| 21 May 2008 12:11 am |
The Mangekyou Sharingan Rep: 44  Joined: 01 Oct 2007 Posts: 9,352 OFFLINE | 1indainfinite wrote:
Itachi Uchiha wrote:
Miyamoto Musashi could take out 60 samurai in one battle something that knights never done...
STFU please wapanese.
its real thing... can you prove that knights could do that too...???
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| 21 May 2008 12:14 am |
12 days left. Splee? Rep: 75 Joined: 07 Jan 2008 Posts: 28,500 OFFLINE | Online Predator wrote:
NihilusRavager7780 wrote:
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NihilusRavager7780 wrote:
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NihilusRavager7780 wrote:
One more thing before I log out. Let’s not forget that both sides have the use of arrow for an aerial attack. And that both sides also have special weapons, abilities, and uses for a battle such as this.
For example, an army of knights would have cannons and catapults to assault the samurai before engaging in close combat, while the samurai have the element of surprise, using the battlefield to their advantage as much as possible.
Who invented gunpowder? The Chinese. Japan had gunpowder before Europe. The Chinese should be thanked for cannons.
Exclude what I said about cannons. I had something on my mind at the time. Anyway, the Samurai sword would have an effect on their armor, but not in one swipe. That is impossible, unless you know your enemy’s weak points in their armor.
It’s not a one hit kill and it won’t always chop a person in half but it is known to do that very well.
Yes, it is known to do that, just as an axe is known to slice a man’s head off from his head, but it is not as clean and precise as a Samurai Sword.
To be honest, this could end in a draw, but I am going with the Samurai. Samurai have speed that could give them the edge in the battle, and not forgetting to mention that they can find weak spots in their enemy’s armor, though their defense is limited in their armor which is a factor in a battle like this.
Knights have incredible defense, and not to mention good weapons, which benefits for their power and strength, but they are slow in speed, which could cost them dearly.
They do have incredible defense but their defense was meant more for jousting and against big heavy weapons that rely on weight to cut through something. They were never meant to defend against Samurai swords.
The samurai do have poor defense.
Almost any weapon the knight chooses when it comes to swords are poor compared to what the samurai have. Something like a mace or lance seems more inline.
For knights to deal powerful strikes it requires more effort because of how heavy their weapons are. For samurai not much energy needs to be put into the power and strength of the blow because of how finely made the swords were. It’s different ways to achieve the same thing, mostly. Knights would fatigue much faster.
Knights would definitely fatigue faster wearing heavy armor, and not to mention a heavy weapon, but as you say, a mace or lance would suffice in this battle. It could go either way.
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| 21 May 2008 12:16 am |
The Mangekyou Sharingan Rep: 44Joined: 01 Oct 2007 Posts: 9,352 OFFLINE | Samurai were trained not just for one to one but also for mass combat... with sword or bare hands...
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| 21 May 2008 12:18 am |
The one and only OP Rep: 24 Joined: 28 May 2006 Posts: 9,100 OFFLINE | For the lance to be of any use they would have to be on horse back.
I can see the mace being of use. I’m just not sure how it would be any use against a sword. It is great for offense just there is no way to defend with it. Blocking with it makes them fatigue even faster.
But the problem is the Samurai had better spears. They had some long flexible ones that they were really good with and could twirl around and do alot with.
With a lance all there is to do is charge straight forward and turn around do it again.
I could see the knights doing on the first charge on horseback and if they have any reserves with that too but I don’t see much else except them being slaughtered.
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| 21 May 2008 12:18 am |
12 days left. Splee? Rep: 75Joined: 07 Jan 2008 Posts: 28,500 OFFLINE | Itachi Uchiha wrote:
Samurai were trained not just for one to one but also for mass combat... with sword or bare hands...
Bare hands? Explain this to me. no offense. I am just curious.
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| 21 May 2008 12:19 am |
The Mangekyou Sharingan Rep: 44Joined: 01 Oct 2007 Posts: 9,352 OFFLINE | Samurai were trained in all equipments including arrow...
Zanbato could slice off horse and its user...
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| 21 May 2008 12:20 am |
12 days left. Splee? Rep: 75Joined: 07 Jan 2008 Posts: 28,500 OFFLINE | Online Predator wrote:
For the lance to be of any use they would have to be on horse back.
I can see the mace being of use. I’m just not sure how it would be any use against a sword. It is great for offense just there is no way to defend with it. Blocking with it makes them fatigue even faster.
But the problem is the Samurai had better spears. They had some long flexible ones that they were really good with and could twirl around and do alot with.
With a lance all there is to do is charge straight forward and turn around do it again.
The Knights wouldn’t have to be on horseback. Remember how most medieval movies are? The Knights would stand together and hold their lances out and wait for the enemy to attack and run right into the lances. Though this could turn out differently. Possibly.
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| 21 May 2008 12:21 am |
12 days left. Splee? Rep: 75Joined: 07 Jan 2008 Posts: 28,500 OFFLINE | Itachi Uchiha wrote:
Samurai were trained in all equipments including arrow...
Zanbato could slice off horse and its user...
That is true, but what about their bare hands, and what is Zanbato?
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| 21 May 2008 12:23 am |
The Mangekyou Sharingan Rep: 44Joined: 01 Oct 2007 Posts: 9,352 OFFLINE | Bare hands like jujutsu, judo, and aikido... karate too.. but samurai is the founding father of jujutsu...
zanbato is a big sword it needs a few user to wield it...
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| 21 May 2008 12:25 am |
12 days left. Splee? Rep: 75Joined: 07 Jan 2008 Posts: 28,500 OFFLINE | Itachi Uchiha wrote:
Bare hands like jujutsu, judo, and aikido... karate too.. but samurai is the founding father of jujutsu...
zanbato is a big sword it needs a few user to wield it...
Ah, I see. That could sway the tide of the battle. And Jujutsu I have heard of, including the others you have posted. I prefer Pi Gua and Nan Chuan.
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| 21 May 2008 12:27 am |
The one and only OP Rep: 24Joined: 28 May 2006 Posts: 9,100 OFFLINE | NihilusRavager7780 wrote:
Online Predator wrote:
For the lance to be of any use they would have to be on horse back.
I can see the mace being of use. I’m just not sure how it would be any use against a sword. It is great for offense just there is no way to defend with it. Blocking with it makes them fatigue even faster.
But the problem is the Samurai had better spears. They had some long flexible ones that they were really good with and could twirl around and do alot with.
With a lance all there is to do is charge straight forward and turn around do it again.
The Knights wouldn’t have to be on horseback. Remember how most medieval movies are? The Knights would stand together and hold their lances out and wait for the enemy to attack and run right into the lances. Though this could turn out differently. Possibly.
It is impractical to use lances that way. Spears are more efficient because they are lighter and can be moved more easily in the direction of the oncoming enemy.
Not all the knights need to use the same weapon unless whoever made this topic says so but I see them dividing themselves to units with specific tasks and weapons.
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| 21 May 2008 12:31 am |
12 days left. Splee? Rep: 75Joined: 07 Jan 2008 Posts: 28,500 OFFLINE | Online Predator wrote:
NihilusRavager7780 wrote:
Online Predator wrote:
For the lance to be of any use they would have to be on horse back.
I can see the mace being of use. I’m just not sure how it would be any use against a sword. It is great for offense just there is no way to defend with it. Blocking with it makes them fatigue even faster.
But the problem is the Samurai had better spears. They had some long flexible ones that they were really good with and could twirl around and do alot with.
With a lance all there is to do is charge straight forward and turn around do it again.
The Knights wouldn’t have to be on horseback. Remember how most medieval movies are? The Knights would stand together and hold their lances out and wait for the enemy to attack and run right into the lances. Though this could turn out differently. Possibly.
It is impractical to use lances that way. Spears are more efficient because they are lighter and can be moved more easily in the direction of the oncoming enemy.
Not all the knights need to use the same weapon unless whoever made this topic says so but I see them dividing themselves to units with specific tasks and weapons.
That would be the practical idea. The same would go for the Samurai. And let’s not forget aerial attacks from both sides.
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| 21 May 2008 01:11 am |
The Mangekyou Sharingan Rep: 44Joined: 01 Oct 2007 Posts: 9,352 OFFLINE | NihilusRavager7780 wrote:
Itachi Uchiha wrote:
Bare hands like jujutsu, judo, and aikido... karate too.. but samurai is the founding father of jujutsu...
zanbato is a big sword it needs a few user to wield it...
Ah, I see. That could sway the tide of the battle. And Jujutsu I have heard of, including the others you have posted. I prefer Pi Gua and Nan Chuan.
But I love Judo and Tae Kwon Do very much...
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| 21 May 2008 01:13 am |
lionfranky Guest | Online Predator wrote:
Rapture wrote:
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SAMURAI SWORDS WILL NOT BOUNCE OFF ARMOR.
Samurai had far better swords because they combined metals and knew how to layer the metal when creating the sword. That is why European swords consistently shattered when put up against smaller and lighter Asian swords. They fit several times the strength of a European sword into a thinner and lighter but more durable and far stronger sword.
It would be quite easy for a samurai sword to slash through a knight’s armor.
That’s why I said it could bounce off. I’m really just guessing as I type this. If what you say is true, then the Samurai would be a formidable foe.
I told you. The samurai swords are too powerful to just bounce off. They’ll go right through the armor.
European swords are crap compared to Samurai swords and the armor inefficient. What they do have going for them is their jousting. That’s really what the armor was good for.
This is general misconception started from arrogant Japanese. European swords are just as powerful if not more. Japanese blades could cut through Rug armor not steel armor.
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| 21 May 2008 01:14 am |
The Mangekyou Sharingan Rep: 44Joined: 01 Oct 2007 Posts: 9,352 OFFLINE | It is shown in discovery channel that the japanesse sword more powerfull than the europe sword...
its sharps like cutter...
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| 21 May 2008 01:19 am |
Nihilus nli Guest | Itachi Uchiha wrote:
NihilusRavager7780 wrote:
Itachi Uchiha wrote:
Bare hands like jujutsu, judo, and aikido... karate too.. but samurai is the founding father of jujutsu...
zanbato is a big sword it needs a few user to wield it...
Ah, I see. That could sway the tide of the battle. And Jujutsu I have heard of, including the others you have posted. I prefer Pi Gua and Nan Chuan.
But I love Judo and Tae Kwon Do very much...
They are also great fighting styles.
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| 21 May 2008 01:28 am |
The Mangekyou Sharingan Rep: 44Joined: 01 Oct 2007 Posts: 9,352 OFFLINE | 
Indeed but I want to learn Kendo to increase my lightsaber skill but its too expensive for me...
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| 21 May 2008 01:30 am |
Nihilus nli Guest | You will be able to do it one day. Night.
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| 21 May 2008 01:35 am |
The one and only OP Rep: 24Joined: 28 May 2006 Posts: 9,100 OFFLINE | lionfranky wrote:
Online Predator wrote:
Rapture wrote:
Online Predator wrote:
SAMURAI SWORDS WILL NOT BOUNCE OFF ARMOR.
Samurai had far better swords because they combined metals and knew how to layer the metal when creating the sword. That is why European swords consistently shattered when put up against smaller and lighter Asian swords. They fit several times the strength of a European sword into a thinner and lighter but more durable and far stronger sword.
It would be quite easy for a samurai sword to slash through a knight’s armor.
That’s why I said it could bounce off. I’m really just guessing as I type this. If what you say is true, then the Samurai would be a formidable foe.
I told you. The samurai swords are too powerful to just bounce off. They’ll go right through the armor.
European swords are crap compared to Samurai swords and the armor inefficient. What they do have going for them is their jousting. That’s really what the armor was good for.
This is general misconception started from arrogant Japanese. European swords are just as powerful if not more. Japanese blades could cut through Rug armor not steel armor.
Bullshit. Have you bothered to look at the science behind it all? Asian swords are proven to have been generally better built and stronger.
If it weren’t true then we would have stopped using Asian techniques of folding, layering, and mixing metals.
Talk about arrogance.
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