Cloud beat Sephiroth we all no this but the circumstance of him winning are due to Sephiroth’s arrogance if they had fought without this factor Sephiroth would have won without a shadow of a doubt?, as we could already see he wasnt haveing any trouble fighting Cloud yet Cloud was giveing his all
Cloud loses to Sephiroth, I don’t think ANYBODY denies that, it’s the fact that he didn’t go as easily as people think he did, there is also the fact that he soloed VII Sephiroth who you could actually say is on par with even Omega Weiss. Cloud gets fatigued because, you know human, Sephiroth hardly grunts because of what he is, he doesn’t run out of energy period, and ther’s also the fact that Cloud was fighting before hand too.
Now as for Russo vs Cloud this was alittle more equal due to being a year later all we gather is Cloud fought her off feircely yet the next we hear or see of them both are fine Russo is relaxed and unhindered from battle likewise is Cloud, now the time span in witch the battle was fought could have only lasted a few minute’s before leaveing to face Vincent (her primary directive) so the fact Cloud fought her of would logicaly be due to her wanting to face Vincent more so (this is backed by her showing up to fight Vincent all fine and dandy showing no major battle had fatiuged her in anyway).
Rosso and Cloud being equal should never go in the same sentence. Cloud beats her, I don’t know what you can say to counter it when SE says he beats her. And lmao you are saying that Cloud didn’t really affect her? Is that why she runs to Vincent instead? I could easily say she wnet to Vincent because he was more of a challenege, and LOL Bahamut and Remnants > Rosso. Not to even mention SEPHIROTH.
Now she fought to kill Vincent and after the battle she indeed show’s sighn’s of fatiuge even after useing BloodBurst Form, yet Vincent is resserved and unhindered showing Vincent Base>Russo Blood Burst makeing Him very close to Cloud who fought her of ferociously as you say yet Vincent Russo Azul none could even touch Base Weiss
Lets not forget Vincnet has materia. When Vincent can solo remnants, Bahamut and Sephiroth with no materia, then you can say Vincent is in the same league as Cloud.
Base Weiss 3yr’s prior these event’s owned Russo and Azul together with one arm not Omega Weiss and he had no doubt became much stronger in DoC (so no matter if Cloud did beat Russo the fact it took effort and she was unhindered compared with Weiss not even trying and humiliateing her best effort with Azul to boot 3yrs prior show he is far superior to Cloud), demonstrated by completely owning Vincent who couldent even touch Weiss without envokeing Chaos so Cloud fought Russo with some difficulty she was owned by Vincent who intern couldent touch Weiss proveing Base Weiss>Cloud DoC (If you don’t agree prove Cloud is >Vincent)
Base Sephiroth is over Base Weiss, your point? You forget nobody bar Genesis was in Sephiroth’s league and having said that Sephiroth was dicking Genesis. It doesn’t matter if it took effort, he beat her, and that is that, and you are talking as if Rosso is like some remnant, which Cloud has pwned two in one go. In VII Cloud owned Sephiroth, which is a greater feat than ANYTHING Weiss has owned, lets not forget AC. They never said it was difficult for Cloud, stop making that up, they said he beat her HARD. Yet again Base Sephiroth would destroy Base Weiss, lol Base Sephiroth was warp speediing in CC, his much weaker form.
Prove that Cloud would destroy Vincnet? What exactly is Vincent goiing to do to Cloud?
Now this is Hyporthetical battle so neither have cause to hold back, and you speak of Sephiroth being over everybody yet he was beaten 3 time’s by a weaker warrior (proveing power dousent = victory in FF) and has shown very little of his so called ability so may i ask what make’s you think Sephiroth is over everyone in every aspect as the Creator’s have never said that?
I know hypothetically Sephiroth ahs no reason to hold back, and that is why Weiss loses. He gets beaten by Omnislash, you talk as if it’s some cheap move or something.
Why is Sephiroth more powerful other than the creators saying so? I think you re-look at his abilities.
Telekenesis
Telepathy
Illusion
Intangibilty
Warp Speed (in base form)
Shape shifting
Negative Lifestream (pretty much any spell because condensed lifestream = materia)
More durable than the planet (lets not forget he was going to ABSORB the wholes lifestream, something whci fucked Cloud up.
2. Russo is a Tsveite mate she douse what Weiss want’s and Weiss wanted Vincent so she went for Vincent (her primary target) the fact she is fine and Cloud is fine just show’s that their battle was neither long or epic draining neither’s stamina or wounding them, now ill admit Cloud probably got the better of her as it state’s but it dousent say he pwned her completely only that he used effort to win.
All the tsveit’s could beat the Remnant’s lmao Nero would crush all of them at once Russo Can Multiply herself into three and Azul is far stronger plus he can tranceform, i dare say a fully makonized Shelke could battle them (see DoC Online)if it’s a battle Remnant’s Vs Deep Ground i welcome it, as for Vincent nuff said.
3. When Cloud can Solo Weiss let me know
4. Yes Genesis was on par with Sephiroth, Weiss evolved from Genesis your point? Russo can beat any Remnant as she fight’s a stronger Cloud in DoC need i mention she can seperate into 3 each possesing warp speed, Owned did you just say Cloud owned Sephiroth?, give your eye’s a rub and pay attention buddy Cloud was getting owned by Sephiroth because Sephiroth>Cloud Weiss is better than Cloud because in base he can fight of 3 Russo and Azul without even trying (he actually split’s into 3 like Russo and is stronger than Azul tranceformed) and he can fight on par with Chaos who>Cloud dont you see Weiss is alredy over Cloud to begin with but Omega Weiss is just suicide his warp speed is ubove Russo’s come Omega Weiss it’s just unreal to think of.
5. and were douse it say Omni-Slash is the only way to beat Sephiroth it’s a sword moveing really fast cutting him up???, Weiss douse poses Spiritual ability’s or did you miss these,
Weiss ability’s:
1. Strenth surpassing a Tranceformed Azul(feat’s can be provided)
2. Speed greater than Blood Burst Russo (in base he could match her due to haveing her ability’s, Omega Weiss break’s these Feat can be provided)
3. Nero’s Darkness (they have Fused logicaly he can use it now)
4. Near Invunrable body (survive’s Omega’s destruction, Vincent’s Bullet’s so forth without a scratch)
5. Intangibility (seen when fighting Chaos and avoid’s a point blanker from the death penalty, seen going through his intangible head Chaos can also be seen useing this ability)
6. Multiply (seen V Russo and Azul)
7. Weiss also hold’s the most power of the Tsveit’s (his experiment was to be the ultimate powerhouse, witch made him perfect for houseing Omega’s might)
8. Unsure were to put these but Weiss is able to will himself back into existence like Sephiroth after joining the lifestream to become one with Omega, and another Summoning forth the Omega Shell (seen fighting Chaos)
9. He has a barrior (seen repelling Vincent enraged in DoC)
10. Can absorb Vast quantity’s of energy (seen sapping the Lifestream when he awaken’s)
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ChibiDiscoDhaos wrote:
It doesn’t matter because Sephiroth has no reason to hold back, and since he is the best in FF7 he wins automatically.
Weiss is the shadow of Shinra Sephiroth was their poster Boy, both are probably equal’s after Omega Weiss edge going to Weiss because untill we see what he can really do it’s open to debate weather or not he is faster or stronger than Weiss is.
Weiss knew about Sephiroth so why is he called the emporer of all Solider?, that one will never make sence to me, Sephiroth had no idea of DG so sure why not hink he was the best
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ChibiDiscoDhaos wrote:
It doesn’t matter because Sephiroth has no reason to hold back, and since he is the best in FF7 he wins automatically.
Weiss is the shadow of Shinra Sephiroth was their poster Boy, both are probably equal’s after Omega Weiss edge going to Weiss because untill we see what he can really do it’s open to debate weather or not he is faster or stronger than Weiss is.
Weiss knew about Sephiroth so why is he called the emporer of all Solider?, that one will never make sence to me, Sephiroth had no idea of DG so sure why not hink he was the best
He is...The creators have said there is noone above him. He is above the planet even. Something Omega Weiss wasn’t. Has Weiss ever pushed back Holy or anything close to it’s power? No. His mind is very weak aswell, Hojo took his body over.
Your seriously underestimating Sephiroth. The CREATORS said that Sephiroth is the strongest. He isn’t on par with Weiss. He is above him.
Actually im not underestimateing anyone Weiss was one with Omega witch shit’s on Holy by way of it couldent stop Meteor fall either without what?, the LIFESTREAM witch was absorbed by who?, yes Omega witch intern went into who...Weiss!, and who want’s the Lifestream but has never attained it....Sephiroth yay i like logic^^
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Kyle Knight wrote:
Actually im not underestimateing anyone Weiss was one with Omega witch shit’s on Holy by way of it couldent stop Meteor fall either without what?, the LIFESTREAM witch was absorbed by who?, yes Omega witch intern went into who...Weiss!, and who want’s the Lifestream but has never attained it....Sephiroth yay i like logic^^
Sephiroth got control of the lifestream and Holy was to late to stop it anyway.
Sephiroth dousent control the Lifestream and cannot makeing him weaker than the planet,
Imagine it like this The Negative Lifestream was fought of by the Pure Lifestream witch Sephiroth wanted control.
if Sephiroth had control over it he would be able to control it now correct?, yet he can’t meaning he fall’s under the law’s of this world because he cannot overcome it and reform himself without J-Cell’s and a host on witch he can control with his immence will.
Omega can take absulute control at will tho^^
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Now Omega can control and gather all life it is called the Ultimate Lifeform and Weiss became one with it, now thing’s to note
Sephiroth’s plan failed badly in VII/AC however Genesis is behind the event’s of DoC and he is much smarter than Sephiroth (he outsmart’s him in CC driveing him mad) his plan conserning host’s Weiss and Body of Omega worked as Weiss is near Indestructable and can harness vast ammount’s of energy.
Now Genesis is smarter and behind almost every aspect of FFVII as thing’s are forming to his will it seem’s so if Sephiroth and Genesis plan’s were to be compared id say Genesis was more accurate when makeing the ultimate being (Weiss) and Sephiroth went the wrong way trying to consume it himself.
And another point if Omega was absorbing the whole Lifestream why couldent Sephiroth stop him as he too would be left to die in the void’s of space?
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“It is better to die on your feet like a man, than to live life on your knee’s like a fucking dog"
Now Omega can control and gather all life it is called the Ultimate Lifeform and Weiss became one with it, now thing’s to note
Sephiroth’s plan failed badly in VII/AC however Genesis is behind the event’s of DoC and he is much smarter than Sephiroth (he outsmart’s him in CC driveing him mad) his plan conserning host’s Weiss and Body of Omega worked as Weiss is near Indestructable and can harness vast ammount’s of energy.
Now Genesis is smarter and behind almost every aspect of FFVII as thing’s are forming to his will it seem’s so if Sephiroth and Genesis plan’s were to be compared id say Genesis was more accurate when makeing the ultimate being (Weiss) and Sephiroth went the wrong way trying to consume it himself.
And another point if Omega was absorbing the whole Lifestream why couldent Sephiroth stop him as he too would be left to die in the void’s of space?
Genesis is not behind DoC. Hojo was. Just because he made an appearance at the end does not mean he planned it all along. But Weiss IS made from Genesis' cells.
Weiss, as his name implies, has no stagnant mako inside him. Therefore, he is a suitable host to Omega- Not because he’s powerful.
Deepground did not initiate its plans until few years after Sephiroth’s death. (Around the time Hojo took over Weiss' unconscious and began to act as a leader of Deepground)
Hojo’s plan and Sephiroth’s plan were both stupid and idiotic to the point that it’s not badass at all.
And I thought Omega was only absorbing the pure Lifestream, in contrast to Sephiroth absorbing negative Lifestream.
Kyle Knight wrote:
I can accept that Im on about Omega Weiss lol
You have to accept the creator’s word. Which is that there is noone above Sephiroth. Why didn’t Sephiroth stop Weiss? Because he didn’t want to apperently.
Kyle Knight wrote:
I can accept that Im on about Omega Weiss lol
You have to accept the creator’s word. Which is that there is noone above Sephiroth. Why didn’t Sephiroth stop Weiss? Because he didn’t want to apperently.
Kyle Knight wrote:
I can accept that Im on about Omega Weiss lol
You have to accept the creator’s word. Which is that there is noone above Sephiroth. Why didn’t Sephiroth stop Weiss? Because he didn’t want to apperently.
I thought Sephiroth did not know about Weiss. :/
Well when he became Omega Weiss, I figure Sephiroth would have figured it out.
Kyle Knight wrote:
I can accept that Im on about Omega Weiss lol
You have to accept the creator’s word. Which is that there is noone above Sephiroth. Why didn’t Sephiroth stop Weiss? Because he didn’t want to apperently.
I thought Sephiroth did not know about Weiss. :/
Well when he became Omega Weiss, I figure Sephiroth would have figured it out.
Kyle Knight wrote:
I can accept that Im on about Omega Weiss lol
You have to accept the creator’s word. Which is that there is noone above Sephiroth. Why didn’t Sephiroth stop Weiss? Because he didn’t want to apperently.
I thought Sephiroth did not know about Weiss. :/
Well when he became Omega Weiss, I figure Sephiroth would have figured it out.
Sephiroth is dead at that point. :/
Not exactly. Remember how in AC Kadaj says that he can feel Sephiroth’s presence? Sephiroth is above death. Sure he is dead physically, but he is basically dead like Aries is, perhaps even more spiritualy alive though.
Kyle Knight wrote:
I can accept that Im on about Omega Weiss lol
You have to accept the creator’s word. Which is that there is noone above Sephiroth. Why didn’t Sephiroth stop Weiss? Because he didn’t want to apperently.
I thought Sephiroth did not know about Weiss. :/
Well when he became Omega Weiss, I figure Sephiroth would have figured it out.
Sephiroth is dead at that point. :/
Not exactly. Remember how in AC Kadaj says that he can feel Sephiroth’s presence? Sephiroth is above death. Sure he is dead physically, but he is basically dead like Aries is, perhaps even more spiritualy alive though.
I don’t think he’s alive to the point where he’s fully conscious of what’s happening to the world at the time. :/
Kyle Knight wrote:
I can accept that Im on about Omega Weiss lol
You have to accept the creator’s word. Which is that there is noone above Sephiroth. Why didn’t Sephiroth stop Weiss? Because he didn’t want to apperently.
I thought Sephiroth did not know about Weiss. :/
Well when he became Omega Weiss, I figure Sephiroth would have figured it out.
Sephiroth is dead at that point. :/
Not exactly. Remember how in AC Kadaj says that he can feel Sephiroth’s presence? Sephiroth is above death. Sure he is dead physically, but he is basically dead like Aries is, perhaps even more spiritualy alive though.
I don’t think he’s alive to the point where he’s fully conscious of what’s happening to the world at the time. :/
perhaps not, but his presence is still there is all I’m saying. Perhaps he couldn’t come back at that time because in AC he came back through reuninion(well most likely because Kadaj got Jenova’s head and referanced it.)
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