Um, this is the CLark who will grow up t obe the clark WHo crosses the universe in no time, so...
ALso, going off of supe’s data, changing time streams doesn’t affect him....NOW, i don’t know if his smallvilel biofield protects him, but everywhere else, it doesn’t work on him....
UM, Clark will eventually develop time powers, of a sort...ignoring that, Clark is alreayd Faster than light, in SMallville, by far.....( HE moves so fast that particles moving around light speed are Frozen to him till he exits super speed) so no, IN that scenario, he’d be able to move at super speed in a world frozen( BTW the FLash pulls off this trick multiple times in Smallville, and i do believe Brainiac did once as well)...so ,he can ALWAYS amp it up/..
so, Clrl’s SPEED BLITZ CANNOT BE STOPPED< BUT, peter’s stopped time, so how can he attac ka clark who can keep going faster??
ALso, in Superspee,d CLark has strength , btu he’s a wuss and doesnt use it, most of time he prefers heat vision, while super speeding...
Keollyn wrote:
Yes, it is the latter. There’s no other explanation for a speedster stating AND proving that this is not a time stop.
And normal speeds? Given that Clark is faster than Daphne, I don’t see how he’ll be operating on (Daphne) normal speeds during this obvious time slow when he’s magnitudes faster than her.
P.S. How did I twist anything? This season nerfed Hiro’s time freeze with this evidence. Can’t twist blatant fact genius.
1st off, i think u concluded this fight with the words"oh my, the blitz”
2nd, seriously.
Which episode of heroes???? I missed the new season begenning, and am addicted to super SPEED, which is why i watch SM, but anyway, which heroes episode does a super speeder beat time slowing????
i GOTTA see this..
Keollyn wrote:
Yes, it is the latter. There’s no other explanation for a speedster stating AND proving that this is not a time stop.
And normal speeds? Given that Clark is faster than Daphne, I don’t see how he’ll be operating on (Daphne) normal speeds during this obvious time slow when he’s magnitudes faster than her.
P.S. How did I twist anything? This season nerfed Hiro’s time freeze with this evidence. Can’t twist blatant fact genius.
1st off, i think u concluded this fight with the words"oh my, the blitz”
2nd, seriously.
Which episode of heroes???? I missed the new season begenning, and am addicted to super SPEED, which is why i watch SM, but anyway, which heroes episode does a super speeder beat time slowing????
i GOTTA see this..
THanks, im trying to watch it now( didnt record the first 2 episodes, and on internet they NEVER load for some reason, though i’m getting past that)( at the moment, i’ve seen hiro’s first encounter with daphne, nothing more, at this point...
I have t osay that Daphne si slower than clark, only because Clark is standardly faster than this as it is, and also, he’ll become even faster..
Keollyn wrote:
Oh the blitz. Oh my, the blitz.
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLLOLOLOLOLOL, best quote EVer!!!!!!!!!
Prime time wrote:
Um, this is the CLark who will grow up t obe the clark WHo crosses the universe in no time, so...
ALso, going off of supe’s data, changing time streams doesn’t affect him....NOW, i don’t know if his smallvilel biofield protects him, but everywhere else, it doesn’t work on him....
UM, Clark will eventually develop time powers, of a sort...ignoring that, Clark is alreayd Faster than light, in SMallville, by far.....( HE moves so fast that particles moving around light speed are Frozen to him till he exits super speed) so no, IN that scenario, he’d be able to move at super speed in a world frozen( BTW the FLash pulls off this trick multiple times in Smallville, and i do believe Brainiac did once as well)...so ,he can ALWAYS amp it up/..
so, Clrl’s SPEED BLITZ CANNOT BE STOPPED< BUT, peter’s stopped time, so how can he attac ka clark who can keep going faster??
ALso, in Superspee,d CLark has strength , btu he’s a wuss and doesnt use it, most of time he prefers heat vision, while super speeding...
In Smallville it’s shown that he can keep up with other speedsters but in no way showed he was invulnerable to Hiro’s time stop which reduces a speedster to human speed, Peter has the capability to use multiple powers so he could speed up more than Clark, also there’s the phasing thing...
Trackz wrote:
, no ta single of what you are saying has been stated in the smallville show, clark hasnt been shown to resist certain abilities.
....he’d have no way o preventing peter from sending his body into a horse....
Show when I wrong. About his resistance with guy who destroy a body of human for a few secs and didn’t with Clark and he was trying, lol. And it was in Smallville. There were shown pretty much examples of his invulnerability.
Trackz wrote:
...teleporting off the planet (bfr=loss) and he teleported someone to africa because he didnt want to kill him, just get him out of the way.
I know he teleported Fatman to Africa cuz he didn’t want to kill him. But as I noticed he can’t teleport someone somewhere he never been or can’t imagine it. And Clark won’t die of it anyway.
And if Clark will know how to fly... =) Season 8 is just started he may learn it in this one ))))
Trackz wrote:
, no ta single of what you are saying has been stated in the smallville show, clark hasnt been shown to resist certain abilities.
....he’d have no way o preventing peter from sending his body into a horse....
Show when I wrong. About his resistance with guy who destroy a body of human for a few secs and didn’t with Clark and he was trying, lol. And it was in Smallville. There were shown pretty much examples of his invulnerability.
Trackz wrote:
...teleporting off the planet (bfr=loss) and he teleported someone to africa because he didnt want to kill him, just get him out of the way.
I know he teleported Fatman to Africa cuz he didn’t want to kill him. But as I noticed he can’t teleport someone somewhere he never been or can’t imagine it. And Clark won’t die of it anyway.
And if Clark will know how to fly... =) Season 8 is just started he may learn it in this one ))))
um...so because someone else could use a power on him that means none of peters other powers wil lwork? that makes absolutely no sense
and it isnt stated that peter cant send someone to a place he’s nevr been he’s never been shown in africa, and hiro was able to teleport to places he’s never been as well
Peter:
stops time rendering clark as slow as a human
Trackz wrote:
um...so because someone else could use a power on him that means none of peters other powers wil lwork? that makes absolutely no sense
That is not what I said. Read once again. Body transformation didn’t work on Clark. And Peter’s new power surely transforms somehow the body of himself 8)
and it isnt stated that peter cant send someone to a place he’s nevr been he’s never been shown in africa, and hiro was able to teleport to places he’s never been as well
Once again, read my post upper. They need to figure in mind where they want to be.
Peter:
stops time rendering clark as slow as a human
then the fight is in peters hands
First of all. Clark is faster than Peter/Daphna so he would still moving faster than Peet will even see (it would be like smallville’s Flash vs Clark but in this case Clark will be in role of Flash).
Trackz wrote:
um...so because someone else could use a power on him that means none of peters other powers wil lwork? that makes absolutely no sense
That is not what I said. Read once again. Body transformation didn’t work on Clark. And Peter’s new power surely transforms somehow the body of himself 8)
and it isnt stated that peter cant send someone to a place he’s nevr been he’s never been shown in africa, and hiro was able to teleport to places he’s never been as well
Once again, read my post upper. They need to figure in mind where they want to be.
Peter:
stops time rendering clark as slow as a human
then the fight is in peters hands
First of all. Clark is faster than Peter/Daphna so he would still moving faster than Peet will even see (it would be like smallville’s Flash vs Clark but in this case Clark will be in role of Flash).
it has, on e of the few episdoes I’ve watched lightning hit him and him and lana switched bodies, meaning it is possible
what feats does clark have to prove he’s faster thnan daphne? she ran from france to germany in a couple of second. even if she a little faster than daphne he isnt faster than peter who can teleport--- me=destinyguy678
Trackz wrote:
one of the few episdoes I’ve watched lightning hit him and him and lana switched bodies, meaning it is possible
Didn’t you notice some green rock around there ?
And he didn’t switch bodies just gave some part of abilities to her.
He switched when was exposed to the black kryptonite.
Peter don’t have any kryptonite.
what feats does clark have to prove he’s faster thnan daphne? she ran from france to germany in a couple of second. even if he a little faster than daphne he isnt faster than peter who can teleport
Well he isn’t a little faster he is a lot faster. Well Daphna reach from one city to another in about 30 seconds and after she calm down Hiro’es gadget found her. And Clark runs from one country to another (well and the distance was longer) in about 2 seconds, and that was few seasons ago. When he found Brainiac and destroyed him he was moving much faster. And as Zod/Brainiac/Kara proved then they flying they can reach even greater speed.
Trackz wrote:
one of the few episdoes I’ve watched lightning hit him and him and lana switched bodies, meaning it is possible
Didn’t you notice some green rock around there ?
And he didn’t switch bodies just gave some part of abilities to her.
He switched when was exposed to the black kryptonite.
Peter don’t have any kryptonite.
what feats does clark have to prove he’s faster thnan daphne? she ran from france to germany in a couple of second. even if he a little faster than daphne he isnt faster than peter who can teleport
Well he isn’t a little faster he is a lot faster. Well Daphna reach from one city to another in about 30 seconds and after she calm down Hiro’es gadget found her. And Clark runs from one country to another (well and the distance was longer) in about 2 seconds, and that was few seasons ago. When he found Brainiac and destroyed him he was moving much faster. And as Zod/Brainiac/Kara proved then they flying they can reach even greater speed.
His fight with brainiac proved he moves WAY faster than light, for electrons are frozen till he exits...
NO time passes now when he superspeeds from one place to another, at real speed..
Daphne isn’t affected by hiro, and Clark’s so fast, it IS a time stop t ohim, MOre so than Daphne..
Trackz wrote:
one of the few episdoes I’ve watched lightning hit him and him and lana switched bodies, meaning it is possible
Didn’t you notice some green rock around there ?
And he didn’t switch bodies just gave some part of abilities to her.
He switched when was exposed to the black kryptonite.
Peter don’t have any kryptonite.
what feats does clark have to prove he’s faster thnan daphne? she ran from france to germany in a couple of second. even if he a little faster than daphne he isnt faster than peter who can teleport
Well he isn’t a little faster he is a lot faster. Well Daphna reach from one city to another in about 30 seconds and after she calm down Hiro’es gadget found her. And Clark runs from one country to another (well and the distance was longer) in about 2 seconds, and that was few seasons ago. When he found Brainiac and destroyed him he was moving much faster. And as Zod/Brainiac/Kara proved then they flying they can reach even greater speed.
His fight with brainiac proved he moves WAY faster than light, for electrons are frozen till he exits...
NO time passes now when he superspeeds from one place to another, at real speed..
Daphne isn’t affected by hiro, and Clark’s so fast, it IS a time stop t ohim, MOre so than Daphne..
keollyn wrote:
OH, the blitz. Oh my, the blitz.
We haven’t seen enough of Daphne’s speed to be sure if she is as fast or slower than clark, however Daphne IS affected by time stop, she’s reduced to normal human speed, Clark’s speed might not be as reduced as Daphne’s but it still would be reduced to the point that Peter could keep up using it in conjunction with his own enhanced speed, if Peter could get a clear shot with phasing, he should be able to kill clark
Trackz wrote:
one of the few episdoes I’ve watched lightning hit him and him and lana switched bodies, meaning it is possible
Didn’t you notice some green rock around there ?
And he didn’t switch bodies just gave some part of abilities to her.
He switched when was exposed to the black kryptonite.
Peter don’t have any kryptonite.
what feats does clark have to prove he’s faster thnan daphne? she ran from france to germany in a couple of second. even if he a little faster than daphne he isnt faster than peter who can teleport
Well he isn’t a little faster he is a lot faster. Well Daphna reach from one city to another in about 30 seconds and after she calm down Hiro’es gadget found her. And Clark runs from one country to another (well and the distance was longer) in about 2 seconds, and that was few seasons ago. When he found Brainiac and destroyed him he was moving much faster. And as Zod/Brainiac/Kara proved then they flying they can reach even greater speed.
His fight with brainiac proved he moves WAY faster than light, for electrons are frozen till he exits...
NO time passes now when he superspeeds from one place to another, at real speed..
Daphne isn’t affected by hiro, and Clark’s so fast, it IS a time stop t ohim, MOre so than Daphne..
keollyn wrote:
OH, the blitz. Oh my, the blitz.
We haven’t seen enough of Daphne’s speed to be sure if she is as fast or slower than clark, however Daphne IS affected by time stop, she’s reduced to normal human speed, Clark’s speed might not be as reduced as Daphne’s but it still would be reduced to the point that Peter could keep up using it in conjunction with his own enhanced speed, if Peter could get a clear shot with phasing, he should be able to kill clark
Because Superman’s only weaknesses, as defined through time were kryptonite, sometimes magic, ;; i’m going to conclude it WOULD NOT kill him..
however, ill give you this much...he does it to clark, he’ll damage him severely, liek that phantom did going through him, i think...in th ZOne
anyway, this Clar kwouldn’t be affected, because he has a variable effect...I’m sure he’s faster, because he’s Way past the poont where norm humans see him on a linear path...
More importantly, he can amp it up just like the Flash did in run....add that to the fact this is a PreCrisis supes, and his potential is infinite
Usign your scenario, peter stops time, Clark’s speedign and ISN’t affected to the pont that he’s moving at walkign speed...
what happens is this:: peter realizes he has NO arsenel to attack clark ,apart from tryign to use phasing( if they sped up fast enough , electricity wont work at clark’s faster than light speeds:see Brainiac episode),,so, he has to physically hit clark ,who’s used his abilitity to amp up his speed, and Clark chooses to FIRST use the amp up technique from Justice” so he’s NOT faster by much for now”
Clark HAS a preferred weapon in this realm... HEAT VISION.......he’s done it before, HE CAN DO IT AGAIN.......peter’s in trouble, badly...
IF Peter tries to punch clark...provided clark isnt zooming around too fast and blitzing, and he gets lucky, he might Punch clark.....( yes, this could happen, sm clark’s a wuss who does get knocked around)...so, clark goes flying... if he keeps it up, clark’s on defensive....
Now, if Clark uses his full speed( im pretty sure that time-chrono kinetic powers will have trouble on someoen who’s above light speed:[discovered by lionel] , Peter’s in trouble...as he isn’t as durable, and Clark MIGHT pull one out of his hat and pull a time-control abilitity out[ he’ll get them SOONER or LATER , the possibility always exists]
SO, Peter’s at a disadvantage, due to vunerability, and lacking the abilitity to go EVEN FURTHER BEYOND once the world isn’t moving forward while speeders and time controllers stil lare..
this is what oen calls SUPER time dilation, ..though it can be likened to the clockstoppers, or Chaos Control...
I see Clark winning the Speed issue, unless Peter pulsl a crapshoot out and FLies in time-stopped land, whereas Clark is a WUSS with flying, and can onyl do SUper Jumps( flying wihtout sustained power, he’s a wuss) in which case, Clark has to try to shoot him down, or risk super jumping into orbit( at these speeds, one WRONG jump and anyone’s off the planet due to orbital velocity) and having to land hard, and find him again
Still, out of this whole fight, i can’t say t better than Keollyn — — -(BTW, WHere’d HE GO?) — -
Trackz wrote:
one of the few episdoes I’ve watched lightning hit him and him and lana switched bodies, meaning it is possible
Didn’t you notice some green rock around there ?
And he didn’t switch bodies just gave some part of abilities to her.
He switched when was exposed to the black kryptonite.
Peter don’t have any kryptonite.
what feats does clark have to prove he’s faster thnan daphne? she ran from france to germany in a couple of second. even if he a little faster than daphne he isnt faster than peter who can teleport
Well he isn’t a little faster he is a lot faster. Well Daphna reach from one city to another in about 30 seconds and after she calm down Hiro’es gadget found her. And Clark runs from one country to another (well and the distance was longer) in about 2 seconds, and that was few seasons ago. When he found Brainiac and destroyed him he was moving much faster. And as Zod/Brainiac/Kara proved then they flying they can reach even greater speed.
His fight with brainiac proved he moves WAY faster than light, for electrons are frozen till he exits...
NO time passes now when he superspeeds from one place to another, at real speed..
Daphne isn’t affected by hiro, and Clark’s so fast, it IS a time stop t ohim, MOre so than Daphne..
keollyn wrote:
OH, the blitz. Oh my, the blitz.
We haven’t seen enough of Daphne’s speed to be sure if she is as fast or slower than clark, however Daphne IS affected by time stop, she’s reduced to normal human speed, Clark’s speed might not be as reduced as Daphne’s but it still would be reduced to the point that Peter could keep up using it in conjunction with his own enhanced speed, if Peter could get a clear shot with phasing, he should be able to kill clark
Because Superman’s only weaknesses, as defined through time were kryptonite, sometimes magic, ;; i’m going to conclude it WOULD NOT kill him..
however, ill give you this much...he does it to clark, he’ll damage him severely, liek that phantom did going through him, i think...in th ZOne
anyway, this Clar kwouldn’t be affected, because he has a variable effect...I’m sure he’s faster, because he’s Way past the poont where norm humans see him on a linear path...
More importantly, he can amp it up just like the Flash did in run....add that to the fact this is a PreCrisis supes, and his potential is infinite
Usign your scenario, peter stops time, Clark’s speedign and ISN’t affected to the pont that he’s moving at walkign speed...
what happens is this:: peter realizes he has NO arsenel to attack clark ,apart from tryign to use phasing( if they sped up fast enough , electricity wont work at clark’s faster than light speeds:see Brainiac episode),,so, he has to physically hit clark ,who’s used his abilitity to amp up his speed, and Clark chooses to FIRST use the amp up technique from Justice” so he’s NOT faster by much for now”
Clark HAS a preferred weapon in this realm... HEAT VISION.......he’s done it before, HE CAN DO IT AGAIN.......peter’s in trouble, badly...
IF Peter tries to punch clark...provided clark isnt zooming around too fast and blitzing, and he gets lucky, he might Punch clark.....( yes, this could happen, sm clark’s a wuss who does get knocked around)...so, clark goes flying... if he keeps it up, clark’s on defensive....
Now, if Clark uses his full speed( im pretty sure that time-chrono kinetic powers will have trouble on someoen who’s above light speed:[discovered by lionel] , Peter’s in trouble...as he isn’t as durable, and Clark MIGHT pull one out of his hat and pull a time-control abilitity out[ he’ll get them SOONER or LATER , the possibility always exists]
SO, Peter’s at a disadvantage, due to vunerability, and lacking the abilitity to go EVEN FURTHER BEYOND once the world isn’t moving forward while speeders and time controllers stil lare..
this is what oen calls SUPER time dilation, ..though it can be likened to the clockstoppers, or Chaos Control...
I see Clark winning the Speed issue, unless Peter pulsl a crapshoot out and FLies in time-stopped land, whereas Clark is a WUSS with flying, and can onyl do SUper Jumps( flying wihtout sustained power, he’s a wuss) in which case, Clark has to try to shoot him down, or risk super jumping into orbit( at these speeds, one WRONG jump and anyone’s off the planet due to orbital velocity) and having to land hard, and find him again
Still, out of this whole fight, i can’t say t better than Keollyn — — -(BTW, WHere’d HE GO?) — -
Madoki wrote:
We haven’t seen enough of Daphne’s speed to be sure if she is as fast or slower than clark
Actually we saw. 3 season 1-2 episode is enough.
Hiro stoped time right before the wind that grabs formula ? Nope. In about 2 seconds after it. And Daphne was still in the building, even more, she was at the same flor. For this time Clark crossed the country.
Daphne ran from Paris to Berlyn in about 30 seconds, can’t remember the exact time.
Hiro can blink before she came close, and did it 2 times. Noone could over blink Clark, except Bart of course.
Oh, and phasing won’t work.
3 episode shows that Peter (future) made fusion of Peter’s (ours) body and sound-man. It was converting the body and manipulation with brains. He can’t do the same to Clark.
I love Peter and Clark, they are both good guys trying to save the world. I thing it would be awesome if the joined together to get rid of people like Sylar. I don’t care who is more powerful, I don’t know who is more powerful,but I know I love them both. So they are both awesome. It doesn’t matter who is more powerful.They both want the same thing to SAVE THE WORLD.
Trackz wrote:
one of the few episdoes I’ve watched lightning hit him and him and lana switched bodies, meaning it is possible
Didn’t you notice some green rock around there ?
And he didn’t switch bodies just gave some part of abilities to her.
He switched when was exposed to the black kryptonite.
Peter don’t have any kryptonite.
what feats does clark have to prove he’s faster thnan daphne? she ran from france to germany in a couple of second. even if he a little faster than daphne he isnt faster than peter who can teleport
Well he isn’t a little faster he is a lot faster. Well Daphna reach from one city to another in about 30 seconds and after she calm down Hiro’es gadget found her. And Clark runs from one country to another (well and the distance was longer) in about 2 seconds, and that was few seasons ago. When he found Brainiac and destroyed him he was moving much faster. And as Zod/Brainiac/Kara proved then they flying they can reach even greater speed.
so what exactly is stopping clar kfrom having his body switched ,especially when he hasnt been shown to resist it?
and umm daphne went from paris to germany in a couple of seconds pretty sure
so time stop for all intents and purposes = no super speed for clark
Fillerguy wrote:
The girl speedster may be even faster than Clark. Hiro apparently doesnt fully stop time, just slows it down to the point where thing look like they are frozen. So in a way his timestop was nerfed.
Daphne, the speedster, was to fast to be effected by Hiro manipulation of time. The fastest we’ve seen Clark moves is him moving so fast that things seem frozen.
Either way, Future Peter >>>>>>>>> Present Hiro’s time/space manipulation abilities. One he uses it, to timestop or just slow things down, Future Peter still has his own superspeed while this are stopped/slowed down. Clark will not be able to blitz him (not like he does that in character)
Someone seemed to miss this...
“Daphne has a speed feat of traveling 900km in near a minute. Clark has made several 2400 and 4300km trips in a few seconds.
they’re not even close in speed."
And to add to that, Clark just recently had one where he ran to Brazil and back before Oliver lost his life. Shall I inform you that that trip one-way is 8000+ km!!
They’re not even close in speed. I repeat, they’re not even close in speed.
I love Peter and Clark, they are both good guys trying to save the world. I thing it would be awesome if the joined together to get rid of people like Sylar. I don’t care who is more powerful, I don’t know who is more powerful,but I know I love them both. So they are both awesome. It doesn’t matter who is more powerful.They both want the same thing to SAVE THE WORLD.
Neutral Girl
i agree with you, unfortunatly, the thread was created to pit them against each other.....so they’re fighting...
If they were a team, they would OWN Sylar, Brainiac, Daphne, Hiro, and everyoen else....
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