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27 Jun 2008 10:18 am
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Dam not faith and evolution can’t both be real yo?

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bugsbunny wrote:
ChibiDiscoDhaos wrote: Well, There isn’t much of a debate, There is evidence for evolution. We have many transitional fossils and such and DNA type evidence and the like. The only thing creation really has going for it is those with faith, which is not evidence of creation.


Fossils doesnt mean evidence for evolution?

If you had a room or shelf full of fossils, you couldnt tell me that the earth was billions of years old or we were created by apes.

What? No. Fossils ARE evidence evolution. I’ll find the video of all the transitional forms in just humans.

Created by apes?

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Gplex wrote:
Red_Calibur9 wrote:
Darth Nihilus wrote:
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petrofsky wrote: Evolution without a doubt. Religious people need to understand that creation and evolution CAN co-exist, but I doubt there was a form of creationism that happened.


They can co-exist. Though I do belive in creationism, I do belive that both of them had happened, but at separate times.


That is exactly what I am saying. A lot of religious people though get so offended by the idea evolution could be an answer, that they fail to realize that they can co exist.


Yeah, I’m not that kind of person thankfully. Ignorance is bliss to those such as them.

I agree.

Can you name me a religion that fits in with all the evidence that points towards evolution?

I’m just saying they can coexist, I didn’t say that they did, necessarily.

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ChibiDiscoDhaos wrote:
bugsbunny wrote:
ChibiDiscoDhaos wrote: Well, There isn’t much of a debate, There is evidence for evolution. We have many transitional fossils and such and DNA type evidence and the like. The only thing creation really has going for it is those with faith, which is not evidence of creation.


Fossils doesnt mean evidence for evolution?

If you had a room or shelf full of fossils, you couldnt tell me that the earth was billions of years old or we were created by apes.

What? No. Fossils ARE evidence evolution. I’ll find the video of all the transitional forms in just humans.

Created by apes?


fossils are not.......

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bugsbunny wrote:
ChibiDiscoDhaos wrote:
bugsbunny wrote:
ChibiDiscoDhaos wrote: Well, There isn’t much of a debate, There is evidence for evolution. We have many transitional fossils and such and DNA type evidence and the like. The only thing creation really has going for it is those with faith, which is not evidence of creation.


Fossils doesnt mean evidence for evolution?

If you had a room or shelf full of fossils, you couldnt tell me that the earth was billions of years old or we were created by apes.

What? No. Fossils ARE evidence evolution. I’ll find the video of all the transitional forms in just humans.

Created by apes?


fossils are not.......

I think he means showing evolution through the shaping of Human Skulls and Animal ones over thosands of years.

It doesnt prove evolution apparently though.

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30 Jun 2008 06:18 pm
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basically the , the men behind the curtain set up this whole “God” like figure that makes and does everything .
the reason for a man like this is controll .
if your stupid enough to believe in a giant invisible man in the clouds , than your stupid enough to be completely manipulated
for example : did you know that god can kill a man just by thinking about it ??
“really”
yeah now go and do all my work for me so i can just sit back and chill or gods gonna be pissed
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religion = spiritual slavery
money= physical slavery
education= mental slavery

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30 Jun 2008 06:21 pm
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i know that had nothing to do with the “Evilution” debate.
obviously i believe in evolution
and for all those british ppl out there start correcting your speech from evilution to EVOLUTION
baby steps right

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markymark wrote: i know that had nothing to do with the “Evilution” debate.
obviously i believe in evolution
and for all those british ppl out there start correcting your speech from evilution to EVOLUTION
baby steps right


so you believe “billions of years ago” a rock came out of nowhere and randomly blew up making everything today.........wow thats so true.

I believe there was a creator.


If you we walking down a forest and saw a painting. there were no footprints or anything of anyone near by, you would automatically assume there was a painter.

same thing here. there was a creator.

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bugsbunny wrote:
markymark wrote: i know that had nothing to do with the “Evilution” debate.
obviously i believe in evolution
and for all those british ppl out there start correcting your speech from evilution to EVOLUTION
baby steps right


so you believe “billions of years ago” a rock came out of nowhere and randomly blew up making everything today.........wow thats so true.

I believe there was a creator.


If you we walking down a forest and saw a painting. there were no footprints or anything of anyone near by, you would automatically assume there was a painter.

same thing here. there was a creator.

Talk about a bunch of weak arguments.

So a random omnipotent “God” created everything and we have no evidence for the existance of. Yeah thats SOOOOOO true.

The painting/painter argument is the stupidest thing ever. Seriously, we assume there is a painted because we have no naturalistic explanation of one being made other than a painter.

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ChibiDiscoDhaos wrote:
bugsbunny wrote:
markymark wrote: i know that had nothing to do with the “Evilution” debate.
obviously i believe in evolution
and for all those british ppl out there start correcting your speech from evilution to EVOLUTION
baby steps right


so you believe “billions of years ago” a rock came out of nowhere and randomly blew up making everything today.........wow thats so true.

I believe there was a creator.


If you we walking down a forest and saw a painting. there were no footprints or anything of anyone near by, you would automatically assume there was a painter.

same thing here. there was a creator.

Talk about a bunch of weak arguments.

So a random omnipotent “God” created everything and we have no evidence for the existance of. Yeah thats SOOOOOO true.

The painting/painter argument is the stupidest thing ever. Seriously, we assume there is a painted because we have no naturalistic explanation of one being made other than a painter.

You’re right, Chibi. Obviously the painting occurred naturally, presumably from a meteor hitting the Earth’s surface.

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01 Jul 2008 01:26 am
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Red_Calibur9 wrote:
ChibiDiscoDhaos wrote:
bugsbunny wrote:
markymark wrote: i know that had nothing to do with the “Evilution” debate.
obviously i believe in evolution
and for all those british ppl out there start correcting your speech from evilution to EVOLUTION
baby steps right


so you believe “billions of years ago” a rock came out of nowhere and randomly blew up making everything today.........wow thats so true.

I believe there was a creator.


If you we walking down a forest and saw a painting. there were no footprints or anything of anyone near by, you would automatically assume there was a painter.

same thing here. there was a creator.

Talk about a bunch of weak arguments.

So a random omnipotent “God” created everything and we have no evidence for the existance of. Yeah thats SOOOOOO true.

The painting/painter argument is the stupidest thing ever. Seriously, we assume there is a painted because we have no naturalistic explanation of one being made other than a painter.

You’re right, Chibi. Obviously the painting occurred naturally, presumably from a meteor hitting the Earth’s surface.

What I am saying is that of course we know there is a painter, we have not found any evidence to show it can be formed naturally without a painter. You know, like stalagmites or something. We don’t see paintings growing in caves.

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bugsbunny wrote:
markymark wrote: i know that had nothing to do with the “Evilution” debate.
obviously i believe in evolution
and for all those british ppl out there start correcting your speech from evilution to EVOLUTION
baby steps right


so you believe “billions of years ago” a rock came out of nowhere and randomly blew up making everything today.........wow thats so true.

I believe there was a creator.


If you we walking down a forest and saw a painting. there were no footprints or anything of anyone near by, you would automatically assume there was a painter.

same thing here. there was a creator.

I have heard that argument before. It has been disprooved somwhere on youtube. I can dig it up if ya want?

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ChibiDiscoDhaos wrote:
bugsbunny wrote:
markymark wrote: i know that had nothing to do with the “Evilution” debate.
obviously i believe in evolution
and for all those british ppl out there start correcting your speech from evilution to EVOLUTION
baby steps right


so you believe “billions of years ago” a rock came out of nowhere and randomly blew up making everything today.........wow thats so true.

I believe there was a creator.


If you we walking down a forest and saw a painting. there were no footprints or anything of anyone near by, you would automatically assume there was a painter.

same thing here. there was a creator.

Talk about a bunch of weak arguments.

So a random omnipotent “God” created everything and we have no evidence for the existance of. Yeah thats SOOOOOO true.

The painting/painter argument is the stupidest thing ever. Seriously, we assume there is a painted because we have no naturalistic explanation of one being made other than a painter.


no evidence? how about love? if you love anything there is evidence because God loves us so much, he sent his OWN son to die on the cross for our sins.

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Crimson_Blade wrote:
bugsbunny wrote:
markymark wrote: i know that had nothing to do with the “Evilution” debate.
obviously i believe in evolution
and for all those british ppl out there start correcting your speech from evilution to EVOLUTION
baby steps right


so you believe “billions of years ago” a rock came out of nowhere and randomly blew up making everything today.........wow thats so true.

I believe there was a creator.


If you we walking down a forest and saw a painting. there were no footprints or anything of anyone near by, you would automatically assume there was a painter.

same thing here. there was a creator.

I have heard that argument before. It has been disprooved somwhere on youtube. I can dig it up if ya want?


ok?

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bugsbunny wrote:
ChibiDiscoDhaos wrote:
bugsbunny wrote:
markymark wrote: i know that had nothing to do with the “Evilution” debate.
obviously i believe in evolution
and for all those british ppl out there start correcting your speech from evilution to EVOLUTION
baby steps right


so you believe “billions of years ago” a rock came out of nowhere and randomly blew up making everything today.........wow thats so true.

I believe there was a creator.


If you we walking down a forest and saw a painting. there were no footprints or anything of anyone near by, you would automatically assume there was a painter.

same thing here. there was a creator.

Talk about a bunch of weak arguments.

So a random omnipotent “God” created everything and we have no evidence for the existance of. Yeah thats SOOOOOO true.

The painting/painter argument is the stupidest thing ever. Seriously, we assume there is a painted because we have no naturalistic explanation of one being made other than a painter.


no evidence? how about love? if you love anything there is evidence because God loves us so much, he sent his OWN son to die on the cross for our sins.

Uh no. Love is not proof of anything god related.

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Actually its a very long argument... About 6 videos or more long. I will give you the link to the first one.



First vid

Rational Response Squad ftw.

I hate Kirk Cameron... D=<

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bugsbunny wrote:
markymark wrote: i know that had nothing to do with the “Evilution” debate.
obviously i believe in evolution
and for all those british ppl out there start correcting your speech from evilution to EVOLUTION
baby steps right


so you believe “billions of years ago” a rock came out of nowhere and randomly blew up making everything today.........wow thats so true.

I believe there was a creator.


If you we walking down a forest and saw a painting. there were no footprints or anything of anyone near by, you would automatically assume there was a painter.

same thing here. there was a creator.


Then tell me, what “painted” God?

And don’t tell me “He is eternal," because then that proves that you cannot use that statement, because, then obviously, not everything needs a creator.

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Why does a painting have to have a painter? What about the painted desert? Although beautiful, its no mystery how it could come about. What about caves and the delicate complex crystal designs that are made over hundreds of thousands of years? They are astounding sights, and yet, we know how they can be naturally made. We can fully replicate a painting, but we cannot fully replicate the caves and other scenic environments we find.

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ChibiDiscoDhaos wrote:
bugsbunny wrote:
ChibiDiscoDhaos wrote:
bugsbunny wrote:
markymark wrote: i know that had nothing to do with the “Evilution” debate.
obviously i believe in evolution
and for all those british ppl out there start correcting your speech from evilution to EVOLUTION
baby steps right


so you believe “billions of years ago” a rock came out of nowhere and randomly blew up making everything today.........wow thats so true.

I believe there was a creator.


If you we walking down a forest and saw a painting. there were no footprints or anything of anyone near by, you would automatically assume there was a painter.

same thing here. there was a creator.

Talk about a bunch of weak arguments.

So a random omnipotent “God” created everything and we have no evidence for the existance of. Yeah thats SOOOOOO true.

The painting/painter argument is the stupidest thing ever. Seriously, we assume there is a painted because we have no naturalistic explanation of one being made other than a painter.


no evidence? how about love? if you love anything there is evidence because God loves us so much, he sent his OWN son to die on the cross for our sins.

Uh no. Love is not proof of anything god related.


well it isnt anything evolution related either. I doubt a rock can give love.

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bugsbunny wrote: Both creation and evolution are religous. Not science.


Science is defined as something you can test, demonstrate and observe. you can’t test evolution, you cant demonstrate it.

the only thing evolution has going for it is tax support putting it in science text books etc.

That’s what most people think its science and its not.

Ah the words of the ignorant.
Evolutionary Biology can be tested with bacteria, and insects, observed through out the fossil records.
Evolutionary study has never needed taxpayer money.. why? because evolution actually produce useful information that can be use to make vaccines, help grow crops larger and much faster.
The taxpayer money that is use to buy educational books, has nothing to do with evolution or the funding it gets from investors.. It has all to do with educating the students.
Without evolution, nothing in biology would make sense.
If evolution is a religion, then so is every branch of science.

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