petrofsky wrote:
When the people in the middle east kill everyone that does not believe in the same things as them? Isn’t this a bit oxymoronic and fucking retarded?
in every religion there are different sects, you are using a minority of muslims to make a generilization about the entire religion.
petrofsky wrote:
When the people in the middle east kill everyone that does not believe in the same things as them? Isn’t this a bit oxymoronic and fucking retarded?
Why is christianity supposed to be a more peacful religion then judaisim when christians go off killing more people then jews?
Idk, which is a reason why I hate religion really.
Its because there are extreemists in christianity who feel that all other religions are to be killed.
petrofsky wrote:
When the people in the middle east kill everyone that does not believe in the same things as them? Isn’t this a bit oxymoronic and fucking retarded?
in every religion there are different sects, you are using a minority of muslims to make a generilization about the entire religion.
I dont call the entire Middle East a minority.
And Itachi is using a minority of Atheists
precisely, youre using a minority of muslim people who believe i na fourth “commandment” in the koran which states you must destroy all who dont follow islam pretty much.
but it is a minority, and you insult the entire culture and region by make a quick generalization with obviously no research and/or knowledge of the religion you are disrespecting
and what is this kindergarden “he made fun of me, so I’ll make fun of him." seriously. an eye for an eye and the whole world goes blind.
petrofsky wrote:
When the people in the middle east kill everyone that does not believe in the same things as them? Isn’t this a bit oxymoronic and fucking retarded?
in every religion there are different sects, you are using a minority of muslims to make a generilization about the entire religion.
I dont call the entire Middle East a minority.
And Itachi is using a minority of Atheists
It’s not the entire Middle East you fucking dolt. Saying EVERYONE in the Middle East is a murderer of non-Muslims is one of the idiotic things I have ever heard from you (and you complain that Itachi doesn’t understand Western society). Most of the people in the Middle East are just average civillians who don’t want to exterminate all infidels. Who said the ENTIRE Middle East was Muslim anyway? Israel is Jewish, and though Turkey has a Muslim majority it follows secular law and there are people of different religions living there. Itachi doesn’t even come from the Middle East, he’s from Indonesia, another country with a Muslim majority that manages to be democratic in the way of freedom of religion.
When does Islam specifically say it is THE religion of peace anyway? It says it is “a” religion of peace, not the only one, and the Quran is in fact tolerant of Christianity and Judaism if you’ve ever read it, saying Christians and Jews will go to heaven also. Mohammed didn’t force his beliefs on non-Abrahamic people’s either, he preached peacefully in Mecca to begin with; the only reason he slaughtered the pagans was because they banished HIM from Mecca were killing, banishing and forcefully converting HIS followers simply for being Muslims, not the other way around!
it might only be a small minority commiting offences, but the problem lies in something else I reckon..Christianity is different from Islam, because it allows you to question it. It probably wasn’t different in the past, but it is now. Christians — at least Christians in a liberal democracy — have accepted, after Thomas Hobbes, that they must obey the secular rule of law; that there must be a separation of church and state. In Islamic doctrine such a separation has not occurred yet. This is what makes it dangerous! Islam — all Islam, not just a minority — has not acknowledged that it must obey secular law. Islam is hostile to reason.
............no offense intended.
Watchman wrote:
it might only be a small minority commiting offences, but the problem lies in something else I reckon..Christianity is different from Islam, because it allows you to question it. It probably wasn’t different in the past, but it is now. Christians — at least Christians in a liberal democracy — have accepted, after Thomas Hobbes, that they must obey the secular rule of law; that there must be a separation of church and state. In Islamic doctrine such a separation has not occurred yet. This is what makes it dangerous! Islam — all Islam, not just a minority — has not acknowledged that it must obey secular law. Islam is hostile to reason.
............no offense intended.
Hmm “Christianity allows you to question it”? Then why is there such an outcry among the conservative Christians over anything that DOES question it? Such as the God Delusion, The Pagan Christ, etc. If they encourage “questioning”, then why do they try to get books and movies banned from public schools that “question Christianity”?
I know that there is a large group of Christians who certainly do not feel threatened by other people’s points of view. But the ultra-conservative faction tends to make its voice heard the loudest. Hmm...sounds like Islam somehow .
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Watchman wrote:
it might only be a small minority commiting offences, but the problem lies in something else I reckon..Christianity is different from Islam, because it allows you to question it. It probably wasn’t different in the past, but it is now. Christians — at least Christians in a liberal democracy — have accepted, after Thomas Hobbes, that they must obey the secular rule of law; that there must be a separation of church and state. In Islamic doctrine such a separation has not occurred yet. This is what makes it dangerous! Islam — all Islam, not just a minority — has not acknowledged that it must obey secular law. Islam is hostile to reason.
............no offense intended.
Hmm “Christianity allows you to question it”? Then why is there such an outcry among the conservative Christians over anything that DOES question it? Such as the God Delusion, The Pagan Christ, etc. If they encourage “questioning”, then why do they try to get books and movies banned from public schools that “question Christianity”?
I know that there is a large group of Christians who certainly do not feel threatened by other people’s points of view. But the ultra-conservative faction tends to make its voice heard the loudest. Hmm...sounds like Islam somehow .
I disagree. And agree...someehat... 1st the Faith Christian does allow for reasoning, debate and questions... I agree with the ultra conservative ones who would like to see things their way.
But at least they limit themselves to just trying to ban things they disagree with. Why?. Maybe because they know the rights of others to speak freely is part of secular law, even when it obviously opposes their own religious law...
A good muslim, from my many experiences is looking for sharia law to be implemented..
I ve also seen those who easily mock the Christian faith, tremble a little when makiing jokes about islam...
Watchman wrote:
But at least they limit themselves to just trying to ban things they disagree with. Why?. Maybe because they know the rights of others to speak freely is part of secular law, even when it obviously opposes their own religious law...
A good muslim, from my many experiences is looking for sharia law to be implemented..
Yes I agree about the legal aspect. But it’s difficult to know what conservatives/extremists of any religion would do if the cultural climate was right.
I have had some conservative Christians seriously state that they wished it was still legal to put certain religious groups to death. Burning, hanging, etc.
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Watchman wrote:
But at least they limit themselves to just trying to ban things they disagree with. Why?. Maybe because they know the rights of others to speak freely is part of secular law, even when it obviously opposes their own religious law...
A good muslim, from my many experiences is looking for sharia law to be implemented..
Yes I agree about the legal aspect. But it’s difficult to know what conservatives/extremists of any religion would do if the cultural climate was right.
I have had some conservative Christians seriously state that they wished it was still legal to put certain religious groups to death. Burning, hanging, etc.
there is a difference between wishing someone dead, and perpertrating what minories are currently doing.....with approval from large majority of normal muslims
NEREVAR117 wrote:
How do you know the ones who did that are Islamic?
Further more, all religions were designed to warp peoples minds, allowing those in charge of the religion to control them.
Not strictly true. There are plenty of religions that do not fall under a governing body and exist only for the spiritual advancement of the people who believe in them. Most modern pagans for instance worship only the deities that they feel resonate with them on a personal level whilst accepting the existence of others.
Buddhists are not governed over either and are completely peaceful and compassionate towards others.
Sadly, Islam is stuck where Christianity was a few hundred years ago, in that phase where the basic ideals are sound but the holy text is too easily interpretable in an extremist manner. The unfortunate thing is that there are more extremists in Islam than any other religion. Most religions go through that phase, but most have grown out of it by now. After all, if someone were to go around killing in the name of Jesus, Krishna, Odin etc they would be seen as criminally insane and locked up. There is no excuse for any kind of violence in the name of religion, we are not savages anymore.
As for the violence concerning the Jews, it’s all politics. They were given land that is rightfully theirs but refused to share it with the people who had been living there for generations, who in turn refused to accept them, it’s very very unfortunate with no real right or wrong side. It’s a conflict over land, nothing to do with religion at all really.
If I’m wrong on any of the facts here then I’m happy to be corrected.
NEREVAR117 wrote:
How do you know the ones who did that are Islamic?
Further more, all religions were designed to warp peoples minds, allowing those in charge of the religion to control them.
Not strictly true. There are plenty of religions that do not fall under a governing body and exist only for the spiritual advancement of the people who believe in them. Most modern pagans for instance worship only the deities that they feel resonate with them on a personal level whilst accepting the existence of others.
Buddhists are not governed over either and are completely peaceful and compassionate towards others.
Very true. Although I have to note that ancient pagan religions were not all about existing only for personal spiritual advancement...and not all modern pagan religions are either. Some are far more about reconstructing and adapting a particular culture (and its religion) on both a personal and community level.
Whether modern pagans “accept other deities” is also a point for much debate...but that’s almost an entirely different topic.
However, modern pagan religions have absolutely no interest in “converting” others. This is the key difference.
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Most people who defend the quran do not do it because its the right thing, but because they have been brought up to believe that it is the right thing. Anyone who reads the quran, can immediately tell it was written by primitive men who sole purpose was to kill anyone who oppose them..
This is also true for the other 2 major abraham religions. But the difference is the other 2 are hypocrites and do not follow their book.
--- Theory does not mean an unsubstantiated guess or hunch, as it can in everyday speech. A theory is a logically self-consistent model or framework for describing the behavior of a related set of natural or social phenomena.
most gplexes never do the right thing. wait, snce when has gplex ever done the right thing? never. the only right thing gplex does is leave every night
--- Theory is not a guess or hunch. A theory is a logical, self-consistent model. I am a theory. I’m logical and self-consistent about eradicating religion. Um. I guess a theory is a hunch because I’m a hunchback. In fact, I am the hunchback of Notre Dame. It’s ten cents a ride.
Gayplex wrote:
most gplexes never do the right thing. wait, snce when has gplex ever done the right thing? never. the only right thing gplex does is leave every night
you might want to stop
you already set yourself up for a ban already
but you might get a IP ban aswell
dont care. hes sick and someone needs to give him hell.
--- Theory is not a guess or hunch. A theory is a logical, self-consistent model. I am a theory. I’m logical and self-consistent about eradicating religion. Um. I guess a theory is a hunch because I’m a hunchback. In fact, I am the hunchback of Notre Dame. It’s ten cents a ride.
Gplex wrote:
Most people who defend the quran do not do it because its the right thing, but because they have been brought up to believe that it is the right thing. Anyone who reads the quran, can immediately tell it was written by primitive men who sole purpose was to kill anyone who oppose them..
This is also true for the other 2 major abraham religions. But the difference is the other 2 are hypocrites and do not follow their book.
...then why do so many people convert to it at adulthood?
Gayplex wrote:
dont care. hes sick and someone needs to give him hell.
i dont even think he’s online
and all you messeges well be deleted before he even gets back
most of them have to do with the topics anyways.
--- Theory is not a guess or hunch. A theory is a logical, self-consistent model. I am a theory. I’m logical and self-consistent about eradicating religion. Um. I guess a theory is a hunch because I’m a hunchback. In fact, I am the hunchback of Notre Dame. It’s ten cents a ride.
Gplex wrote:
Most people who defend the quran do not do it because its the right thing, but because they have been brought up to believe that it is the right thing. Anyone who reads the quran, can immediately tell it was written by primitive men who sole purpose was to kill anyone who oppose them..
This is also true for the other 2 major abraham religions. But the difference is the other 2 are hypocrites and do not follow their book.
...then why do so many people convert to it at adulthood?
While I don’t entirely agree with his original post I can easily answer that one. People who convert to a religion in adulthood are mostly able to see the beliefs objectively and interpret doctrine in a way that appeals to a sense of morals and ethics that is already developed. People raised in a religion are in danger of not knowing that there are alternatives or that religious writings are open to interpretations (I’m sorry, but NO holy book is the direct word of deity, and just because someone is called a prophet does not mean the actually are one, otherwise I could claim that The Lord of the Rings is the basis of a religion and JRR Tolkien was a prophet who recieved divine inspiration from God/Allah/Bob Sagat/Whoever). There is a lot in Islam that is peaceful and deeply spiritual, and that draws the adults. Children are too impressionable for some of the the more outdated content (including the lack of equality for women, I’m all for diversity of faith but sexual discrimination I will not condone, women deserve just as much respect as men). It is the same with Christianity, I will admit, it’s just that Christian countries have mainly had the privilege of enough education to make their own minds up (apart from the Bible Belt of course) about how best to follow their faith.
I for one was allowed to grow up without religion and then mae up my mind about my faith as an adult, and I am very very glad of that.
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