing in his final form. In his FIRST form, the first of FOUR, he was casually wasting HUGE planets with an energy attack that formed as if he was doing nothing more than BLINKING.
When Goku went Super Saiyan, Freiza was first matched, and then completely outclassed. Goku, and later, Trunks, both shrugged off everything Freiza threw at them from that point. Trunks even CAUGHT and TOOK Freiza’s planet busting attack, one that was several times the power that he used to blow up Planets Vegeta and Namek.
The Androids treated the entire Z-crew, including the Super Saiyans, as if they were as weak as kittens.
Perfect Cell was even faster and stronger than that. He made the amped-up version of a Super Saiyan (called an Ultimate Super Saiyan) cry.
Gohan went Super Saiyan 2, and slapped Cell around as if he were absolutely nothing.
When Gohan, as a teenager, first contended with Fat Buu, he was put down with ONE HIT. Just ONE. And Buu wasn’t even trying.
doomsday has fuahgt as the flash
and yo uare also using non-canon sources, raditz being faster than light was a translation error, I dont believe it was in the manga
Watchman wrote:
sigh....I know they were faster than light because Akira Toriyama - the man who created Dragonball - said they were. It was stated in the original manga. Radditz was that fast in the start of Z, and the characters just got faster from there.
If your talking about that stupid interview its been proven its fake.Also Chibi just confirmed it wasn’t in the manga.
Watchman wrote:
And, the reason Goku needed instant transmission is because they only had faster than light REFLEXES and FIGHTING speed; travelling speed was a different matter all together. Instant Transmission was a method of long-distance travel.
Watchman wrote:
sigh....I know they were faster than light because Akira Toriyama - the man who created Dragonball - said they were. It was stated in the original manga. Radditz was that fast in the start of Z, and the characters just got faster from there.
And, the reason Goku needed instant transmission is because they only had faster than light REFLEXES and FIGHTING speed; travelling speed was a different matter all together. Instant Transmission was a method of long-distance travel.
You keep saying that but that does not make it true. You keep talking the talk but not walking the walk. Show me proof where Toriyama says that anyone from DBZ is faster than light.
Watchman wrote:
sigh....I know they were faster than light because Akira Toriyama - the man who created Dragonball - said they were. It was stated in the original manga. Radditz was that fast in the start of Z, and the characters just got faster from there.
And, the reason Goku needed instant transmission is because they only had faster than light REFLEXES and FIGHTING speed; travelling speed was a different matter all together. Instant Transmission was a method of long-distance travel.
Then why didn’t Piccolo mention ANYTHING about light(Except his technique name) when fighting Raditz?
Buu has x of times the speed of light fighting speeds and reflex speed. It doesn’t matter how upgraded you say Doomsday would be at this point, he’s NEVER demonstrated that he can move at speeds that FAR exceed LIGHT speed. Buu HAS demonstrated that when he trumped SSJ2 Gohan in speed and took him out with one hit. THAT’S the proof, right there, in black and white, in terms of FEATS.
I’d gladly change my mind if you can produce an example of a feat where Doomsday can fight or move at over x the speed of light.
Watchman wrote:
Buu has x of times the speed of light fighting speeds and reflex speed. It doesn’t matter how upgraded you say Doomsday would be at this point, he’s NEVER demonstrated that he can move at speeds that FAR exceed LIGHT speed. Buu HAS demonstrated that when he trumped SSJ2 Gohan in speed and took him out with one hit. THAT’S the proof, right there, in black and white, in terms of FEATS.
I’d gladly change my mind if you can produce an example of a feat where Doomsday can fight or move at over x the speed of light.
No one ever said that. You keep saying that Buu can move at the speed of light when no one fromDBZ can move at the speed of light, unless you show me evidence and not just claim that they are because you want them to win this debate.
Watchman wrote:
Buu has x of times the speed of light fighting speeds and reflex speed. It doesn’t matter how upgraded you say Doomsday would be at this point, he’s NEVER demonstrated that he can move at speeds that FAR exceed LIGHT speed. Buu HAS demonstrated that when he trumped SSJ2 Gohan in speed and took him out with one hit. THAT’S the proof, right there, in black and white, in terms of FEATS.
I’d gladly change my mind if you can produce an example of a feat where Doomsday can fight or move at over x the speed of light.
Once you can produce feats that say Fat buu can go lightspeed....You fail until you show me the manga scan that they say Raditz is faster than light, or ANY DBZ character is faster than light. Gotenks is the closest one and he isn’t lightspeed.
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