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16 Jul 2008 02:33 pm
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Who says time always existed how we percieve and measure it?
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16 Jul 2008 02:34 pm
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petrofsky wrote:
Red_Calibur9 wrote:
petrofsky nli wrote: Keep in mind this is just an idea, just how people who believe in God is an idea. It does not mean that I am right or wrong.


Okay, let’s say God’s life is a never ending line. and in the middle of this line is when God created the world.

Here is the point.

God never created the world.

Because the time before he got to that point is infinite, and never ending, he never would have reached the point of making the planet.


This was an idea I came up with, and I thought it was interesting.

So going by your logic here...

Since numbers are infinite, then by your logic, any one number cannot exist since there are infinite numbers on either side of it.

But we know that this is not the case, so once again, God lives on.


Time DOES go on forever though.

So do numbers.
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16 Jul 2008 02:36 pm
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ramunematt wrote:
Oranje wrote: In my opinion. Time does not exist. It’s just a measurement we use to gague existance.


Without time there can be no space, and by extension gravity.


What I meant was tims is not finite. In my opinion there was no beginning and there will be no end. I was more pointing out the fact that man seems to always have to put a stamp, label or measurement on everything.
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16 Jul 2008 02:53 pm
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Red_Calibur9 wrote:
petrofsky wrote:
Red_Calibur9 wrote:
petrofsky nli wrote: Keep in mind this is just an idea, just how people who believe in God is an idea. It does not mean that I am right or wrong.


Okay, let’s say God’s life is a never ending line. and in the middle of this line is when God created the world.

Here is the point.

God never created the world.

Because the time before he got to that point is infinite, and never ending, he never would have reached the point of making the planet.


This was an idea I came up with, and I thought it was interesting.

So going by your logic here...

Since numbers are infinite, then by your logic, any one number cannot exist since there are infinite numbers on either side of it.

But we know that this is not the case, so once again, God lives on.


Time DOES go on forever though.

So do numbers.


I know they do. That is why time can be measured by numbers well (like seconds, hours, etc)And like time, number lines have no beginning and they have no end.
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16 Jul 2008 02:59 pm
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petrofsky wrote:
Red_Calibur9 wrote:
petrofsky wrote:
Red_Calibur9 wrote:
petrofsky nli wrote: Keep in mind this is just an idea, just how people who believe in God is an idea. It does not mean that I am right or wrong.


Okay, let’s say God’s life is a never ending line. and in the middle of this line is when God created the world.

Here is the point.

God never created the world.

Because the time before he got to that point is infinite, and never ending, he never would have reached the point of making the planet.


This was an idea I came up with, and I thought it was interesting.

So going by your logic here...

Since numbers are infinite, then by your logic, any one number cannot exist since there are infinite numbers on either side of it.

But we know that this is not the case, so once again, God lives on.


Time DOES go on forever though.

So do numbers.


I know they do. That is why time can be measured by numbers well (like seconds, hours, etc)And like time, number lines have no beginning and they have no end.

So... your point is what?
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16 Jul 2008 06:04 pm
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Oranje wrote:
ramunematt wrote:
Oranje wrote: In my opinion. Time does not exist. It’s just a measurement we use to gague existance.


Without time there can be no space, and by extension gravity.


What I meant was tims is not finite. In my opinion there was no beginning and there will be no end. I was more pointing out the fact that man seems to always have to put a stamp, label or measurement on everything.


Well the thing is time IS finite, it had a beginning. If time was infinite then an infinite amount of time had to have passed before getting to this moment.
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16 Jul 2008 08:22 pm
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Son Gohan The True SSJ2 wrote:
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can you see gravity


uh it’s a distortion, and actually yes we can. Einstein gave us a nice clear picture of light bending around the sun during a solar eclipse proving indisputably that gravity exists as the sun affected the photons enough to bend them around itself.

Here’s a link
Solar eclipse


we just see the effect...
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16 Jul 2008 08:36 pm
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Time.. isn’t... real. It’s only an illusion.
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16 Jul 2008 08:37 pm
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cant roll back time... this life also an illusions... is it a dream or reality...???

in fact is... brain accept everything... reality or illusions...
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16 Jul 2008 11:14 pm
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Oranje wrote:
ramunematt wrote:
Oranje wrote: In my opinion. Time does not exist. It’s just a measurement we use to gague existance.


Without time there can be no space, and by extension gravity.


What I meant was tims is not finite. In my opinion there was no beginning and there will be no end. I was more pointing out the fact that man seems to always have to put a stamp, label or measurement on everything.


acctually there will be an end. If the universe dosnt contract back it will keep flying off for trillions trillions trillions trillion trillions trillions of years and in this time atoms them sevles will start decaying into nothingness leaving the universe utterly empty. Well this is one theroy at leat
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16 Jul 2008 11:15 pm
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Itachi Uchiha wrote: cant roll back time... this life also an illusions... is it a dream or reality...???

in fact is... brain accept everything... reality or illusions...

Only visual illusions Itachi. Like optical illusions for example.
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16 Jul 2008 11:18 pm
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Itachi did you happen to wath what the f do we know or something. U seem to have with all this reality talk
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16 Jul 2008 11:37 pm
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petrofsky nli wrote: God never created the world.


I believe this...i Doubt somebody can create the Earth...!!!
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17 Jul 2008 02:29 am
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Itachi Uchiha wrote:

we just see the effect...


Exactly, proving Gravity exists and isnt' something made up by evil atheists trying to overthrow religion.
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17 Jul 2008 03:14 am
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petrofsky nli wrote: Keep in mind this is just an idea, just how people who believe in God is an idea. It does not mean that I am right or wrong.


Okay, let’s say God’s life is a never ending line. and in the middle of this line is when God created the world.

Here is the point.

God never created the world.

Because the time before he got to that point is infinite, and never ending, he never would have reached the point of making the planet.


This was an idea I came up with, and I thought it was interesting.


The fact that we percieve time as linear does not necessarily mean it is so. Why can you not understand that?
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17 Jul 2008 03:17 am
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Son Gohan The True SSJ2 wrote:
Itachi Uchiha wrote:

we just see the effect...


Exactly, proving Gravity exists and isnt' something made up by evil atheists trying to overthrow religion.


Not...
We cant see gravity...

SSJ2 Gohan... I dun understand ur logic...
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17 Jul 2008 03:44 am
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We cant see gravity...

SSJ2 Gohan... I dun understand ur logic...


but you just admitted that we can see it’s effects, how can we see effects w/out a cause? You just said yourself Gravity is real by stating that. We’ve proven it exists, and I don’t get why it’s so important to see it, do you not believe in deadly gamma radiation even though we can’t see it?

Sean of the Living wrote:
The fact that we percieve time as linear does not necessarily mean it is so. Why can you not understand that?


Completely agree here we don’t know enough about it. The universe is a big place, it would be unwise to take the way we experience it on earth as the standard for the whole universe.---
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17 Jul 2008 06:40 am
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Son Gohan The True SSJ2 wrote:
Sean of the Living wrote:
The fact that we percieve time as linear does not necessarily mean it is so. Why can you not understand that?


Completely agree here we don’t know enough about it. The universe is a big place, it would be unwise to take the way we experience it on earth as the standard for the whole universe.


I didn’t mean that, I just meant human perception may be flawed
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17 Jul 2008 10:25 am
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Sean of the Living wrote:

I didn’t mean that, I just meant human perception may be flawed


ah, yes that’s a good point.
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ramunematt wrote:
Oranje wrote:
ramunematt wrote:
Oranje wrote: In my opinion. Time does not exist. It’s just a measurement we use to gague existance.


Without time there can be no space, and by extension gravity.


What I meant was tims is not finite. In my opinion there was no beginning and there will be no end. I was more pointing out the fact that man seems to always have to put a stamp, label or measurement on everything.


Well the thing is time IS finite, it had a beginning. If time was infinite then an infinite amount of time had to have passed before getting to this moment.


I can’t claim to be a scientist or a theorist. I was stating what I believe to be true. Time is just something that is. I don’t think anyone can claim it had a beginning or will have an end. Time is just a measurement of existance.
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