| 17 May 2008 10:35 am |
ABOVE highest rank Rep: 14  Joined: 31 Jan 2008 Posts: 5,961 OFFLINE | I guess it depends on which definition from a dictionary you use. I know some say it is a belief.
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| 17 May 2008 10:39 am |
El Capitan Rep: 15 Joined: 07 Jul 2006 Posts: 14,180 OFFLINE | The dictionary is irrelevant. Language makes barriers, thats why when discussing logic you use equations. If you’ve taken geometry and studied proofs then you’lle know what I’m talking about.
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| 17 May 2008 10:57 am |
El Capitan Rep: 15Joined: 07 Jul 2006 Posts: 14,180 OFFLINE | Oh, and to rebut what OP was saying earlier, not all beliefs demand the same amount of respect. You won’t see a majority belief demand as much respect as a minority belief. Even if a belief demands respect that doesn’t mean it will get respect. I noticed earlier OP said every religion or belief deserves the same amount of respect (or something like that) but I really doubt he thinks the KKK or neo-Nazi’s deserve as much respect as everyone else.
Personally I don’t think people should demand respect just because it’s a belief. I am against political correctness and don’t think beliefs should get automatic respect, especially since some beliefs damn well don’t deserve it.
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| 17 May 2008 11:07 am |
Illysian Moderator Rep: 23 Joined: 01 Apr 2007 Posts: 6,734 | ramunematt wrote:
Tyreaus wrote:
X + -X = -X + X
A belief that God does not exist
A disbelief that God exists
All you’re doing is moving the negative notation. It’s the same thing.
Most times where you can say that you disbelieve in something, you can say you believe in the opposite.
Besides, Ram, didn’t I show you that dictionary definition already?
Actually X + -X = -X, and vice versa. Its just a prefix, but that prefix can change the meaning. If you go beyond the barrier of language (that includes the dictionary) you know they mean similar things, but in the end -X + X and X + -X will still add up to -X.
Precisely. Both ways of saying it mean that you don’t believe in a God, same conclusion, but you have different ways of saying it.
You could claim it isn’t a belief or it is depending on how you word it.
But like I said before, in the end it really doesn’t matter. Past the language barriers it is still what it is. Within those barriers nearly anything could be called a belief.
(and, as far as the equation would mathematically go, it would be written more like X -X = 0 = -X + X, the two ways of writing it are still synonymous.)
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| 18 May 2008 03:50 pm |
King of the Gamer Army Rep: 21 Joined: 22 Nov 2005 Posts: 13,426 OFFLINE | ramunematt wrote:
Oh, and to rebut what OP was saying earlier, not all beliefs demand the same amount of respect. You won’t see a majority belief demand as much respect as a minority belief. Even if a belief demands respect that doesn’t mean it will get respect. I noticed earlier OP said every religion or belief deserves the same amount of respect (or something like that) but I really doubt he thinks the KKK or neo-Nazi’s deserve as much respect as everyone else.
Personally I don’t think people should demand respect just because it’s a belief. I am against political correctness and don’t think beliefs should get automatic respect, especially since some beliefs damn well don’t deserve it.
If he’s saying the KKK and neo-Nazis don’t deserve respect and trying to show sensitivity towards everybody then that isn’t political correctness.
He’s atheist and he’s arguing against you. That’s hardly political correctness.
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| 18 May 2008 10:13 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 11 Joined: 26 Dec 2007 Posts: 1,591 OFFLINE | ramunematt wrote:
Sean of the Living wrote:
ramunematt wrote:
A lack of X is not X. Fact. Argue with that, and your legally retarded.
Can you stop calling people retarded and/or insane? You sound quite dogmatic... “Argue with me and you’re insane” it’s basically what you said on the solopist thread even though you didn’t understand it and it’s what you’re saying here, even though you don’t understand what’s being said here either. Read what Tyreaus has written.
I’m not calling people retarded because they are disagreeing with me. I’m calling them retarded because they don’t know simple logic. A lack of hair is not hair, a lack of apples are not apples, a lack of reasoning is not reasoning, so why do they think a lack of belief is still belief? What do people who are arguing against me about this have to gain that they feel they have to violate this logic?
I apologize for offending anyone by calling them retarded, but this isn’t rocket science.
Beliefs are different from hair or apples. Having no apples is just a negative, and having to hair is just a negative. This isn’t one thing. Atheism is both a belief and a disbelief, it is a belief of a negative and a disbelief of a positive; you disbelieve in Gods and you believe there aren’t any Gods. I could say the same thing about Theism, we believe in Gods and disbelieve there are no Gods. So within Atheism, there is both a belief and disbelief. It’s not just one or the other. By disbelieving a positive, you are accepting either the negtaive or the neutral (in this case the negative). Savvy?
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| 18 May 2008 10:20 pm |
El Capitan Rep: 15Joined: 07 Jul 2006 Posts: 14,180 OFFLINE | the21gamer wrote:
ramunematt wrote:
Oh, and to rebut what OP was saying earlier, not all beliefs demand the same amount of respect. You won’t see a majority belief demand as much respect as a minority belief. Even if a belief demands respect that doesn’t mean it will get respect. I noticed earlier OP said every religion or belief deserves the same amount of respect (or something like that) but I really doubt he thinks the KKK or neo-Nazi’s deserve as much respect as everyone else.
Personally I don’t think people should demand respect just because it’s a belief. I am against political correctness and don’t think beliefs should get automatic respect, especially since some beliefs damn well don’t deserve it.
If he’s saying the KKK and neo-Nazis don’t deserve respect and trying to show sensitivity towards everybody then that isn’t political correctness.
He’s atheist and he’s arguing against you. That’s hardly political correctness.
Don’t try to turn this around to someone else. You were the one who said all beliefs demand the same amount of respect.
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| 18 May 2008 10:23 pm |
King of the Gamer Army Rep: 21Joined: 22 Nov 2005 Posts: 13,426 OFFLINE | ramunematt wrote:
the21gamer wrote:
ramunematt wrote:
Oh, and to rebut what OP was saying earlier, not all beliefs demand the same amount of respect. You won’t see a majority belief demand as much respect as a minority belief. Even if a belief demands respect that doesn’t mean it will get respect. I noticed earlier OP said every religion or belief deserves the same amount of respect (or something like that) but I really doubt he thinks the KKK or neo-Nazi’s deserve as much respect as everyone else.
Personally I don’t think people should demand respect just because it’s a belief. I am against political correctness and don’t think beliefs should get automatic respect, especially since some beliefs damn well don’t deserve it.
If he’s saying the KKK and neo-Nazis don’t deserve respect and trying to show sensitivity towards everybody then that isn’t political correctness.
He’s atheist and he’s arguing against you. That’s hardly political correctness.
Don’t try to turn this around to someone else. You were the one who said all beliefs demand the same amount of respect.
Obviously the KKK and neo-nazis weren’t included. Being respectful is different from being politically correct. I crack jokes about religion and atheism. That isn’t politically correct. It’s the opposite.
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| 18 May 2008 10:30 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 11Joined: 26 Dec 2007 Posts: 1,591 OFFLINE | There is a difference between stupid beliefs and evil ones. Just because someone believes something that isn’t particuarly smart doesn’t mean they deserve the same disrespect as someone who believes in something as evil as Nazism. Some of you are making no distinction.
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