| 20 May 2008 11:55 pm |
The one and only OP Rep: 24  Joined: 28 May 2006 Posts: 9,100 OFFLINE | Rapture wrote:
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SAMURAI SWORDS WILL NOT BOUNCE OFF ARMOR.
Samurai had far better swords because they combined metals and knew how to layer the metal when creating the sword. That is why European swords consistently shattered when put up against smaller and lighter Asian swords. They fit several times the strength of a European sword into a thinner and lighter but more durable and far stronger sword.
It would be quite easy for a samurai sword to slash through a knight’s armor.
That’s why I said it could bounce off. I’m really just guessing as I type this. If what you say is true, then the Samurai would be a formidable foe.
I told you. The samurai swords are too powerful to just bounce off. They’ll go right through the armor.
European swords are crap compared to Samurai swords and the armor inefficient. What they do have going for them is their jousting. That’s really what the armor was good for.
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| 20 May 2008 11:55 pm |
12 days left. Splee? Rep: 75 Joined: 07 Jan 2008 Posts: 28,507 OFFLINE | Online Predator wrote:
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One more thing before I log out. Let’s not forget that both sides have the use of arrow for an aerial attack. And that both sides also have special weapons, abilities, and uses for a battle such as this.
For example, an army of knights would have cannons and catapults to assault the samurai before engaging in close combat, while the samurai have the element of surprise, using the battlefield to their advantage as much as possible.
Who invented gunpowder? The Chinese. Japan had gunpowder before Europe. The Chinese should be thanked for cannons.
Exclude what I said about cannons. I had something on my mind at the time. Anyway, the Samurai sword would have an effect on their armor, but not in one swipe. That is impossible, unless you know your enemy’s weak points in their armor.
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| 20 May 2008 11:56 pm |
12 days left. Splee? Rep: 75Joined: 07 Jan 2008 Posts: 28,507 OFFLINE | seed wrote:
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Think of it as The Lord of The Rings vs The Last Samurai. In other words, The armies of Middle Earth(excluding Sauron’s armies), led by Aragorn and Gandalf, and the Samurai led by Nathan Algren and Katsumoto.
that is different this is reallity battle.
I know that. I am using that as an example.
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| 20 May 2008 11:56 pm |
The one and forever only... Rep: 39 Joined: 11 Feb 2008 Posts: 10,620 OFFLINE | NihilusRavager7780 wrote:
Online Predator wrote:
NihilusRavager7780 wrote:
One more thing before I log out. Let’s not forget that both sides have the use of arrow for an aerial attack. And that both sides also have special weapons, abilities, and uses for a battle such as this.
For example, an army of knights would have cannons and catapults to assault the samurai before engaging in close combat, while the samurai have the element of surprise, using the battlefield to their advantage as much as possible.
Who invented gunpowder? The Chinese. Japan had gunpowder before Europe. The Chinese should be thanked for cannons.
Exclude what I said about cannons. I had something on my mind at the time. Anyway, the Samurai sword would have an effect on their armor, but not in one swipe. That is impossible, unless you know your enemy’s weak points in their armor.
Well (odd enough) the chest plate
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| 20 May 2008 11:57 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 12 Joined: 21 Jul 2007 Posts: 3,663 OFFLINE | NihilusRavager7780 wrote:
seed wrote:
NihilusRavager7780 wrote:
Think of it as The Lord of The Rings vs The Last Samurai. In other words, The armies of Middle Earth(excluding Sauron’s armies), led by Aragorn and Gandalf, and the Samurai led by Nathan Algren and Katsumoto.
that is different this is reallity battle.
I know that. I am using that as an example.
but some of scene are exagerated.
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| 20 May 2008 11:58 pm |
The one and only OP Rep: 24Joined: 28 May 2006 Posts: 9,100 OFFLINE | 1indainfinite wrote:
Knight I’ve seen Mythbusters test out samurai swords.
Mythbusters is wrong. They probably tested out some poorly made shit. It’s fact that samurai swords were better. They used different metals and they layered. That’s why the finest knives tend to be Asian and are always layered. They probably didn’t even get into the science behind it all. If Asian techniques of mixing metals and layering weren’t better then people would have stopped layering and mixing metals a long time ago.
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| 20 May 2008 11:58 pm |
12 days left. Splee? Rep: 75Joined: 07 Jan 2008 Posts: 28,507 OFFLINE | seed wrote:
NihilusRavager7780 wrote:
seed wrote:
NihilusRavager7780 wrote:
Think of it as The Lord of The Rings vs The Last Samurai. In other words, The armies of Middle Earth(excluding Sauron’s armies), led by Aragorn and Gandalf, and the Samurai led by Nathan Algren and Katsumoto.
that is different this is reallity battle.
I know that. I am using that as an example.
but some of scene are exagerated.
We can talk about that another time... lol Now let’s focus on the real battle at hand.
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| 20 May 2008 11:59 pm |
The one and only OP Rep: 24Joined: 28 May 2006 Posts: 9,100 OFFLINE | NihilusRavager7780 wrote:
Online Predator wrote:
NihilusRavager7780 wrote:
One more thing before I log out. Let’s not forget that both sides have the use of arrow for an aerial attack. And that both sides also have special weapons, abilities, and uses for a battle such as this.
For example, an army of knights would have cannons and catapults to assault the samurai before engaging in close combat, while the samurai have the element of surprise, using the battlefield to their advantage as much as possible.
Who invented gunpowder? The Chinese. Japan had gunpowder before Europe. The Chinese should be thanked for cannons.
Exclude what I said about cannons. I had something on my mind at the time. Anyway, the Samurai sword would have an effect on their armor, but not in one swipe. That is impossible, unless you know your enemy’s weak points in their armor.
It’s not a one hit kill and it won’t always chop a person in half but it is known to do that very well.
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| 20 May 2008 11:59 pm |
The one and forever only... Rep: 39Joined: 11 Feb 2008 Posts: 10,620 OFFLINE | They got hightech state of the art sword what are you talking about they broke the ueropean swords.
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| 20 May 2008 11:59 pm |
How could I be happy? Rep: 58 Joined: 22 Aug 2006 Posts: 31,567 ONLINE | Well, a Samurai Sword can cut right through a bamboo tree. I doubt a Euro sword could do that.
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| 21 May 2008 12:00 am |
The one and forever only... Rep: 39Joined: 11 Feb 2008 Posts: 10,620 OFFLINE | Rapture wrote:
Well, a Samurai Sword can cut right through a bamboo tree. I doubt a Euro sword could do that.
So this is more of stab vs slice right?
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| 21 May 2008 12:01 am |
The one and only OP Rep: 24Joined: 28 May 2006 Posts: 9,100 OFFLINE | 1indainfinite wrote:
They got hightech state of the art sword what are you talking about they broke the ueropean swords.
They were obviously weren’t if they couldn’t do what the standard samurai sword as able to do. They lack the science behind it all. As I said before. Mixing metals correctly and layering was key.
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| 21 May 2008 12:02 am |
The one and forever only... Rep: 39Joined: 11 Feb 2008 Posts: 10,620 OFFLINE | Online Predator wrote:
1indainfinite wrote:
They got hightech state of the art sword what are you talking about they broke the ueropean swords.
They were obviously weren’t if they couldn’t do what the standard samurai sword as able to do. They lack the science behind it all. As I said before. Mixing metals correctly and layering was key.
I said The samurai swords BROKE the ueropean swords!
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| 21 May 2008 12:03 am |
The one and only OP Rep: 24Joined: 28 May 2006 Posts: 9,100 OFFLINE | Rapture wrote:
Well, a Samurai Sword can cut right through a bamboo tree. I doubt a Euro sword could do that.
I bet a European sword can do that but in most cases not as cleanly and not as easily. European swords usually used weight to chop someone in half. They lacked mixing of metals and layering. That’s why they would shatter when up against Asian made swords.
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| 21 May 2008 12:03 am |
12 days left. Splee? Rep: 75Joined: 07 Jan 2008 Posts: 28,507 OFFLINE | Online Predator wrote:
NihilusRavager7780 wrote:
Online Predator wrote:
NihilusRavager7780 wrote:
One more thing before I log out. Let’s not forget that both sides have the use of arrow for an aerial attack. And that both sides also have special weapons, abilities, and uses for a battle such as this.
For example, an army of knights would have cannons and catapults to assault the samurai before engaging in close combat, while the samurai have the element of surprise, using the battlefield to their advantage as much as possible.
Who invented gunpowder? The Chinese. Japan had gunpowder before Europe. The Chinese should be thanked for cannons.
Exclude what I said about cannons. I had something on my mind at the time. Anyway, the Samurai sword would have an effect on their armor, but not in one swipe. That is impossible, unless you know your enemy’s weak points in their armor.
It’s not a one hit kill and it won’t always chop a person in half but it is known to do that very well.
Yes, it is known to do that, just as an axe is known to slice a man’s head off from his head, but it is not as clean and precise as a Samurai Sword.
To be honest, this could end in a draw, but I am going with the Samurai. Samurai have speed that could give them the edge in the battle, and not forgetting to mention that they can find weak spots in their enemy’s armor, though their defense is limited in their armor which is a factor in a battle like this.
Knights have incredible defense, and not to mention good weapons, which benefits for their power and strength, but they are slow in speed, which could cost them dearly.
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| 21 May 2008 12:04 am |
The Mangekyou Sharingan Rep: 44 Joined: 01 Oct 2007 Posts: 9,352 OFFLINE | Miyamoto Musashi could take out 60 samurai in one battle something that knights never done...
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| 21 May 2008 12:05 am |
The one and only OP Rep: 24Joined: 28 May 2006 Posts: 9,100 OFFLINE | 1indainfinite wrote:
Online Predator wrote:
1indainfinite wrote:
They got hightech state of the art sword what are you talking about they broke the ueropean swords.
They were obviously weren’t if they couldn’t do what the standard samurai sword as able to do. They lack the science behind it all. As I said before. Mixing metals correctly and layering was key.
I said The samurai swords BROKE the ueropean swords!
Then why did you say knight in your first post? After that everything you typed looked in favor of the knight’s swords. Just how it was typed...
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| 21 May 2008 12:05 am |
The one and forever only... Rep: 39Joined: 11 Feb 2008 Posts: 10,620 OFFLINE | Itachi Uchiha wrote:
Miyamoto Musashi could take out 60 samurai in one battle something that knights never done...
STFU please wapanese.
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| 21 May 2008 12:07 am |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 12Joined: 21 Jul 2007 Posts: 3,663 OFFLINE | Rapture wrote:
Well, a Samurai Sword can cut right through a bamboo tree. I doubt a Euro sword could do that.
i saw that also but the difference is the katana is more easy to sliced the bamboo three than euro sword you can watch that from national geographic.
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| 21 May 2008 12:10 am |
The one and only OP Rep: 24Joined: 28 May 2006 Posts: 9,100 OFFLINE | NihilusRavager7780 wrote:
Online Predator wrote:
NihilusRavager7780 wrote:
Online Predator wrote:
NihilusRavager7780 wrote:
One more thing before I log out. Let’s not forget that both sides have the use of arrow for an aerial attack. And that both sides also have special weapons, abilities, and uses for a battle such as this.
For example, an army of knights would have cannons and catapults to assault the samurai before engaging in close combat, while the samurai have the element of surprise, using the battlefield to their advantage as much as possible.
Who invented gunpowder? The Chinese. Japan had gunpowder before Europe. The Chinese should be thanked for cannons.
Exclude what I said about cannons. I had something on my mind at the time. Anyway, the Samurai sword would have an effect on their armor, but not in one swipe. That is impossible, unless you know your enemy’s weak points in their armor.
It’s not a one hit kill and it won’t always chop a person in half but it is known to do that very well.
Yes, it is known to do that, just as an axe is known to slice a man’s head off from his head, but it is not as clean and precise as a Samurai Sword.
To be honest, this could end in a draw, but I am going with the Samurai. Samurai have speed that could give them the edge in the battle, and not forgetting to mention that they can find weak spots in their enemy’s armor, though their defense is limited in their armor which is a factor in a battle like this.
Knights have incredible defense, and not to mention good weapons, which benefits for their power and strength, but they are slow in speed, which could cost them dearly.
They do have incredible defense but their defense was meant more for jousting and against big heavy weapons that rely on weight to cut through something. They were never meant to defend against Samurai swords.
The samurai do have poor defense.
Almost any weapon the knight chooses when it comes to swords are poor compared to what the samurai have. Something like a mace or lance seems more inline.
For knights to deal powerful strikes it requires more effort because of how heavy their weapons are. For samurai not much energy needs to be put into the power and strength of the blow because of how finely made the swords were. It’s different ways to achieve the same thing, mostly. Knights would fatigue much faster.
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