NihilusRavager7780 wrote:
I’m going with Hiei. He has a chance of winning this battle. Lightning fast reflexes
Cloud has those too, he dodged lightning when he had geostigma.
and let’s not forget the Dragon of The Darkness Flame. Even though he lost to Mukuro, he is not one to underestimate.
Well Omnislash is a good equalizer, Cloud is not to be taken lightly, he went through a mega flare, with geostigma and came out unharmed, he then proceeded to knock down Bahamut into the ground.
To take on someone with as much power and strength as Bui, that’s an impressive feat.
Yes Bui is powerful, But taking someone like Sephiroth on is also impressive.
Very true. Though speed and power are not what wins the battle. You also have to have smarts, which can get you out of very hairy situations in a battle. How intelligent is Sephiroth?
NihilusRavager7780 wrote:
I’m going with Hiei. He has a chance of winning this battle. Lightning fast reflexes
Cloud has those too, he dodged lightning when he had geostigma.
and let’s not forget the Dragon of The Darkness Flame. Even though he lost to Mukuro, he is not one to underestimate.
Well Omnislash is a good equalizer, Cloud is not to be taken lightly, he went through a mega flare, with geostigma and came out unharmed, he then proceeded to knock down Bahamut into the ground.
To take on someone with as much power and strength as Bui, that’s an impressive feat.
Yes Bui is powerful, But taking someone like Sephiroth on is also impressive.
Very true. Though speed and power are not what wins the battle. You also have to have smarts, which can get you out of very hairy situations in a battle. How intelligent is Sephiroth?
Sephiroth is a battle genious at the very least, he was the top SOLDIER officer and was considered to be the best of the best so he defently is a battle genious, also, he has the knowledge of the ancients from when he was incased in that mako thing. So he is quite intelligent I would say.
NihilusRavager7780 wrote:
Wow, very intelligent indeed. Hiei will have one hell of a battle. This will take forever, but that’s just my opinion.
Yes, but this is Cloud we are talking about, and technically, it was Sephiroth’s arrogence that was his downfall. Still, Cloud has some good feats and omnislash V5 would probably be the the end if he can pull it off. Considering it defeated a being that generates a body in like 5 seconds and can regeneerate at a ridiculous rate.
Also it should be noted that Sephiroth’s durability is above the planet, Meaning Cloud’s omnislash had to have been above it to for it to defeat him.
ChibiDiscoDhaos wrote:
Actually Omnislash is blink of an eye speed it is said to be in the Ultimania guide which is canon.
well, saying something and actually doing it are two different things correct???
No. Not when the creators say something. Thats like if you were god and you said you “Let there be light” there would be light. No ifs ands or buts because you would be the creator.
The creators said omnislash is that fast so it is. No argument can be made.
but i read, that there are guys here that questions an official dc statement that prime is the 3rd strongest...
Sorry...No VALID argument can be made. Any arguments that contridict the creator insta fail.
riiiiight..... so if the creator said this its real??? even if its not shown that the character can do it???
Yes, because the creator says so.It doesn’t matter what arguments are brought up against it because they insta fail no matter what. If the creator says Sephiroth could destroy the multiverse by thought, then he can. You can’t argue with it. That whole attack is stated to be in the blink of an eye by the people who are the creators...Seriously, argue with that and you insta fail no matter what stupid logic you bring up.
so, when marvel said captain americas is not a meta human, even when we see him doing only metas can do,, youre gonna believe them??? right....
Yep..If the creators say so who am I to challenge them...But okay, Then everything stated about Dragonball is all false even if it is made by Akira because stating something is different from showing right?
If it says Goku can move 1 billion times the speed of light in base form walking and Akira says so, I’m going to say it is false.
Conclusion: If the creator says anything about their character, it is true. No matter WHAT you come up with. Your arguments are insta invalid against the creator’s word. No argument can be made whatsoever.
actually,, i mean not EVERYTHING that the creator says is accurate.. the cap america thing for example... unless we have a clue that what they say is true,, then its not that easy to believe.. and if youre going to believe people despite what you see,, i think you have to use your judgment a little...
i thought cloud defeating the likes of roth is supposed to be PIS???? you guys said so in the other thread... that means its not really that impressive...
ChibiDiscoDhaos wrote:
Actually Omnislash is blink of an eye speed it is said to be in the Ultimania guide which is canon.
well, saying something and actually doing it are two different things correct???
No. Not when the creators say something. Thats like if you were god and you said you “Let there be light” there would be light. No ifs ands or buts because you would be the creator.
The creators said omnislash is that fast so it is. No argument can be made.
but i read, that there are guys here that questions an official dc statement that prime is the 3rd strongest...
i read that superman prime is 3rd too in the dc universe!if there is any one woh desegrees i thig i can sow a link!
ChibiDiscoDhaos wrote:
Actually Omnislash is blink of an eye speed it is said to be in the Ultimania guide which is canon.
well, saying something and actually doing it are two different things correct???
No. Not when the creators say something. Thats like if you were god and you said you “Let there be light” there would be light. No ifs ands or buts because you would be the creator.
The creators said omnislash is that fast so it is. No argument can be made.
but i read, that there are guys here that questions an official dc statement that prime is the 3rd strongest...
i read that superman prime is 3rd too in the dc universe!if there is any one woh desegrees i thig i can sow a link!
actually,, you dont have to show them that dc says it... they have to see how can prime be the 3rd strongest...
ChibiDiscoDhaos wrote:
Actually Omnislash is blink of an eye speed it is said to be in the Ultimania guide which is canon.
well, saying something and actually doing it are two different things correct???
No. Not when the creators say something. Thats like if you were god and you said you “Let there be light” there would be light. No ifs ands or buts because you would be the creator.
The creators said omnislash is that fast so it is. No argument can be made.
but i read, that there are guys here that questions an official dc statement that prime is the 3rd strongest...
Sorry...No VALID argument can be made. Any arguments that contridict the creator insta fail.
riiiiight..... so if the creator said this its real??? even if its not shown that the character can do it???
Yes, because the creator says so.It doesn’t matter what arguments are brought up against it because they insta fail no matter what. If the creator says Sephiroth could destroy the multiverse by thought, then he can. You can’t argue with it. That whole attack is stated to be in the blink of an eye by the people who are the creators...Seriously, argue with that and you insta fail no matter what stupid logic you bring up.
so, when marvel said captain americas is not a meta human, even when we see him doing only metas can do,, youre gonna believe them??? right....
Yep..If the creators say so who am I to challenge them...But okay, Then everything stated about Dragonball is all false even if it is made by Akira because stating something is different from showing right?
If it says Goku can move 1 billion times the speed of light in base form walking and Akira says so, I’m going to say it is false.
Conclusion: If the creator says anything about their character, it is true. No matter WHAT you come up with. Your arguments are insta invalid against the creator’s word. No argument can be made whatsoever.
actually,, i mean not EVERYTHING that the creator says is accurate.. the cap america thing for example... unless we have a clue that what they say is true,, then its not that easy to believe.. and if youre going to believe people despite what you see,, i think you have to use your judgment a little...
No. ALL creator’s statements are accurate. Are you going to argue with the people who MADE the characters? Fine. Thats okay I can play that too. Let’s say we have something 100% defintite and we know for a fact it is 100% true...Well I say it’s false. Just because it is a stated fact doesn’t mean it’s true right? Seriously....ALL CREATORS STATEMENTS ARE TRUE NO MATTER WHAT YOU SAY.
Also, yes defeating roth was PIS as Sephiroth didn’t use all his powers.
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Last edited 26 May 2008 07:26 pm by ChibiDiscoDhaos
ChibiDiscoDhaos wrote:
Actually Omnislash is blink of an eye speed it is said to be in the Ultimania guide which is canon.
well, saying something and actually doing it are two different things correct???
No. Not when the creators say something. Thats like if you were god and you said you “Let there be light” there would be light. No ifs ands or buts because you would be the creator.
The creators said omnislash is that fast so it is. No argument can be made.
but i read, that there are guys here that questions an official dc statement that prime is the 3rd strongest...
Sorry...No VALID argument can be made. Any arguments that contridict the creator insta fail.
riiiiight..... so if the creator said this its real??? even if its not shown that the character can do it???
Yes, because the creator says so.It doesn’t matter what arguments are brought up against it because they insta fail no matter what. If the creator says Sephiroth could destroy the multiverse by thought, then he can. You can’t argue with it. That whole attack is stated to be in the blink of an eye by the people who are the creators...Seriously, argue with that and you insta fail no matter what stupid logic you bring up.
so, when marvel said captain americas is not a meta human, even when we see him doing only metas can do,, youre gonna believe them??? right....
Yep..If the creators say so who am I to challenge them...But okay, Then everything stated about Dragonball is all false even if it is made by Akira because stating something is different from showing right?
If it says Goku can move 1 billion times the speed of light in base form walking and Akira says so, I’m going to say it is false.
Conclusion: If the creator says anything about their character, it is true. No matter WHAT you come up with. Your arguments are insta invalid against the creator’s word. No argument can be made whatsoever.
actually,, i mean not EVERYTHING that the creator says is accurate.. the cap america thing for example... unless we have a clue that what they say is true,, then its not that easy to believe.. and if youre going to believe people despite what you see,, i think you have to use your judgment a little...
No. ALL creator’s statements are accurate. Are you going to argue with the people who MADE the characters? Fine. Thats okay I can play that too. Let’s say we have something 100% defintite and we know for a fact it is 100% true...Well I say it’s false. Just because it is a stated fact doesn’t mean it’s true right? Seriously....ALL CREATORS STATEMENTS ARE TRUE NO MATTER WHAT YOU SAY.
Also, yes defeating roth was PIS as Sephiroth didn’t use all his powers.
you really believe that dont you??? even if cap has done something no human,, at his peak can do???
ChibiDiscoDhaos wrote:
Actually Omnislash is blink of an eye speed it is said to be in the Ultimania guide which is canon.
well, saying something and actually doing it are two different things correct???
No. Not when the creators say something. Thats like if you were god and you said you “Let there be light” there would be light. No ifs ands or buts because you would be the creator.
The creators said omnislash is that fast so it is. No argument can be made.
but i read, that there are guys here that questions an official dc statement that prime is the 3rd strongest...
Sorry...No VALID argument can be made. Any arguments that contridict the creator insta fail.
riiiiight..... so if the creator said this its real??? even if its not shown that the character can do it???
Yes, because the creator says so.It doesn’t matter what arguments are brought up against it because they insta fail no matter what. If the creator says Sephiroth could destroy the multiverse by thought, then he can. You can’t argue with it. That whole attack is stated to be in the blink of an eye by the people who are the creators...Seriously, argue with that and you insta fail no matter what stupid logic you bring up.
so, when marvel said captain americas is not a meta human, even when we see him doing only metas can do,, youre gonna believe them??? right....
Yep..If the creators say so who am I to challenge them...But okay, Then everything stated about Dragonball is all false even if it is made by Akira because stating something is different from showing right?
If it says Goku can move 1 billion times the speed of light in base form walking and Akira says so, I’m going to say it is false.
Conclusion: If the creator says anything about their character, it is true. No matter WHAT you come up with. Your arguments are insta invalid against the creator’s word. No argument can be made whatsoever.
actually,, i mean not EVERYTHING that the creator says is accurate.. the cap america thing for example... unless we have a clue that what they say is true,, then its not that easy to believe.. and if youre going to believe people despite what you see,, i think you have to use your judgment a little...
No. ALL creator’s statements are accurate. Are you going to argue with the people who MADE the characters? Fine. Thats okay I can play that too. Let’s say we have something 100% defintite and we know for a fact it is 100% true...Well I say it’s false. Just because it is a stated fact doesn’t mean it’s true right? Seriously....ALL CREATORS STATEMENTS ARE TRUE NO MATTER WHAT YOU SAY.
Also, yes defeating roth was PIS as Sephiroth didn’t use all his powers.
you really believe that dont you??? even if cap has done something no human,, at his peak can do???
If that is what the creator says, it’s true no matter what. It’s a fictional universe. In that fictional universe, normal humans might be like that.
normal humans in the marvel universe are like us... frail,, but since captaian america endured things that no normal human can do.. marvels statements that hes at peak human and not superhuman is not right...
fanboy_inc wrote:
normal humans in the marvel universe are like us... frail,, but since captaian america endured things that no normal human can do.. marvels statements that hes at peak human and not superhuman is not right...
Nope you fail because it is still fiction, whatever the creator says goes NO MATTER WHAT!...You can’t seem to grasp this.
fanboy_inc wrote:
normal humans in the marvel universe are like us... frail,, but since captaian america endured things that no normal human can do.. marvels statements that hes at peak human and not superhuman is not right...
Nope you fail because it is still fiction, whatever the creator says goes NO MATTER WHAT!...You can’t seem to grasp this.
no,,, i suppose im just not the type of person who will just accept anything thats being stated by someone without proof... i do have my own mind...
yes its still fiction.. but the normal people in the marvel universe are modeled after us... so,, they are normal... you cant possibly accept that captain america is just an ordinary human despite all hes accomplished do you???
its like youre saying a baker created a normal bread and says to you its ice cream and youre going to believe him because he created it.. man,,, you have to use your own mind... not everything people tells you are correct...
There is a HUGE difference between the guy who created Captain America, and the guys who created Sephiroth, though.
He only created Cap, not the other characters of Marvel. Because of that, he don’t have the right to state his character is stronger than other characters NOT CREATED BY HIM.
On the other hand, the guys who created Sephiroth, created EVERYTHING IN THE UNIVERSE OF FFVII. And because of that, they CAN say that no one is stronger than him IN FFVII.
What Kitase and Nomura said is valid, because they are talking about a world created by them. But what the guy who created Cap said is not valid, because he didn’t create the whole Marvel universe.
About this fight, MAYBE Cloud can win, if he have all Materias with him.
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