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Trackz wrote: no, not at all seeing as youre simply interpreting what they say at face value

theyre saying we will fight for what we believe in, does that have to mean physically they could “fight” in other ways as many do by preaching their religion to others and get many new people converting everyday

They will fight, and kill non believers who fight back, or make them pay a “tax”.

“Fight those who do not believe until they all surrender, paying the protective tax in submission."
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Ive been reading up about this peace stuff, apparently their was a guy who claim that once islam dominated the world their would be peace.
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Gplex wrote:
Trackz wrote: no, not at all seeing as youre simply interpreting what they say at face value

theyre saying we will fight for what we believe in, does that have to mean physically they could “fight” in other ways as many do by preaching their religion to others and get many new people converting everyday

They will fight, and kill non believers who fight back, or make them pay a “tax”.

“Fight those who do not believe until they all surrender, paying the protective tax in submission.“


They attack us first... GPlex Damned...
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ramunematt wrote: Two wrongs don’t make a right, Itachi


Oh no, you’re right they should’ve just let the pagans exterminate them all, thus doomimg what they believed was humaity’s only chance of survival and the pagans should not have to pay any money for the damage they’ve done to the Muslims or the lives they’d taken. Yep, totally fair. People should not be able to defend themselves in war or charge money for damages caused by invasion or genocide.
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Sean of the Living wrote:
petrofsky wrote:
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petrofsky wrote: When the people in the middle east kill everyone that does not believe in the same things as them? Isn’t this a bit oxymoronic and fucking retarded?

in every religion there are different sects, you are using a minority of muslims to make a generilization about the entire religion.


I dont call the entire Middle East a minority.

And Itachi is using a minority of Atheists wink


It’s not the entire Middle East you fucking dolt. Saying EVERYONE in the Middle East is a murderer of non-Muslims is one of the idiotic things I have ever heard from you (and you complain that Itachi doesn’t understand Western society). Most of the people in the Middle East are just average civillians who don’t want to exterminate all infidels. Who said the ENTIRE Middle East was Muslim anyway? Israel is Jewish, and though Turkey has a Muslim majority it follows secular law and there are people of different religions living there. Itachi doesn’t even come from the Middle East, he’s from Indonesia, another country with a Muslim majority that manages to be democratic in the way of freedom of religion.

When does Islam specifically say it is THE religion of peace anyway? It says it is “a” religion of peace, not the only one, and the Quran is in fact tolerant of Christianity and Judaism if you’ve ever read it, saying Christians and Jews will go to heaven also. Mohammed didn’t force his beliefs on non-Abrahamic people’s either, he preached peacefully in Mecca to begin with; the only reason he slaughtered the pagans was because they banished HIM from Mecca were killing, banishing and forcefully converting HIS followers simply for being Muslims, not the other way around!


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Itachi Uchiha wrote:
Gplex wrote:
Trackz wrote: no, not at all seeing as youre simply interpreting what they say at face value

theyre saying we will fight for what we believe in, does that have to mean physically they could “fight” in other ways as many do by preaching their religion to others and get many new people converting everyday

They will fight, and kill non believers who fight back, or make them pay a “tax”.

“Fight those who do not believe until they all surrender, paying the protective tax in submission.“


They attack us first... GPlex Damned...

Yes and you made it clear that attacking means making a cartoon about muhammad, or even questioning it you take that as a attack... Its the same when I hear someone say I don’t condole the killing on innocence.. And we all know how infidels are not innocencent right?
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Sean of the Living wrote:
ramunematt wrote: Two wrongs don’t make a right, Itachi


Oh no, you’re right they should’ve just let the pagans exterminate them all, thus doomimg what they believed was humaity’s only chance of survival and the pagans should not have to pay any money for the damage they’ve done to the Muslims or the lives they’d taken. Yep, totally fair. People should not be able to defend themselves in war or charge money for damages caused by invasion or genocide.

It says nothing about selfdefence, only about killing and hunting those you thing are you enemies.
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Sean of the Living wrote:
Sean of the Living wrote:
petrofsky wrote:
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petrofsky wrote: When the people in the middle east kill everyone that does not believe in the same things as them? Isn’t this a bit oxymoronic and fucking retarded?

in every religion there are different sects, you are using a minority of muslims to make a generilization about the entire religion.


I dont call the entire Middle East a minority.

And Itachi is using a minority of Atheists wink


It’s not the entire Middle East you fucking dolt. Saying EVERYONE in the Middle East is a murderer of non-Muslims is one of the idiotic things I have ever heard from you (and you complain that Itachi doesn’t understand Western society). Most of the people in the Middle East are just average civillians who don’t want to exterminate all infidels. Who said the ENTIRE Middle East was Muslim anyway? Israel is Jewish, and though Turkey has a Muslim majority it follows secular law and there are people of different religions living there. Itachi doesn’t even come from the Middle East, he’s from Indonesia, another country with a Muslim majority that manages to be democratic in the way of freedom of religion.

When does Islam specifically say it is THE religion of peace anyway? It says it is “a” religion of peace, not the only one, and the Quran is in fact tolerant of Christianity and Judaism if you’ve ever read it, saying Christians and Jews will go to heaven also. Mohammed didn’t force his beliefs on non-Abrahamic people’s either, he preached peacefully in Mecca to begin with; the only reason he slaughtered the pagans was because they banished HIM from Mecca were killing, banishing and forcefully converting HIS followers simply for being Muslims, not the other way around!


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Qur’an 9:71 “O Prophet, strive hard [fighting] against the unbelievers and the Hypocrites, and be harsh with them. Their abode is Hell, an evil refuge indeed."

Qur’an 8:59 “The infidels should not think that they can get away from us. Prepare against them whatever arms and weaponry you can muster so that you may terrorize them."

Qur’an 4:168 “Those who reject [Islamic] Faith, Allah will not forgive them nor guide them to any path except the way to Hell, to dwell therein forever. And this to Allah is easy."

Qur’an 4:114 “He who disobeys the Apostle after guidance has been revealed will burn in Hell."

Ishaq:344 “We smote them and they scattered. The impious met death. They became fuel for Hell. All who aren’t Muslims must go there. It will consume them while the Stoker [Allah] increases the heat. They had called Allah’s Apostle a liar. They claimed, 'You are nothing but a sorcerer.' So Allah destroyed them."

Qur’an 33:60 “Truly, if the Hypocrites stir up sedition, if the agitators in the City do not desist, We shall urge you to go against them and set you over them. They shall have a curse on them. Whenever they are found, they shall be seized and slain without mercy - a fierce slaughter - murdered, a horrible murdering."

Qur’an 33:64 “Verily Allah has cursed the Unbelievers [whom he defines as Christians in the 5th surah] and has prepared for them a Blazing Fire to dwell in forever. No protector will they find, nor savior. That Day their faces will be turned upside down in the Fire. They will say: 'Woe to us! We should have obeyed Allah and obeyed the Messenger!' 'Our Lord! Give them double torment and curse them with a very great Curse!'"

Qur’an 5:10 “Those who reject, disbelieve and deny Our signs, proofs and verses will be companions of Hell-Fire."

Qur’an 88:1 “Has the narration reached you of the overwhelming (calamity)? Some faces (all disbelievers, Jews and Christians) that Day, will be humiliated, downcast, scorched by the burning fire, while they are made to drink from a boiling hot spring."

Bukhari:V1B11N617 “I would order someone to collect firewood and another to lead prayer. Then I would burn the houses of men who did not present themselves at the compulsory prayer and prostration."

Bukhari:V1B11N626 “The Prophet said, 'No prayer is harder for the hypocrites than the Fajr. If they knew the reward they would come to (the mosque) even if they had to crawl. Certainly I decided to order a man to lead the prayer and then take a flame to burn all those who had not left their houses for the prayer, burning them alive inside their homes.'"

Bukhari:V4B52N260 “The Prophet said, 'If a Muslim discards his religion, kill him.'"

Qur’an 5:51 “Believers, take not Jews and Christians for your friends."

Qur’an 74:31 “We have appointed nineteen angels to be the wardens of the Hell Fire. We made a stumbling-block for those who disbelieve and We have fixed their number as a trial for unbelievers in order that the People of the Book may arrive with certainty, and that no doubts may be left for the People of the Book, those in whose hearts is a disease."

Bukhari:V4B54N487 “The Prophet said, 'The Hell Fire is 69 times hotter than ordinary worldly fires.' So someone said, 'Allah’s Apostle, wouldn’t this ordinary fire have been sufficient to torture the unbelievers?'"

Qur’an 72:15 “The disbelievers are the firewood of hell."

Qur’an 72:17 “If any turns away from the reminder of his Lord (the Qur’an), He will thrust him into an ever growing torment, and cause for him a severe penalty."

Qur’an 72:25 “Whoever disobeys the Lord and His Messenger then there is for him the fire of Hell where they shall abide forever."

Qur’an 88:21 “You are not a warden over them; except for those who turn away and disbelieve, in which case, he will be punished with the severest punishment. Verily to Us they will return."

Qur’an 90:19 “But those who reject Our Signs, Proofs, and Verses, they are the unhappy Companions of the Left Hand. Fire will be their awning, vaulting over them."

Qur’an 95:4 “We have indeed created man in the best molds. Then do We abase him, reducing him to be the lowest of the low, except such as believe."

Tabari VIII:130 “The Messenger said, 'Two religions cannot coexist in the Arabian Peninsula.' Umar investigated the matter, then sent to the Jews, saying: 'Allah has given permission for you to be expelled."

Qur’an 2:64 “But you [Jews] went back on your word and were lost losers. So become apes, despised and hated. We made an example out of you."

Qur’an 66:9 “O Prophet! Strive hard against the unbelieving Infidels and the Hypocrites; be severe against them. Their abode is Hell, an evil resort."

Qur’an 60:1 “Believers, take not my enemies and yours as allies, offering them love, even though they have rejected the truth that has come to you, and have driven out the Prophet and you because you believe in Allah! If you have come out to struggle [fight jihad] in My Cause, and to seek My Pleasure, (take them not as friends), holding secret converse of love with them: for I am aware of all you conceal. And any of you that does this has strayed from the Straight Path. If they were to get the better of you, they would be your foes, and stretch forth their hands and their tongues against you with evil (designs)."

Qur’an 60:4 “We reject you. Hostility and hate have come between us forever, unless you believe in Allah only.'"

Qur’an 48:13 “If any believe not in Allah and His Messenger, We have prepared a Blazing Fire for them!"

Qur’an 48:28 “It is He Who has sent His Messenger with guidance and the Religion of Truth (Islam), that he may make it superior to every other religion, exalting it over them. Allah is a sufficient Witness. Muhammad is the Prophet of Allah. Those who are with him are severe with Infidel unbelievers."

Qur’an 47:3 “Those who disbelieve follow vanities, while those who believe follow truth from their Lord: Thus does Allah coin for men their similitudes [resemblances] as a lesson. Whoever denies faith [in Islam and Muhammad], his work is of no account, and in the hereafter he shall be one of the losers."

Qur’an 9:2 “You cannot weaken Allah or escape. Allah will disgrace the unbelievers and put those who reject Him to shame."

Qur’an 9:4 “You cannot escape Allah, weaken or frustrate Him. And proclaim a grievous penalty of a painful doom to those who reject [Islamic] Faith."

Qur’an 9:17 “The disbelievers have no right to visit the mosques of Allah while bearing witness against their own souls to infidelity. These it is whose doings are in vain, and in the fire shall they abide. Only he shall visit the mosques of Allah who believes in Allah and the latter day, and keeps up devotional obligations, pays the zakat, and fears none but Allah."

Qur’an 9:28 “Believers, truly the pagan disbelievers are unclean."

Qur’an 9:30 “The Jews call Uzair (Ezra) the son of Allah, and the Christians say that the Messiah is the son of Allah. That is their saying from their mouths; they but imitate what the unbelievers of old used to say. Allah’s (Himself) fights against them, cursing them, damning and destroying them. How perverse are they!"

Qur’an 9:33 “He has sent His Messenger (Muhammad) with guidance and the Religion of Truth (Islam) to make it superior over all religions, even though the disbelievers detest (it)."

Qur’an 9:63 “Know they not that for those who oppose Allah and His Messenger is the Fire of Hell wherein they shall dwell? That is the supreme disgrace."

Qur’an 9:66 “Make no excuses: you have rejected Faith after you had accepted it. If We pardon some of you, We will punish others amongst you, for they are disbelievers."

Qur’an 9:113 “It is not fitting for the Prophet and those who believe, that they should pray for the forgiveness for disbelievers, even though they be close relatives, after it is clear to them that they are the inmates of the Flaming Hell Fire."

Qur’an 5:78 “Curses were pronounced on the unbelievers, the Children of Israel who rejected Islam, by the tongues of David and of Jesus because they disobeyed and rebelled."

Qur’an 5:80 “You see many of them allying themselves with the Unbelievers [other translations read: “Infidels”]. Vile indeed are their souls. Allah’s wrath is on them, and in torment will they abide."

Qur’an 5:82 “You will find the Jews and disbelievers [defined as Christians in 5:73] the most vehement in hatred for the Muslims."

Qur’an 5:86 “Those who reject Islam and are disbelievers, denying our Signs and Revelations - they shall be the owners of the Hell Fire."

Tabari IX:78 “No polytheist shall come near the Holy Mosque"
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Do I need to repeat that again stupid...???

or should I call you IDIOT...???
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Itachi Uchiha wrote: Do I need to repeat that again stupid...???

or should I call you IDIOT...???

Im going to keep posting diffrent quotes, because These no way I could take all of them out of context could I?
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so do you think that the majority of muslims are warmongers, and like blood and thunder? Or is this text merely proof of the need of iron in the age it was written in?
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the islam is just stupid thing
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Watchman wrote: so do you think that the majority of muslims are warmongers, and like blood and thunder? Or is this text merely proof of the need of iron in the age it was written in?

Stop putting words in our mouths, we are talking about islam, and some reason people keep trying to drag muslims into it as well.
If I said the bible is full of bs lies, does this somehow mean that I am calling every christian a bs liar? No, so please, actually read what we are typing and dont make shit up.
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your paranoid....it was question, not a statement...and considering that your the one posting all these quotes from the quoran, whats point exactly? I couldnt give a muggins what your thought are on the Bible..If you havent read it your disqualified to bea commentary on it.....
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Sean of the Living wrote:
ramunematt wrote: Two wrongs don’t make a right, Itachi


Oh no, you’re right they should’ve just let the pagans exterminate them all, thus doomimg what they believed was humaity’s only chance of survival and the pagans should not have to pay any money for the damage they’ve done to the Muslims or the lives they’d taken. Yep, totally fair. People should not be able to defend themselves in war or charge money for damages caused by invasion or genocide.


There are other means of self defense. Killing isn’t the only way.
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Watchman wrote: your paranoid....it was question, not a statement...and considering that your the one posting all these quotes from the quoran, whats point exactly? I couldnt give a muggins what your thought are on the Bible..If you havent read it your disqualified to bea commentary on it.....

Yes Im sure that the other chapters will justify everything I have read so far... If it had you would have pointed me to it, and not to contradictions.
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ramunematt wrote:
Sean of the Living wrote:
ramunematt wrote: Two wrongs don’t make a right, Itachi


Oh no, you’re right they should’ve just let the pagans exterminate them all, thus doomimg what they believed was humaity’s only chance of survival and the pagans should not have to pay any money for the damage they’ve done to the Muslims or the lives they’d taken. Yep, totally fair. People should not be able to defend themselves in war or charge money for damages caused by invasion or genocide.


There are other means of self defense. Killing isn’t the only way.
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Im going to keep posting diffrent quotes, because These no way I could take all of them out of context could I?


@matt, Polpot, Westerling, Mao, Slobodan Milosevic, Lenin, Stalin, DN. Aidit, Muso...

Do I need to continue...???

@Plex, you talk nothing except bull shit...
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i know you can’t say anything negative about your faith out of fear of execution but, how are these sayings:

Sura (8:55) - Surely the vilest of animals in Allah’s sight are those who disbelieve

Sura (48:29) - Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are hard (ruthless) against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves

Sura (9:30) - And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah, and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah... Allah (Himself) fights against them. How perverse are they!

Sura (8:12) - I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them

Sura (9:123) - O you who believe! Fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness

Sura (5:33) - The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement.

any different than these?:
“Muslims are the vilest of animals…”

“Show mercy to one another, but be ruthless to Muslims”

“How perverse are Muslims!”

“Strike off the heads of Muslims, as well as their fingertips”

“Fight those Muslims who are near to you”

“Muslim mischief makers should be murdered or crucified”


i’m guessing that is a question you can’t answer.

and stop talking about these people: Polpot, Westerling, Mao, Slobodan Milosevic, Lenin, Stalin, DN. Aidit, Muso.

they are not infringing on my rights and constantly threatining me with death. those would be muslims.
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