It is FACT that Majin Buu is faster. You argue that Doomsday was orginally as fast as sound, and that he has now increased his speed greatly. Fine. Lets say that Doomsday has gotten 100 (VERY generous) times faster. If he was originally the speed of sound, (760 mph, or since we’re comparing it to light, 1130 ft per sec) then his new, increased speed is 100 * 76,000 mph, or 21.4 miles/sec. Light travels at 180,000 MILES/SEC. It was stated in the manga by the CREATOR of DBZ that raditz is faster than light. Goku is MUCH faster than raditz. Therefore AT HIS SLOWEST showing in the beginning of the series, Goku is AT LEAST 180,000/21.4, or 8,411 times faster than Doomsday. And that is using Goku at his slowest when we all know he has become thousands of time faster. I will grant you that this is Goku’s fighting and reflex speed, not his flying speed. However, for long distance travel (as flying would be used for), Goku has IT. In addition, during the Buu saga, Gotenks was shown FLYING around the world several times in mere seconds. This is around light speed. And because SSJ4 Goku> Gotenks, Goku at SSJ 4 is also capable of reaching this speed during flight.
Why don’t the characters completely dissapear from the screen while fighting? Well, that wouldn’t make for much of a cartoon Why are they still hit by energy blasts? Some travel faster than light. I’ll refer you to the number of times that blast has made it from earth to the son in a few seconds (the blast that defeated cooler, the blast that defeated broly, babi...etc). It takes light 8 minutes to go from the sun to earth, so if a blast traveled the distance in a few seconds, it must be going faster than light, and therefore able to hit a character also capable of ftl speeds. Also, remember that it took something like 5 episdodes to show when Namek had 5 minutes left until it exploded, because they slowed it down that much...
is this proof for you or do you require scans that you usually dont deal with anyways........and please stop using this word FACT OR FAIL. GROW UP...As the man said opinions are assholes; they stink and everyone has one.....INCLUDING you objective DC fans
Watchman wrote:
It is FACT that Majin Buu is faster. You argue that Doomsday was orginally as fast as sound, and that he has now increased his speed greatly. Fine. Lets say that Doomsday has gotten 100 (VERY generous) times faster. If he was originally the speed of sound, (760 mph, or since we’re comparing it to light, 1130 ft per sec) then his new, increased speed is 100 * 76,000 mph, or 21.4 miles/sec. Light travels at 180,000 MILES/SEC. It was stated in the manga by the CREATOR of DBZ that raditz is faster than light. Goku is MUCH faster than raditz. Therefore AT HIS SLOWEST showing in the beginning of the series, Goku is AT LEAST 180,000/21.4, or 8,411 times faster than Doomsday. And that is using Goku at his slowest when we all know he has become thousands of time faster. I will grant you that this is Goku’s fighting and reflex speed, not his flying speed. However, for long distance travel (as flying would be used for), Goku has IT. In addition, during the Buu saga, Gotenks was shown FLYING around the world several times in mere seconds. This is around light speed. And because SSJ4 Goku> Gotenks, Goku at SSJ 4 is also capable of reaching this speed during flight.
Why don’t the characters completely dissapear from the screen while fighting? Well, that wouldn’t make for much of a cartoon Why are they still hit by energy blasts? Some travel faster than light. I’ll refer you to the number of times that blast has made it from earth to the son in a few seconds (the blast that defeated cooler, the blast that defeated broly, babi...etc). It takes light 8 minutes to go from the sun to earth, so if a blast traveled the distance in a few seconds, it must be going faster than light, and therefore able to hit a character also capable of ftl speeds. Also, remember that it took something like 5 episdodes to show when Namek had 5 minutes left until it exploded, because they slowed it down that much...
is this proof for you or do you require scans that you usually dont deal with anyways........and please stop using this word FACT OR FAIL. GROW UP...As the man said opinions are assholes; they stink and everyone has one.....INCLUDING you objective DC fans
Kind of like you who has the overrated opinion that Buu can destroy Doomsday without a problem, which you want to happen, but just doesn’t work that way. We need proof, evidence, and fact. No matter how much you hate to hear it, it is what will help in this debate.
Watchman wrote:
It is FACT that Majin Buu is faster.
Do I smell a hypocrite?
You argue that Doomsday was orginally as fast as sound, and that he has now increased his speed greatly. Fine. Lets say that Doomsday has gotten 100 (VERY generous) times faster.
lol, if he is as fast as Flash well...Flash moves more than 8 times lightspeed so you fail so miserably it isn’t funny.
If he was originally the speed of sound, (760 mph, or since we’re comparing it to light, 1130 ft per sec) then his new, increased speed is 100 * 76,000 mph, or 21.4 miles/sec.
And Goku at the beginning was not even sound speed. You fail because your assuming he only got a 100 times increase.
Light travels at 180,000 MILES/SEC. It was stated in the manga by the CREATOR of DBZ that raditz is faster than light.
WRONG. If anything it would have been stated by piccolo which it wasn’t you fail yet again.
Goku is MUCH faster than raditz. Therefore AT HIS SLOWEST showing in the beginning of the series, Goku is AT LEAST 180,000/21.4, or 8,411 times faster than Doomsday.
BY YOUR WRONG ASSUMPTIONS THAT HAVE FAILED ALREADY.
And that is using Goku at his slowest when we all know he has become thousands of time faster.
Oh so he got slower than his kid form? Cool.
I will grant you that this is Goku’s fighting and reflex speed, not his flying speed. However, for long distance travel (as flying would be used for), Goku has IT. In addition, during the Buu saga, Gotenks was shown FLYING around the world several times in mere seconds.
CLOSE? haha. Then why when he landed did he almost immidiatly unfuse?
This is around light speed. And because SSJ4 Goku> Gotenks, Goku at SSJ 4 is also capable of reaching this speed during flight.
Assunubg they even do go lightspeed, this is fat buu not SSJ4 GOku.
Why don’t the characters completely dissapear from the screen while fighting? Well, that wouldn’t make for much of a cartoon Why are they still hit by energy blasts? Some travel faster than light.
YOU HAVE NO PROOF. Fail again.
I’ll refer you to the number of times that blast has made it from earth to the son in a few seconds (the blast that defeated cooler, the blast that defeated broly, babi...etc). It takes light 8 minutes to go from the sun to earth, so if a blast traveled the distance in a few seconds, it must be going faster than light, and therefore able to hit a character also capable of ftl speeds.
ALL NON-Can. FAIL again.
Also, remember that it took something like 5 episdodes to show when Namek had 5 minutes left until it exploded, because they slowed it down that much...
Anime time /= our time.
is this proof for you or do you require scans that you usually dont deal with anyways........and please stop using this word FACT OR FAIL. GROW UP...As the man said opinions are assholes; they stink and everyone has one.....INCLUDING you objective DC fans
Kind of like you who has the overrated opinion that Buu can destroy Doomsday without a problem, which you want to happen, but just doesn’t work that way. We need proof, evidence, and fact. No matter how much you hate to hear it, it is what will help in this debate. Not complete hogwash opinions.
i still wont meet you at your level...
As for strength, there is a question in my mind that the latter incarnations of Doomsday, maybe physically stronger than Goku. That said, I believe there is a larger discrepency between Goku’s lifting strength and his hitting strength than any other character in existence. For example, SSJ 4 Goku can barely lift a city, which is nothing compared to a planet. Yet normal state and JJ1 Goku traded blows with Super Android 17 that were powerful enough to knock each other into space. As a side note, I remember an episode of Samurai Jack where he could not lift a stone at all. His challenger weighed 20 stones, and Jack proved himself by picking up and throwing in a karate style throw, his challenger farther than any had yet previously thrown the stone. Now, I realize that has nothing to do with DBZ. But my point is that in the martial arts there seems to be a belief that one can hit or throw with hundreds or as I believe in Goku’s case, with his training and ability to focus ki, hundreds of thousands times more force than one can lift. Another example to back this up is that normal state Goku caught a mountain that frieza threw at him. His power level was below 200 thousand. Accordingly, SSJ4 Goku should be able to easily throw around at least continents, seeing as how is power level is millions of times higher. However, he cannot. A likely explantion for this could be that Goku’s power has indeed increased dramatically, but in his abiltity to strike, not his ability to lift.
Kind of like you who has the overrated opinion that Buu can destroy Doomsday without a problem, which you want to happen, but just doesn’t work that way. We need proof, evidence, and fact. No matter how much you hate to hear it, it is what will help in this debate. Not complete hogwash opinions.
i still wont meet you at your level...
As for strength, there is a question in my mind that the latter incarnations of Doomsday, maybe physically stronger than Goku. That said, I believe there is a larger discrepency between Goku’s lifting strength and his hitting strength than any other character in existence. For example, SSJ 4 Goku can barely lift a city, which is nothing compared to a planet. Yet normal state and JJ1 Goku traded blows with Super Android 17 that were powerful enough to knock each other into space. As a side note, I remember an episode of Samurai Jack where he could not lift a stone at all. His challenger weighed 20 stones, and Jack proved himself by picking up and throwing in a karate style throw, his challenger farther than any had yet previously thrown the stone. Now, I realize that has nothing to do with DBZ. But my point is that in the martial arts there seems to be a belief that one can hit or throw with hundreds or as I believe in Goku’s case, with his training and ability to focus ki, hundreds of thousands times more force than one can lift. Another example to back this up is that normal state Goku caught a mountain that frieza threw at him. His power level was below 200 thousand. Accordingly, SSJ4 Goku should be able to easily throw around at least continents, seeing as how is power level is millions of times higher. However, he cannot. A likely explantion for this could be that Goku’s power has indeed increased dramatically, but in his abiltity to strike, not his ability to lift.
SSJ4 lifted a city, and is non canon, which is a what if. It would not help here. And you won’t meet at my level because you are ignorant and can’t admit that Buu will not win this battle. You are keeping something alive that needs to die and be locked.
please, if you cant respond responsibily then dont say anything...I know how heated things can get but dont pretend to know all, and scoff at others because you dont agree...
Watchman wrote:
please, if you cant respond responsibily then dont say anything...I know how heated things can get but dont pretend to know all, and scoff at others because you dont agree...
have some class!!!
or just buy yourself a coke and smile..
If you can’t respond with evidence for your side don’t say anything at all. I know how irratating deluded fanboys can get, don’t be one of them.
Watchman wrote:
please, if you cant respond responsibily then dont say anything...I know how heated things can get but dont pretend to know all, and scoff at others because you dont agree...
have some class!!!
or just buy yourself a coke and smile..
There you go insulting again. You should have more class since you want to debate on this topic of your choice. I am responding responsibly. If you can’t take it, then don’t post here. I don’t know all. If I did, I would tell you to your face. And get back on topic with the debate.
From what I can see it ends up as a draw. Buu has nothing that can kill Doomsday (even this “turning him into candy” thing, as he has, after all, resisted magic times before) but Buu has the regenerative factor that would render practically all of Doomsday’s attacks futile.
Tyreaus wrote:
From what I can see it ends up as a draw. Buu has nothing that can kill Doomsday (even this “turning him into candy” thing, as he has, after all, resisted magic times before) but Buu has the regenerative factor that would render practically all of Doomsday’s attacks futile.
It should just end like the first one did, as a a draw. I agree with you. We do not need another Goku vs Superman debate. Know what I mean?
Tyreaus wrote:
From what I can see it ends up as a draw. Buu has nothing that can kill Doomsday (even this “turning him into candy” thing, as he has, after all, resisted magic times before) but Buu has the regenerative factor that would render practically all of Doomsday’s attacks futile.
It should just end like the first one did, as a a draw. I agree with you. We do not need another Goku vs Superman debate. Know what I mean?
I suppose. See, from what I can tell, a lot of Doomsday vs topics will end up with a draw. The abilities the opponent has, Doomsday will have already encountered, but that same character will have defencive abilities to counteract most of Doomsday’s attacks because his strength is primarily in the fact that he can survive so much. His offencive techniques aren’t as powerful compared to that and it’s really limited even then that most characters could easily break through Doomsday’s offences.
Tyreaus wrote:
From what I can see it ends up as a draw. Buu has nothing that can kill Doomsday (even this “turning him into candy” thing, as he has, after all, resisted magic times before) but Buu has the regenerative factor that would render practically all of Doomsday’s attacks futile.
It should just end like the first one did, as a a draw. I agree with you. We do not need another Goku vs Superman debate. Know what I mean?
I suppose. See, from what I can tell, a lot of Doomsday vs topics will end up with a draw. The abilities the opponent has, Doomsday will have already encountered, but that same character will have defencive abilities to counteract most of Doomsday’s attacks because his strength is primarily in the fact that he can survive so much. His offencive techniques aren’t as powerful compared to that and it’s really limited even then that most characters could easily break through Doomsday’s offences.
There you go insulting again. You should have more class since you want to debate on this topic of your choice. I am responding responsibly. If you can’t take it, then don’t post here. I don’t know all. If I did, I would tell you to your face. And get back on topic with the debate.
insulting again.........?are you kiddin...supes fans stick together i guess....
»
VS. Forum
» Doomsday V Majin Buu
Why are they still hit by energy blasts? Some travel faster than light. I’ll refer you to the number of times that blast has made it from earth to the son in a few seconds (the blast that defeated cooler, the blast that defeated broly, babi...etc). It takes light 8 minutes to go from the sun to earth, so if a blast traveled the distance in a few seconds, it must be going faster than light, and therefore able to hit a character also capable of ftl speeds. Also, remember that it took something like 5 episdodes to show when Namek had 5 minutes left until it exploded, because they slowed it down that much...
