Now straight up I have no problem with any philosophy of anyone. My only issue I have with it, is when its organized. I mean there are numerous religions out there that have numerous people all following the same belief. Yet I find this hard to believe considering I was under the impression that beliefs about the world, life, and humanity in general should be derived by your own perceptions and views.
I find it very hard to believe that your belief can be someone else’s beliefs as there is no way that 2 people think exactly alike. I mean this is even shown in religion why there are so many numerous denominations because even peole that have similar beliefs can’t even agree on small things within the religion. How am I supposed to believe that every last one of those people have the exact same idea on how this world and universe was created.
So that’s my major issues. Beliefs and philosophies are individualistic. It is something you have to find out for yourself and some decision you’ll derive yourself. Organized religions just can’t provide an answer for you because it isn’t YOUR ANSWER. The most important thing about believing in something is it’s your beliefs and no one else’s. Don’t let someone take that freedom away from you.
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Well, you just take their answer and decide what’s good for you. I know people that go to church but don’t believe everything the church says and have slightly different beliefs in God.
People like to gather so they’re not alone. I just don’t like how some try to convert you.
It’s the same way with atheism. There has been organized atheism before.
Online Predator wrote:
Well, you just take their answer and decide what’s good for you. I know people that go to church but don’t believe everything the church says and have slightly different beliefs in God.
Well that’s what I’m talking about. No one person’s beliefs can be similar to another’s. So why waste your time with religion if its not your belief. So what if it might have pieces of what you believe, it still isn’t YOUR BELIEFS. And shouldn’t that self dignity matter the most.
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They can be similar and they can be exactly the same. It’s just that they usually vary so they just go broadly. You just pick through it. If they get something out of it then it wasn’t a waste.
It’s just that usually not every belief is the same but a single belief can be the same.
Why waste our time with a constitution if no one can believe the same?
1indainfinite wrote:
Can you cruch that inot one or two sentences?
Sure.
Take pride in what you believe in and don’t let those bastards tell you what you should think about the world. Some organization can’t tell you what you believe in because they aren’t you.
--- It’s not about money. It’s about sending a message. Everything burns.
Online Predator wrote:
They can be similar and they can be exactly the same. It’s just that they usually vary so they just go broadly. You just pick through it. If they get something out of it then it wasn’t a waste.
Why waste our time with a constitution if no one can believe the same?
You believe what you think is right and what you believe is what 21 believes. Now what the Pope believes, or the Dahlai Llama, ect. You believe what 21 believes and I believe what I believe. It’s the 21 and Zucas religions and they are exclusive to ourselves.
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1indainfinite wrote:
Can you cruch that inot one or two sentences?
Sure.
Take pride in what you believe in and don’t let those bastards tell you what you should think about the world. Some organization can’t tell you what you believe in because they aren’t you.
Now I get it
--- God is evil God is pure God is neither God is God
Don’t FUCK with my insanity I’ll warp your REALiTY
Truthfully, I don’t think you understand why some people go to church. True some are just cattle but some just believe in that.
You have to see it from their eyes and not your own.
What applies to you does not apply to them.
I get nothing out of going to church. In fact, I hate it.
But other people get a sense of security or a place where they can express themselves.
They don’t believe everything the church says and they don’t let the church control their lives. They choose to go to church but not to believe everything and not to let them infringe upon their private lives. For most they don;t need to stand up because they are already standing up.
Put it this way. By not going to church I am part of your group Zucas. I am part of the atheist group that does not go to church. It’s not that different.
Beliefs are personal but not exclusive. You believe in freedom of speech and I believe in freedom of speech. We both share the same belief there.
I think they are exclusive cause I just doubt that one human can see the world the same way another human does. Our brains are too complex to allow that.
And I have no problem with people going to church, but I think its wrong to have someone preach to you what you should believe.
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The difference is they choose to go and they are only listening to what they feel the preacher is right about. if the preacher is wrong they ignore it.
If the preacher breaks boundaries and begins forcing people to stay or listen and locks the doors then there is something wrong but it’s only with that particular preacher or church and not with all the organized religion.
I generally don’t like organized religion but it’s not a threat unless it gets to a certain point and becomes a cult.
You are putting faith in the idea that no human can ever see something the same way or believe in the same thing. If it were true that no human could then there wouldn’t be countries.
Let me rephrase that. Individual beliefs aren’t exclusive. But overall what you believe in is exclusive. Let’s not get that confused. Of course someone can believe among with 80% of the world’s population that there is a god. But what are the chances that they all believe in a god, 1 god, had a son called Jesus Christ, part of the trinity that includes the holy ghost, but in reality are the same person, but not technically a person because it’s a spiritual being, but still died for our sins, but only one of them did even though they are the same person, yet arose 3 days later to join his other personage, yet they still follow the same lines as our father, song and ghost setup.
Chances are 0 to none, yet close to 20% of the world’s population follow a religion that preches exactly that.
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The first few sentences are contradictory. It makes absolutely no sense.
Not all 80% believe in what you said but definitely more than 1 person does.
As I said before. Not every belief of one christian is going to be the same as another but there are beliefs that are the same.
You can entirely disband all organized religion but people with the same or similar beliefs will still come together to express them or and feel safety.
Beliefs are not like personalities where no two personalities or people are exactly the same.
Zucas, you acting just like a preacher and you are preaching your views.
And if people are just like leeches then why am I not agreeing with you?
No, the first two sentences do not make sense. You either used poor wording or the idea just does not make sense.
What you are asking, Zucas, is for conformity. You are asking for them to conform to what you believe.
There is no difference between you and what you are arguing against except for differing beliefs.
What you need to understand is that what applies to you does not apply to everybody. Just because religion isn’t for you doesn’t mean it’s not for other people. It doesn’t mean people have to do what you would do and walk out of the church. They don’t share your beliefs when it comes to God so they aren’t going to conform to what you say and do what you do.
You have perfectly valid reasons why religion isn’t for you but you cannot apply those reasons to other people. You keep looking at it like everybody is going through what you go through when it comes to religion or everybody has the same problems you do when it comes to religion. They aren’t like. they are different people with different beliefs.
You want them to stand up, walk out, and not be a part of it but that is no different because all they are doing is walking in to your church or my church.
It just happens that people’s beliefs can be the same.
And laziness just makes me not want to go to church. It doesn’t necessarily lead to my conformity with the church.
I’m not asking for anything. I’m simply expressing my views on an issue with very convincing evidence. I’m not turning anyone around just expressing my opinions. Try not to get so intense. Sounds like you have a few problems with me expressing my opinions. I am asking no one to agree with what I’m saying, nor am I allowing what you to say turn around what I believe. So I don’t see what your point is. It’s funny though that you thought I was preaching to people though haha. I’m simply expressing my opinions. Guess I can’t do that anymore.
Back to facism I suppose.
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Well for those who don’t want to read through this dribble just note this is my opinion on organized religion. Which is why MY is the keyword in the topic. I’m simply saying your entire collection of beliefs has no chance of being similar to others so why waste your time with religion. It’s my opinion on the matter, and even though I should never ever have to say that, it is not a demanding you to do what I say as some would like to imply.
*this message brought to you by Zucas incorporated, designed to kick your ass*
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