lol Very. Now, IMO, I think that there is life on other planets, but not all of them in particular. It would be a good discovery to find another race of people or humanoid beings.
now, lets just look at the numbers...this is a quote from wikipedia about the size of the milky way (our galaxy...)
“The stellar disk of the Milky Way galaxy is approximately 100,000 light years in diameter, and is believed to be, on average, about 1,000 light years thick.[8] It is estimated to contain at least 200 billion stars[9] and possibly up to 400 billion stars,[10] the exact figure depending on the number of very low-mass stars, which is highly uncertain. Extending beyond the stellar disk is a much thicker disk of gas. Recent observations indicate that the gaseous disk of the Milky Way has a thickness of around 12,000 light years - twice the previously accepted value.[11] As a guide to the relative physical scale of the Milky Way, if it were reduced to 130 km (80 mi) in diameter, the Solar System would be a mere 2 mm (0.08 inches) in width.
The Galactic Halo extends outward, but is limited in size by the orbits of the two Milky Way satellites, the Large and the Small Magellanic Clouds, whose perigalacticon is at ~180,000 light-years.[12]”
so, in our galaxy, we have 200,000,000,000 to 400,000,000,000 stars. but, moving on from that, we got the observable universe. in the observable universe, there is about 80 billion galaxies. more importantly, there are about 3 to 7 × 10^22 stars. thats 30,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 to 70,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 stars. we’re dealing with some pretty big numbers here. and, this is all assuming that we can see the entire universe, which is pretty damn unlikely.
don’t you think its just a BIT arrogant to assume that none of these stars have anything on them? i mean, assuming evolution is true and everything is via chance, who’s to say that the process of evolution didn’t occur in some other planet orbiting around one of these 20-70 sextillion (yeah, that’s the actual number...lulz sex) stars, that none of them have any life? and, who’s to say all life has to be like our life? i mean, we only know one way for life to exist. what if there is some other, equally complicated way that life could be built, under a completely different set of circumstances? who’s to say that at no point in the history of the universe was there a race which got smart enough to “abandon ship” when their star eventually broke down? to me, its incredibly arrogant to suggest we are the only things out there.
now, lets just look at the numbers...this is a quote from wikipedia about the size of the milky way (our galaxy...)
“The stellar disk of the Milky Way galaxy is approximately 100,000 light years in diameter, and is believed to be, on average, about 1,000 light years thick.[8] It is estimated to contain at least 200 billion stars[9] and possibly up to 400 billion stars,[10] the exact figure depending on the number of very low-mass stars, which is highly uncertain. Extending beyond the stellar disk is a much thicker disk of gas. Recent observations indicate that the gaseous disk of the Milky Way has a thickness of around 12,000 light years - twice the previously accepted value.[11] As a guide to the relative physical scale of the Milky Way, if it were reduced to 130 km (80 mi) in diameter, the Solar System would be a mere 2 mm (0.08 inches) in width.
The Galactic Halo extends outward, but is limited in size by the orbits of the two Milky Way satellites, the Large and the Small Magellanic Clouds, whose perigalacticon is at ~180,000 light-years.[12]”
so, in our galaxy, we have 200,000,000,000 to 400,000,000,000 stars. but, moving on from that, we got the observable universe. in the observable universe, there is about 80 billion galaxies. more importantly, there are about 3 to 7 × 10^22 stars. thats 30,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 to 70,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 stars. we’re dealing with some pretty big numbers here. and, this is all assuming that we can see the entire universe, which is pretty damn unlikely.
don’t you think its just a BIT arrogant to assume that none of these stars have anything on them? i mean, assuming evolution is true and everything is via chance, who’s to say that the process of evolution didn’t occur in some other planet orbiting around one of these 20-70 sextillion (yeah, that’s the actual number...lulz sex) stars, that none of them have any life? and, who’s to say all life has to be like our life? i mean, we only know one way for life to exist. what if there is some other, equally complicated way that life could be built, under a completely different set of circumstances? who’s to say that at no point in the history of the universe was there a race which got smart enough to “abandon ship” when their star eventually broke down? to me, its incredibly arrogant to suggest we are the only things out there.
I agree with you totally on the numbers thing, however, I would just like to point out that the way chemicals could come together to make life wouldn’t actually be by chance. For example, get a cup filled with oil and pour water over the top and the oil will float to the surface, it won’t randomly mix, as with other chemicals, so the figures could be affected by that.
Anyway, back to the numbers, the problem is that where I live people just don’t understand that. They just can’t sit down and have a logical debate. They just think it sounds stupid. It’s earned me a negative reputation and I’m just fucking sick of it.
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Last edited 26 Jun 2008 02:40 am by Sean of the Living
I would honestly call anyone who believes there is no life out there a moron. Sorry, usually I let people live with their opinions and ideas. But when you take into consideration how huge the universe is, how many 3457457456345983522439574357345734256345458735342852 planets there must be. I just can’t see how there isn’t other life out there.
Let’s not forget that Scientists have very strong evidence, or even proof that they’ve found bacteria in space. If the laws of evolution are true. Then this pretty much proves there is intelligent life out there.
Hey Sean, *brush* *brush*, let me get that chip off your shoulder for you
Seriously though, I understand where you’re coming from. I wanted to be an astronomer of some sort when I was little and I used to spend too much time thinking about such things. I remember telling people that I believed there was life on other planets but that it was probably plant life.
I don’t remember ever running into problems with that though, sorry for your troubles.
Anyway, ya, so I think there’s probably a form of life somewhere, but given the size of the universe and the very very very very very small percent of planets that might actually have life on them...it just seems very unlikely that we’ll confirm such exsistance. And I throw most of the “contact” with alien species out the window....still interesting to think about though....
treeplanter wrote:
Hey Sean, *brush* *brush*, let me get that chip off your shoulder for you
Seriously though, I understand where you’re coming from. I wanted to be an astronomer of some sort when I was little and I used to spend too much time thinking about such things. I remember telling people that I believed there was life on other planets but that it was probably plant life.
I don’t remember ever running into problems with that though, sorry for your troubles.
Anyway, ya, so I think there’s probably a form of life somewhere, but given the size of the universe and the very very very very very small percent of planets that might actually have life on them...it just seems very unlikely that we’ll confirm such exsistance. And I throw most of the “contact” with alien species out the window....still interesting to think about though....
Life like on this planet maybe, who says the conditions for life that is on earth is the only way we can have intelligent life?
Watchman wrote:
I’m still unconvinced...... .creatures capable of travel in those distances would want, of all the wondrousnesses in all the galaxies, to see us..at least me anyways.
The ability for life to travel to us is not the topic. The topic is just the existance of life outsife of earth. Watchman every post of yours I read is saturated with logical fallacies. At first, it was somewhat humorous but after a few reads it’s just sad.
ChibiDiscoDhaos wrote:
Life like on this planet maybe, who says the conditions for life that is on earth is the only way we can have intelligent life?
I dunno, I’m just remembering that from studies quite a few years ago. It’s a pretty big and complicated field, you’re right, who knows. My understanding is just that it takes a lot of “just right” conditions to possibly get life going. But meh, what do I know?
ChibiDiscoDhaos wrote:
Life like on this planet maybe, who says the conditions for life that is on earth is the only way we can have intelligent life?
I agree. It could be completely unfathomable the conditions extra planetary organisms developed under and the complex biological systems they may have to keep that going. I think too many people have the cliche Spielberg alien life form burned into their minds.
ChibiDiscoDhaos wrote:
Life like on this planet maybe, who says the conditions for life that is on earth is the only way we can have intelligent life?
I dunno, I’m just remembering that from studies quite a few years ago. It’s a pretty big and complicated field, you’re right, who knows. My understanding is just that it takes a lot of “just right” conditions to possibly get life going. But meh, what do I know?
Well maybe for life like on earth but I am just saying their could be other types of intelligances out there that don’t neccisarily even have to be humanoid.
ChibiDiscoDhaos wrote:
Well maybe for life like on earth but I am just saying their could be other types of intelligances out there that don’t neccisarily even have to be humanoid.
And I’m not talking about humanoid, humanoid life never even crossed my mind. I’m talking about the conditions that exsisted those billions of years ago that gave us that very microscopic lifeforms. How things go from there is all about those variying conditions.
The universe is made up of all the same stuff, all I’m saying is that at it’s most basic, you’re probably going to need....
meh, oh never mind. All I’m saying is that the reason why I think there is life on other planets is not because I think life is particularily easy to make, but I think that the sheer cosmic size and possibility of it all means that yes, in some cases life will happen. But in most cases it wont, and even when it does it will probably only last for a fairly short time (relatively speaking) during that planets life time.
bAyBeE_ChRoNiC wrote:
Like I do believe in extra-terrestrial existence to SOME extent but I also believe the media and the government embellished the science of it BIG TIME, and as we all know, words travel quickly, and anyone with fuck all to do can add a lil twist to something to make it sound good.
Once the public got scared, the government obviously had to keep the shyt on the down-low to prevent public mass hysteria.
And thats why everyone thinks that theres big green aliens with glass-like eyes, Area 51s holding a flying saucer that launched on to Earth, and Farmer John woke up to feed the cows only to find enormous crop circles in his corn field ... BLAME THE ALIENS lol.
Seriously though I think they’re not there to hurt us, and they’re definitley nothing like anyone describes them, they’re probably like microscopic critters crawling around underneath the ground on Mars or something ... after all, any life on another planet is a big deal and a big break-through.
typical “The government is evil” bull shit you like to say even though you live off there existance
There will be life out there, but intelegent life... hard to say about that, look how long it took earth to produce us, and we may have been a fluke.
--- Theory does not mean an unsubstantiated guess or hunch, as it can in everyday speech. A theory is a logically self-consistent model or framework for describing the behavior of a related set of natural or social phenomena.
I suggest reading “Rare Earth”. The authors basic position is that life is rare but it takes a *LOT* of luck for intelligent life to arise. I don’t recall all of the factors they mention, but some of them:
Without Jupiter we wouldn’t be here. Jupiter stops the vast majority of inbound comets. Without such a shield the Earth would have been wiped clean by now. As it stands we are way overdue for a sterilization-level event. (Although it’s still well within the range of expected variation.)
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