| 02 Jun 2008 02:04 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 26  Joined: 06 May 2007 Posts: 3,027 OFFLINE | This idea will seem blasphemous and disgusting to some people, which is something I expect. Though religion does stimulate the human’s senses of love, hope, and safety, there is one huge and critical thing that is part of the idea of religion in one’s life. That is the restriction of freedom. Religion is equivalent to that of slavery. Religion takes away one’s free will and freedom of thought. How is this? The biggest source is the Ten Commandments and the bible itself. “Thou shall not do this, though shall not do that.” What do you think the Ten Commandments and bible are doing to us? They are controlling our everyday lives with these rules, limiting our free will. It limits our sex lives, our pleasures, even our thoughts. How does religion influence us so much with these rules that were made though? It is the punishment of those who do not follow these rules will burn in hell for all eternity. If God wanted us to have free will, then wouldn’t he have never made these rules? Now lets take a look at Satan. Satan in the story of Adam and Eve, was in the form of a serpent who told Eve to go ahead and do what she wants, and take the apple. Does that mean that God is slavery and limit of rights and Satan is free will? These are just some ideas I have been thinking of.
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King of the Gamer Army Rep: 33 Joined: 22 Nov 2005 Posts: 14,667 OFFLINE | It’s choice.
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 the21gamer wrote:
ramunematt wrote:
Did you hear me? I’m a bigger better pussy than you’ll ever be.
Wtf...
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Ace of 'Nades Rep: 60 Joined: 30 Apr 2007 Posts: 15,841 OFFLINE | It’s choice.
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hahahahaha Rep: 26 Joined: 10 Sep 2005 Posts: 14,936 ONLINE | not at all, at least according to mine.
it is the same as any other relationship. calling it slavery is like saying dating a girl is slavery because you can’t fuck other girls and get away with it (well, we can, but in this case, the girl is all knowing. makes it tough...) to me, christianity isn’t a list of rules. in fact, thats really not what christianity is supposed to be. the one rule in it is loving jesus/god. because of this, you should want to do what you can to make them happy.
as for the punishment, hell, i really don’t think of it as a punishment. you have to understand this. according to christianity, if you have sin in your, if you are tainted, then god cannot stand you. he loves you, completely loves you, but he cannot exist with sin. because of this, you must go to somewhere where he is not. aka, hell. because god is the embodiment of love, goodness, and all that, a place without god is a place without love, a place without goodness, a place without happiness. thats the basis of christianity. we’ve all fucked up. we are all damned to hell because god cannot exist with our sin.
btw, i’m just going ahead and assuming this was a question and not you trying to antagonize christians into getting into yet annother argument with you, thus creating yet annother thread that has the same exact purpose of like 30 others.
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UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 26Joined: 06 May 2007 Posts: 3,027 OFFLINE | kev360 wrote:
not at all, at least according to mine.
it is the same as any other relationship. calling it slavery is like saying dating a girl is slavery because you can’t fuck other girls and get away with it (well, we can, but in this case, the girl is all knowing. makes it tough...) to me, christianity isn’t a list of rules. in fact, thats really not what christianity is supposed to be. the one rule in it is loving jesus/god. because of this, you should want to do what you can to make them happy.
as for the punishment, hell, i really don’t think of it as a punishment. you have to understand this. according to christianity, if you have sin in your, if you are tainted, then god cannot stand you. he loves you, completely loves you, but he cannot exist with sin. because of this, you must go to somewhere where he is not. aka, hell. because god is the embodiment of love, goodness, and all that, a place without god is a place without love, a place without goodness, a place without happiness. thats the basis of christianity. we’ve all fucked up. we are all damned to hell because god cannot exist with our sin.
btw, i’m just going ahead and assuming this was a question and not you trying to antagonize christians into getting into yet annother argument with you, thus creating yet annother thread that has the same exact purpose of like 30 others.
Yeah but with a girlfriend, you can think about fucking other girls, or think about something you want to do with another woman, rather than actually going through with it. Religion states what you should think. Take the example of the Catholic church and the pope. If you do not believe what the pope says, the bible states that you are going to hell.
This topic was just formed from an idea I had a few days ago and thought of it to be a reasonable idea. I just wanted to see if others agreed with me or not.
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hahahahaha Rep: 26Joined: 10 Sep 2005 Posts: 14,936 ONLINE | petrofsky wrote:
kev360 wrote:
not at all, at least according to mine.
it is the same as any other relationship. calling it slavery is like saying dating a girl is slavery because you can’t fuck other girls and get away with it (well, we can, but in this case, the girl is all knowing. makes it tough...) to me, christianity isn’t a list of rules. in fact, thats really not what christianity is supposed to be. the one rule in it is loving jesus/god. because of this, you should want to do what you can to make them happy.
as for the punishment, hell, i really don’t think of it as a punishment. you have to understand this. according to christianity, if you have sin in your, if you are tainted, then god cannot stand you. he loves you, completely loves you, but he cannot exist with sin. because of this, you must go to somewhere where he is not. aka, hell. because god is the embodiment of love, goodness, and all that, a place without god is a place without love, a place without goodness, a place without happiness. thats the basis of christianity. we’ve all fucked up. we are all damned to hell because god cannot exist with our sin.
btw, i’m just going ahead and assuming this was a question and not you trying to antagonize christians into getting into yet annother argument with you, thus creating yet annother thread that has the same exact purpose of like 30 others.
Yeah but with a girlfriend, you can think about fucking other girls, or think about something you want to do with another woman, rather than actually going through with it. Religion states what you should think. Take the example of the Catholic church and the pope. If you do not believe what the pope says, the bible states that you are going to hell.
This topic was just formed from an idea I had a few days ago and thought of it to be a reasonable idea. I just wanted to see if others agreed with me or not.
well, first off, i’m prodistant, and very very anti-catholic. i think the idea of electing someone who is basically god is bullshit.
but, moving on...yeah, immoral thought is a sin. but, i think that just plays along in the whole key difference between a relationship with god and a relationship with any person: god knows everything.
but, as i said, its not a rulebook. not according to what i believe the christian faith says. what i believe is that with the coming of jesus, a covenant was made with god that yeah, we fuck up, we sin, whatever, but through jesus, god is able to look beyond all that stuff. its like it doesn’t exist. “as far as the east is from the west." so, yeah, displeasing him is enough to send you to hell, but because of jesus, we have a way around that. but, then, the question comes in, if we really love jesus and god, if we really want them in our lives, are we going to do these things that displease them?
2 notes...first off, i’m doing this because i feel like even thought a lot of athiests on this sight are very smart (way smarter then me), i also feel like a lot of you guys don’t really know much beyond what the media portrays of christianity. second, notice i’m saying this is all what i believe. if you talk to annother christian and they say this is all bs, thats probably because there are literally hundreds of splits in the christian faith. it gets REALLY complicated...
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The one and forever only... Rep: 39 Joined: 11 Feb 2008 Posts: 10,620 OFFLINE | No but you can make nun do your laundry in the name of teh Lord!
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God is evil God is pure God is neither God is God
Don’t FUCK with my insanity I’ll warp your REALiTY | | | 02 Jun 2008 07:01 pm |
hahahahaha Rep: 26Joined: 10 Sep 2005 Posts: 14,936 ONLINE | hmm..this all reminds me of a book i started to read, but eventually stopped for...no apparent reason....
but, yeah. it talked about how in todays society, everything is looked at in graphs and charts. i can really relate to this because thats how i look at everything. the author talked about how we have sorta started to try to do that with the bible. but, he said you can’t really do that. there’s no formula in it that says “do this and this and this and you get to go to heaven, do this or this or this and you go to hell." thats like trying to fit human relationships into some easy to follow formula. its not that simple. you cant just impute some actions and have a best friend. you kinda get what i’m saying?
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| | | 02 Jun 2008 07:36 pm |
Dr. Matt Rep: 46 Joined: 07 Jul 2006 Posts: 14,449 OFFLINE | the21gamer wrote:
It’s choice.
I disagree. When a religion has been indoctrinated into a child’s mind to be the only true religion, then by the time that kid grows up they’ve all free will to leave that religion.
Aside from indoctrination, most religion itself is a form of slavery. If you want proof then just read a bible or read a quran and count how many times they try to control people and how they act by reward or threat.
Here are the three of the definititions of “slavery” from dictionary.com:
1. the state of being under the control of another person [syn: bondage]
2. the practice of owning slaves
3. work done under harsh conditions for little or no pay
I had to choose the second section because the first didn’t give any real definition (one of those, “slavery is the act of slaves” kind of thing)
here is the definition of a slave:
1. a person who is the property of and wholly subject to another; a bond servant.
2. a person entirely under the domination of some influence or person: a slave to a drug.
3. a drudge: a housekeeping slave.
Look closely at the first two. The first one states slavery as being in control of another person. God may not be a “person” per say, but is an almighty entity who planned out all our actions past, present, and future not controlling us? As for the definition of the second one, same basic thing. As long as god is all knowing and all omnipotent, he has complete control over what you do.
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the21gamer wrote:
fuck that load of bullshit. i dont care if the enemy dies. not fighting back is stupid
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The Mangekyou Sharingan Rep: 44 Joined: 01 Oct 2007 Posts: 9,352 OFFLINE | you may choose every path you want...
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“Great new ideas usually come from very small teams... don’t give up so easily." — John Kaster — | | | 02 Jun 2008 09:01 pm |
King of the Gamer Army Rep: 33Joined: 22 Nov 2005 Posts: 14,667 OFFLINE | ramunematt wrote:
the21gamer wrote:
It’s choice.
I disagree. When a religion has been indoctrinated into a child’s mind to be the only true religion, then by the time that kid grows up they’ve all free will to leave that religion.
Aside from indoctrination, most religion itself is a form of slavery. If you want proof then just read a bible or read a quran and count how many times they try to control people and how they act by reward or threat.
Here are the three of the definititions of “slavery” from dictionary.com:
1. the state of being under the control of another person [syn: bondage]
2. the practice of owning slaves
3. work done under harsh conditions for little or no pay
I had to choose the second section because the first didn’t give any real definition (one of those, “slavery is the act of slaves” kind of thing)
here is the definition of a slave:
1. a person who is the property of and wholly subject to another; a bond servant.
2. a person entirely under the domination of some influence or person: a slave to a drug.
3. a drudge: a housekeeping slave.
Look closely at the first two. The first one states slavery as being in control of another person. God may not be a “person” per say, but is an almighty entity who planned out all our actions past, present, and future not controlling us? As for the definition of the second one, same basic thing. As long as god is all knowing and all omnipotent, he has complete control over what you do.
The same can be done with atheism or any belief or 'non-belief'.
You did say God does not exist so it can’t be slavery since God does not exist.
If God did exist he gives you the choice anyways. I chose not to believe.
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the21gamer wrote:
ramunematt wrote:
Did you hear me? I’m a bigger better pussy than you’ll ever be.
Wtf...
Last edited 02 Jun 2008 09:20 pm by the21gamer | | | 02 Jun 2008 09:12 pm |
Regular Rep: 2 Joined: 25 Apr 2008 Posts: 122 OFFLINE | In slavery u have no free will if u disobey u die christianity is nothing like that, im a christian and i make the choice sometimes to do wrong
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Regular Rep: 7 Joined: 02 Jun 2008 Posts: 258 OFFLINE | no beacuse you can decide what you wanna do it and when
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sharingan level 3 | | | 02 Jun 2008 10:29 pm |
Nyarlathotep Rep: 10 Joined: 26 Jun 2005 Posts: 6,914 OFFLINE | petrofsky wrote:
If you do not believe what the pope says, the bible states that you are going to hell.
...No it doesn’t.
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- H. P. Lovecraft Join the Order | | | 02 Jun 2008 10:31 pm |
Addict (beyond 1337) Rep: 47 Joined: 04 Mar 2008 Posts: 8,766 ONLINE | Astro Boy X wrote:
In slavery u have no free will if u disobey u die christianity is nothing like that, im a christian and i make the choice sometimes to do wrong
I dnt see your piont.
I can do wrong if Im a slave.
explain 2 me please.
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Dr. Matt Rep: 46Joined: 07 Jul 2006 Posts: 14,449 OFFLINE | the21gamer wrote:
ramunematt wrote:
the21gamer wrote:
It’s choice.
I disagree. When a religion has been indoctrinated into a child’s mind to be the only true religion, then by the time that kid grows up they’ve all free will to leave that religion.
Aside from indoctrination, most religion itself is a form of slavery. If you want proof then just read a bible or read a quran and count how many times they try to control people and how they act by reward or threat.
Here are the three of the definititions of “slavery” from dictionary.com:
1. the state of being under the control of another person [syn: bondage]
2. the practice of owning slaves
3. work done under harsh conditions for little or no pay
I had to choose the second section because the first didn’t give any real definition (one of those, “slavery is the act of slaves” kind of thing)
here is the definition of a slave:
1. a person who is the property of and wholly subject to another; a bond servant.
2. a person entirely under the domination of some influence or person: a slave to a drug.
3. a drudge: a housekeeping slave.
Look closely at the first two. The first one states slavery as being in control of another person. God may not be a “person” per say, but is an almighty entity who planned out all our actions past, present, and future not controlling us? As for the definition of the second one, same basic thing. As long as god is all knowing and all omnipotent, he has complete control over what you do.
The same can be done with atheism or any belief or 'non-belief'.
You did say God does not exist so it can’t be slavery since God does not exist.
If God did exist he gives you the choice anyways. I chose not to believe.
Belief isn’t a choice.
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the21gamer wrote:
fuck that load of bullshit. i dont care if the enemy dies. not fighting back is stupid
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King of the Gamer Army Rep: 33Joined: 22 Nov 2005 Posts: 14,667 OFFLINE | ramunematt wrote:
the21gamer wrote:
ramunematt wrote:
the21gamer wrote:
It’s choice.
I disagree. When a religion has been indoctrinated into a child’s mind to be the only true religion, then by the time that kid grows up they’ve all free will to leave that religion.
Aside from indoctrination, most religion itself is a form of slavery. If you want proof then just read a bible or read a quran and count how many times they try to control people and how they act by reward or threat.
Here are the three of the definititions of “slavery” from dictionary.com:
1. the state of being under the control of another person [syn: bondage]
2. the practice of owning slaves
3. work done under harsh conditions for little or no pay
I had to choose the second section because the first didn’t give any real definition (one of those, “slavery is the act of slaves” kind of thing)
here is the definition of a slave:
1. a person who is the property of and wholly subject to another; a bond servant.
2. a person entirely under the domination of some influence or person: a slave to a drug.
3. a drudge: a housekeeping slave.
Look closely at the first two. The first one states slavery as being in control of another person. God may not be a “person” per say, but is an almighty entity who planned out all our actions past, present, and future not controlling us? As for the definition of the second one, same basic thing. As long as god is all knowing and all omnipotent, he has complete control over what you do.
The same can be done with atheism or any belief or 'non-belief'.
You did say God does not exist so it can’t be slavery since God does not exist.
If God did exist he gives you the choice anyways. I chose not to believe.
Belief isn’t a choice.
So no matter what you’re enslaved. That means you are enslaved to by atheism.
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the21gamer wrote:
ramunematt wrote:
Did you hear me? I’m a bigger better pussy than you’ll ever be.
Wtf...
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Addict (beyond 1337) Rep: 47Joined: 04 Mar 2008 Posts: 8,766 ONLINE | ramunematt wrote:
the21gamer wrote:
ramunematt wrote:
the21gamer wrote:
It’s choice.
I disagree. When a religion has been indoctrinated into a child’s mind to be the only true religion, then by the time that kid grows up they’ve all free will to leave that religion.
Aside from indoctrination, most religion itself is a form of slavery. If you want proof then just read a bible or read a quran and count how many times they try to control people and how they act by reward or threat.
Here are the three of the definititions of “slavery” from dictionary.com:
1. the state of being under the control of another person [syn: bondage]
2. the practice of owning slaves
3. work done under harsh conditions for little or no pay
I had to choose the second section because the first didn’t give any real definition (one of those, “slavery is the act of slaves” kind of thing)
here is the definition of a slave:
1. a person who is the property of and wholly subject to another; a bond servant.
2. a person entirely under the domination of some influence or person: a slave to a drug.
3. a drudge: a housekeeping slave.
Look closely at the first two. The first one states slavery as being in control of another person. God may not be a “person” per say, but is an almighty entity who planned out all our actions past, present, and future not controlling us? As for the definition of the second one, same basic thing. As long as god is all knowing and all omnipotent, he has complete control over what you do.
The same can be done with atheism or any belief or 'non-belief'.
You did say God does not exist so it can’t be slavery since God does not exist.
If God did exist he gives you the choice anyways. I chose not to believe.
Belief isn’t a choice.
wat?
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| | | 03 Jun 2008 12:59 am |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 26Joined: 06 May 2007 Posts: 3,027 OFFLINE | ChaosSpartan wrote:
petrofsky wrote:
If you do not believe what the pope says, the bible states that you are going to hell.
...No it doesn’t.
As a matter of fact it does.
Example: Galileo.
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UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 26Joined: 06 May 2007 Posts: 3,027 OFFLINE | 98supra wrote:
ramunematt wrote:
the21gamer wrote:
ramunematt wrote:
the21gamer wrote:
It’s choice.
I disagree. When a religion has been indoctrinated into a child’s mind to be the only true religion, then by the time that kid grows up they’ve all free will to leave that religion.
Aside from indoctrination, most religion itself is a form of slavery. If you want proof then just read a bible or read a quran and count how many times they try to control people and how they act by reward or threat.
Here are the three of the definititions of “slavery” from dictionary.com:
1. the state of being under the control of another person [syn: bondage]
2. the practice of owning slaves
3. work done under harsh conditions for little or no pay
I had to choose the second section because the first didn’t give any real definition (one of those, “slavery is the act of slaves” kind of thing)
here is the definition of a slave:
1. a person who is the property of and wholly subject to another; a bond servant.
2. a person entirely under the domination of some influence or person: a slave to a drug.
3. a drudge: a housekeeping slave.
Look closely at the first two. The first one states slavery as being in control of another person. God may not be a “person” per say, but is an almighty entity who planned out all our actions past, present, and future not controlling us? As for the definition of the second one, same basic thing. As long as god is all knowing and all omnipotent, he has complete control over what you do.
The same can be done with atheism or any belief or 'non-belief'.
You did say God does not exist so it can’t be slavery since God does not exist.
If God did exist he gives you the choice anyways. I chose not to believe.
Belief isn’t a choice.
wat?
Belief is not really a choice. You believe what you believe. You cannot convince yourself to believe something because you want to believe in it to fit in or anything.
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