ChibiDiscoDhaos wrote:
No there is nothing wrong with it at all. It’s just if we can’t give an answer you assume God did it. Well no. Alot of creationists would say that.
..... and if science finds this question difficult,
how does it assume that everything after the event of the 1st cell is correct then....
are you saying that there are no other avenues to explore outside of science for answers?
They find evidence for it. It’s that simple.
What do you mean by exploring outside of science? What could we explore without logic or reason?
imagine you go to a site and there is no evidence of their being a building....the ground has been razed, and the there is no masonry...there are no records of their ever having being anything there let a alone a castle of epic proportions..its just dust and wind..well if someone says “i’m going to build exactly what was there before because I can work it out by the wind blowing, the heat of the ground, the amount of dust”....its a poor example, but indulge me ...what would your response be.....
If there was no evidence something and no kind of records I would just tell him he doesn’t know what he is doing and that he is crazy for attempting to do that.
I don’t understand what this has to do with anything though. What are you trying to prove exactly?
well im saying that evolution works in the same vein....we don’t what was there before, why it happened (if it did), when it happened, we have no records for our universe (except that which we calculate for ourselves) and now someone is looking at the “dust and wind”, and checking the “heat of the ground”...to say what happened to us and why we are here (the castle is been built again).....
Watchman wrote:
well im saying that evolution works in the same vein....we don’t what was there before, why it happened (if it did), when it happened, we have no records for our universe (except that which we calculate for ourselves) and now someone is looking at the “dust and wind”, and checking the “heat of the ground”...to say what happened to us and why we are here (the castle is been built again).....
We have evidence for evolution. Mountains of it. Not just fossil records. Not just DNA. We also have Darwin’s findings for proof too.
Watchman wrote:
so how come the majority of people dont accept the evidence then.... ....
Like 99% of scientists or biologists or whatever do except this evidence. As for why normal people don’t accept it. Ignorance. Simple ignorance.
I see....blind ignorance has now been identified as the great enemy on the majority’s refusal to accept the evidence of evoloution....i ve got another...hows about the the evidence really shows that this is a theory and explanations can *never* be proved 100%, as it is always possible that someone will come along tomorrow and find some new evidence which disproves the theory.....
Watchman wrote:
so how come the majority of people dont accept the evidence then.... ....
Like 99% of scientists or biologists or whatever do except this evidence. As for why normal people don’t accept it. Ignorance. Simple ignorance.
I see....blind ignorance has now been identified as the great enemy on the majority’s refusal to accept the evidence of evoloution....i ve got another...hows about the the evidence really shows that this is a theory and explanations can *never* be proved 100%, as it is always possible that someone will come along tomorrow and find some new evidence which disproves the theory.....
But it has so many evidences for it that is not likely at all and lets assume they disprove the theory. That only disproves are CURRENT theory of evolution. We just revise it. Why should we worry about what MIGHT happen instead of looking at the evidence. What if someone comes along tommorow and fully disproves Christianity?
There is more evidence and better quality evidence for the reliability of the NT and the Resurrection of Jesus than there is for any other book or event of the ancient world.
Watchman wrote:
There is more evidence and better quality evidence for the reliability of the NT and the Resurrection of Jesus than there is for any other book or event of the ancient world.
And this proves the ressurection how? Also I see a bunch of contridictions in the bible. Expecially in the gospels of his ressurection.
Watchman wrote:
There is more evidence and better quality evidence for the reliability of the NT and the Resurrection of Jesus than there is for any other book or event of the ancient world.
And this proves the ressurection how? Also I see a bunch of contridictions in the bible. Expecially in the gospels of his ressurection.
The gospel accounts are told from differing perspectives and with different goals. And yet each one of them invests an inordinate amount of time in the last week of Jesus life, especially concerning Jesus trials, death and resurrection. ...of all the world’s religions, Christianity is the only one in which its founder claimed to have risen from the dead. We have eyewitness testimony to his resurrected person in the Gospels, and the Early Fathers. Unless someone can disprove that, the evidence is in our favor.
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Watchman wrote:
There is more evidence and better quality evidence for the reliability of the NT and the Resurrection of Jesus than there is for any other book or event of the ancient world.
And this proves the ressurection how? Also I see a bunch of contridictions in the bible. Expecially in the gospels of his ressurection.
The gospel accounts are told from differing perspectives and with different goals. And yet each one of them invests an inordinate amount of time in the last week of Jesus life, especially concerning Jesus trials, death and resurrection. ...of all the world’s religions, Christianity is the only one in which its founder claimed to have risen from the dead. We have eyewitness testimony to his resurrected person in the Gospels, and the Early Fathers. Unless someone can disprove that, the evidence is in our favor.
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They still have different stories. Also the gospels were written after Jesus’s supposed death and ressurection. DECADES after. The evidence is NOT in your favor AT ALL. Considering they had different “Goals” as you say and the story is different for each one does not help you. Also Jesus was alive again right. He ascended in to the sky. But we all know heaven is not above the earth. Where did Jesus go? It certianly wasn’t heaven. Heaven apperently was above the earth.
You pontificate about the Bible as if you are an expert in theology, textual criticism, ancient languages & cultures and much more besides, when your knowledge of the Bible is just cut and paste from atheist discussion lists which cut and paste it from atheist websites which cut and paste it from embarrassingly unscholarly rantings....what a silly question! I thought you used to read the Bible....or was that you used to be a christian? or did you want me to answer that....?
Watchman wrote:
You pontificate about the Bible as if you are an expert in theology, textual criticism, ancient languages & cultures and much more besides, when your knowledge of the Bible is just cut and paste from atheist discussion lists which cut and paste it from atheist websites which cut and paste it from embarrassingly unscholarly rantings....what a silly question! I thought you used to read the Bible....or was that you used to be a christian? or did you want me to answer that....?
I used to be a Christian. I saw the gospel things on a atheist website. Pulled out my bible and read for myself and sure enough. Controdiction.
to be a christian....what does that mean?....lets take your dad for eg....when you were born, you were born with his life...even certain characteristics of his life might be manifested in yours....his life issued your being born...Its the same as the divine life and christians...If you became a christian you recieve another life, the life of God Himself....this means you are begotten with another life....still with me....the point is no matter what you do (good or bad) you are still your father’s son..as i am sure you have experienced..you dont stop being your dad’s son by anything you do, because you have his life...If at some stage you were a christian, and recieved this Life, you’re still a christian in the true definition of the word as explained...If say, you were a nominal christian, e.g because your parents were, or you were told to, took your granny there etc etc, and you went to church and did the sunday school thing and were even baptised etc etc...sorry but this not qualification to be christian. Outward activity, and religious actions are meaningless even though many of them have developed as traditions.......as for contradictions......hmmmmn
Watchman wrote:
to be a christian....what does that mean?....lets take your dad for eg....when you were born, you were born with his life...even certain characteristics of his life might be manifested in yours....his life issued your being born...Its the same as the divine life and christians...If you became a christian you recieve another life, the life of God Himself....this means you are begotten with another life....still with me....the point is no matter what you do (good or bad) you are still your father’s son..as i am sure you have experienced..you dont stop being your dad’s son by anything you do, because you have his life...If at some stage you were a christian, and recieved this Life, you’re still a christian in the true definition of the word as explained...If say, you were a nominal christian, e.g because your parents were, or you were told to, took your granny there etc etc, and you went to church and did the sunday school thing and were even baptised etc etc...sorry but this not qualification to be christian. Outward activity, and religious actions are meaningless even though many of them have developed as traditions.......as for contradictions......hmmmmn
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