However, if Choas is no longer a limit break in DoC then what is to say that Omnislash is still a limit break? After all, Cloud does not have a limit bar filling up during Advent Children and he uses it in that.
Omnislash and all Cloud’s other Limit’s appear in a blue aura throughout AC when he is surpassing his limit’s (smacking Bahumut Sin down/Braver, stoping Loz land slide/Blade Beam, Defeating Bahamut Sin/Climhazard, vanquishing Sephiroth/Omnislash V5).
Shelk’s ability work’s by draining MP (Mako Power) from a high mako source like the DG Mako reactor’s, away from them the ability wouldent work to well as it take’s a vast amount of MP to use her ability’s (invisability,Mako drain,SND,Coulerless Form), so outside DG she must limit herself to what she can use (mabe only being able to use the ability once) however Weiss has all DG Tsveit’s ability’s and dousent require large ammount’s of Mako to sustain his existence like Shelk douse, so in this fight he can use it more freely.
Shelk hack’s Shinra top secret file’s in under 10 second’s and demonstrate’s the power of the coulerless form against the player (an ex 1st Class General turned Tsveit)
As for the ability in question she drain’s and nullify’s the user’s energy (MP) so he/she cannot use the ability they were attempting to use (this tech wouldent work on Chaos for Three reason’s in DoC).
1. He can create his own Mako Feild useing prota materia and other high source’s of mako (Weiss’s Reactor)
2. And drain another’s Mako Power directly (Azul’s)
3. Also Chaos was made a seperate entity in DoC with it’s own Power supply to call on as Vincent is seen harnessing it in his natural State against Weiss, Omnislash and other assorted Limit’s run of Cloud’s own power supply.
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Isn’t it gathered from here Cloud isnt as good as Chaos or Weiss?
I mean why douse everyone leave it to Vincent to save the world if Cloud could have won the battle?, i mean all their live’s were on the line and all of Gaia’s if he failed right?
Also another point is this, Rosso the Crimson is seen here entering combat with Cloud
Yet here she is fine calm and collected, haveing been their for awhile killing WRO troop’s unscathed from battle against Cloud.
Notice when Vincent beat’s her she cannot handle the fact their was someone stronger outside of Deep Ground than her (she utter’s the word’s “Someone stronger than...ABSURED”, indicateing Cloud was not as she had already fought him and show’s no sighn’s of haveing lost the battle, (also she show’s that she is worn out after fighting Vincent, probably due to going alout in Blood Burst Form something she wasn’t seen useing against Cloud) again good reason for her to be shocked at the fact someone outside DG was stronger than her.
Most of all i noticed that here fighting Restrictor she become’s enraged after loseing and can’t handle it,
And again here vsing Weiss with Azul’s help she become’s enraged when they cannot win and are considered a warm up to him, Weiss haveing just owned an ex 1st Class General like nothing (the same one who kill’s Restrictor in the end) showing just how strong he is considering these event’s take place before FFVII.
So the fact she show’s no sighn’s of injury or unhinged rage when she see’s Vincent indicate’s she dident lose to Cloud, but the fact Cloud lived show’s she was unable to kill Cloud also so this make’s it a kind of stalemate as neither won the fight.
New information was released tho saying Cloud was able to fend her of feircely witch say’s two thing’s,
1. Cloud could beat her
2. he used alot of force in fending her off
It’s only speculation to guess if he could beat her tho for real as many belive she marely left to go find Vincent as that was her prime directive following Weiss’s order’s, but we know Vincent could take her best effort for a fact so is Cloud really that much stronger than Vincent to be able to topple Weiss?...i don’t think so IMO.
This is the main point my freind Cloud only beat Sephiroth cus of CIS and PIS hypotheticaly Cloud is curbstomped by Sephiroth without much trouble.
So cronicaly Cloud isn’t really that strong and hasn’t the ability to take Weiss down in all factor’s of Strenth Durability speed and power, without Weiss holding back Cloud hasn’t a prayer of winning as Weiss has him beat on all angle’s in this fight, plus as you said i don’t see a big enough gap between Cloud and Vincent base form for him to even challenge Weiss in a fair fight, (even before FFVII Weiss was way stronger than Cloud by mile’s handing Azul and Rosso their full powered asse’s respectfuly lol).
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You have a lot of good points, but Weiss is all hyperbole really, overpowered by neccessity. The only reason Cloud doesn’t whup him along with the other Tsviets is that Square had already made the mistake of casting Vincent as the main character.
I’ll just agree to disagree for now, but I think we’ll see the truth when the next game is out. Roll on august announcements...
Of course, I’m sure Buster will have some good points to make here long before that. Don’t make me a liar dude...
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Cloud can’t beat Weiss cus he is overpowered by neccessity? and Vincent’s the main charicter?
Yes, that’s exactly what I said. They esentially had to downpower Cloud for DoC in order to justify Vincent being the protagonist (not to mention, how cringeworthy was tht lame “Go Vincent! Yeah!" scene?). Either that or we’ll find out he was doing more important things at the time. Either way, Cloud is the main character of the series and he will emerge on top in the end. It’s bound to happen.
Kyle Knight wrote:
Cloud can’t beat Weiss cus he is overpowered by neccessity? and Vincent’s the main charicter?
Yes, that’s exactly what I said. They esentially had to downpower Cloud for DoC in order to justify Vincent being the protagonist (not to mention, how cringeworthy was tht lame “Go Vincent! Yeah!" scene?). Either that or we’ll find out he was doing more important things at the time. Either way, Cloud is the main character of the series and he will emerge on top in the end. It’s bound to happen.
If anything Cloud should be more powerful given the extra year he had to train, he isn’t going to go rusty when Sephiroth said “i will never be just a memory” is he?, so likely Chaos Vincent is more powerful than Cloud given feat’s shown throughout the game and the whole relying on him to save the earth part.
It’s a strech to assume Cloud is any sort of match for either hypotheticaly as his best feat is a mere fluke against Sephiroth not useing his FULL ability against Cloud, plus he is sorely outmatched in most factor’s against Weiss anyway as Weiss before VII was > Cloud by some margin even overlooking Omega Weiss dude.
Infact Vincent kinda was the only one who could beat Nero’s darkness with Chaos own darkness and take down Weiss useing the prota materia to enter Omega or even stop Omega’s accent by Kamakazeing himself (Vincent haveing a durable enough body to survive such a feat), So Destroying the reactor’s was kinda all Cloud could really do along with the other cast member’s.
But i also anticipate the battle’s to come in future now Chaos is out of the picture and Weiss and Genesis appear to have more in store for us.
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Let me just clear up two things, Vincent is not the main protagonist of VII.
And Cloud DID beat Rosso. People can say she was fine all they want, but they forget he beat her in broad daylight, she came to Vincent when it was dark.
And I lol at Cloud not beating Weiss. It’s funny how everyone just brushes off Omnislash, when Cloud was keeping with Sephiroth until he got fatigued. All this Sephiroth playing bollocks makes me sick. He kept up with the best and beat him, there is NO reason why he can’t do the same for something less powerful.
On and Cloud IS physically stronger than Weiss.
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Cloud is a tool in battle no doubt and defeating Sephiroth is no small task no matter how much of his true power he really used in that fight.
but Cloud isn’t Sephiroth capability’s wise Buster you know that better than most, so hypotheticaly Cloud beating Sephiroth shouldent even be debated as we all no the outcome alout Sephiroth is the grand daddy in FFVIIverse.
The issue i think everyone is going over tho is Sephiroth has history with Cloud and ddent use his full ability’s to show him up (as we know he is arrogant) yet Weiss would have no real reason to hold back on Cloud, that’s what i gather.
How is Cloud stronger again?
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Yea i don’t think Rosso can beat Cloud lol just i don’t think Cloud pwned her by the effort that statement has him useing, also i really don’t seehim that much stronger than Vincent or Restrictor if at all to be able to go toe to toe with Weiss (who beat the Restrictor’s before FFVII and before he became Omega Weiss).
It’s not a diss on Cloud’s ability i just find it hard to belive he is that much more powerful since AC lol, he is good don’t get me wrong but i have read somewere that the restrictor’s were ubove the 13th unit of solider who were the best ubove 1st Class solider’s even, and defeated them in one night so Weiss must be pretty awsome to have had them in fear and beat them all.
I thought Weiss was alot stronger than Cloud if he has all the Tsveit’s ability’s, meaning Azul’s strenth (witch punched through 3 reinforced door’s squishing the WRO troop’s like grape’s lol) and diden’t he block Arch Azul’s (transformed state) attack’s saying that he wasn’t even a warm up? if so that’s pretty badass for a guy back before FFVII.
Ohh im not brushing of Omnislash just that Weiss can Multi Form so Cloud can’t hit all of them plus he has a near indestructable body to withstand the Lifestream, and another point we were considering is the fact SHelk has the ability to go invisable and stop Limit Break’s (witch mean’s Weiss douse also as the only gift’s he was stated not to poses are Nero’s Darkness witch he now may have, or Azul’s metamorphisis tech).
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Cloud is a tool in battle no doubt and defeating Sephiroth is no small task no matter how much of his true power he really used in that fight.
Tool? What? So you are saying it’s easy to beat the most powerful in VII? I guess it’s even easier to beat Weiss and Chaos then.
but Cloud isn’t Sephiroth capability’s wise Buster you know that better than most, so hypotheticaly Cloud beating Sephiroth shouldent even be debated as we all no the outcome alout Sephiroth is the grand daddy in FFVIIverse.
I never said Cloud would beat Sephiroth, but the fact that he can stay up with him in terms of physical power, says something because that is all Weiss is really limited to.
The issue i think everyone is going over tho is Sephiroth has history with Cloud and ddent use his full ability’s to show him up (as we know he is arrogant) yet Weiss would have no real reason to hold back on Cloud, that’s what i gather.
Again Sephiroth didn’t hold back in the physical department which is what only Weiss can really do. Besides Omega Weiss isn’t even Weiss.
How is Cloud stronger again?
What has Weiss done to even show he’s phsycally stronger than say Barret? Remember Biggs?
Yea i don’t think Rosso can beat Cloud lol just i don’t think Cloud pwned her by the effort that statement has him useing, also i really don’t seehim that much stronger than Vincent or Restrictor if at all to be able to go toe to toe with Weiss (who beat the Restrictor’s before FFVII and before he became Omega Weiss).
The only Tsviet who can take Cloud is Weiss imo. He went toe on toe with Sephiroth, and that is why he can go toe on toe with anyone, everyone is forgeting that Weiss can’t warp speed without Omegas power, something Base Sephiroth was doing.
It’s not a diss on Cloud’s ability i just find it hard to belive he is that much more powerful since AC lol, he is good don’t get me wrong but i have read somewere that the restrictor’s were ubove the 13th unit of solider who were the best ubove 1st Class solider’s even, and defeated them in one night so Weiss must be pretty awsome to have had them in fear and beat them all.
Avalanche defeated the whole of Midgar in one night, they beat pretty much every class of SOLDIER, remember AC Cloud > VII Cloud.
I thought Weiss was alot stronger than Cloud if he has all the Tsveit’s ability’s, meaning Azul’s strenth (witch punched through 3 reinforced door’s squishing the WRO troop’s like grape’s lol) and diden’t he block Arch Azul’s (transformed state) attack’s saying that he wasn’t even a warm up? if so that’s pretty badass for a guy back before FFVII.
Azul isn’t stronger than Sephiroth, Cloud was able to parry his attacks. Remember how Sephiroth sets buildings on fire by slicing them? Cloud did the same, which I’m not saying Cloud is as strong as Sephrioth, but he is strong non the less. Yeah Weiss is badass but then again so is Cloud lol, he’s just more of a prettier badass lol.
Ohh im not brushing of Omnislash just that Weiss can Multi Form so Cloud can’t hit all of them plus he has a near indestructable body to withstand the Lifestream, and another point we were considering is the fact SHelk has the ability to go invisable and stop Limit Break’s (witch mean’s Weiss douse also as the only gift’s he was stated not to poses are Nero’s Darkness witch he now may have, or Azul’s metamorphisis tech).
Well I was just generalising about the Omnislash thing tbh. Yeah Weiss is durbale but he isn’t the most durable, remember Sephiroth could do the same in VII, he got owned, he’s more powerful in AC, and he got owned again. Well maybe Shelkes limit breaks can stop Omnislash, but that does not mean permenantly I’m sure, and Weiss wouldn’t really know when he was doing the tech. Yeah invisibility gives Weiss an advantage.
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, indicateing Cloud was not as she had already fought him and show’s no sighn’s of haveing lost the battle, (also she show’s that she is worn out after fighting Vincent, probably due to going alout in Blood Burst Form something she wasn’t seen useing against Cloud) again good reason for her to be shocked at the fact someone outside DG was stronger than her.
