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02 Aug 2008 03:51 pm
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Explain exactly what you mean by that. Thats a bit vauge.

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well at some point when you were younger, you might have made a deliberate decision and become a believer/christian...at the moment you did this, you were accepted and received the divine and uncreated Life....that made you unique.... now, nothing can separate you from this life, despite what you say or do...nothing..maybe you might have been unaware of what was going on, but it makes no difference.....the act of choice and free will is quite a delicate and touchy matter with God hence he never forces anyone to believe...But once you choose from your own will, its a done deal......

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02 Aug 2008 04:03 pm
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Watchman wrote: well at some point when you were younger, you might have made a deliberate decision and become a believer/christian...at the moment you did this, you were accepted and received the divine and uncreated Life....that made you unique.... now, nothing can separate you from this life, despite what you say or do...nothing..maybe you might have been unaware of what was going on, but it makes no difference.....the act of choice and free will is quite a delicate and touchy matter with God hence he never forces anyone to believe...But once you choose from your own will, its a done deal......


Uhh...as far as I can see, all that only really applies to someone who is a devout believer...if one is no longer such a believer, a lot of that is meaningless...so...

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Tyreaus wrote:
Watchman wrote: well at some point when you were younger, you might have made a deliberate decision and become a believer/christian...at the moment you did this, you were accepted and received the divine and uncreated Life....that made you unique.... now, nothing can separate you from this life, despite what you say or do...nothing..maybe you might have been unaware of what was going on, but it makes no difference.....the act of choice and free will is quite a delicate and touchy matter with God hence he never forces anyone to believe...But once you choose from your own will, its a done deal......


Uhh...as far as I can see, all that only really applies to someone who is a devout believer...if one is no longer such a believer, a lot of that is meaningless...so...



it matters to anyone who at some point made a decision with their will which resulted in their receiving.....whether one chooses to still be a gangster, thief, or atheist, it makes no difference and does not nullify the initial choice and the gift from this choice.... its like a principle, gravity, cause and effect etc...there are many such in the Bible...Of course, in saying this, I have to say this......this Life has its own consciousness and will and even though now in you, still He wont intrude and force you to do, wear,eat special things like false religions say, or stop you swearing......But if its there, nothing you can do can change that Fact....

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02 Aug 2008 04:31 pm
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Then I guess I’m covered.

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ChibiDiscoDhaos wrote:
Watchman wrote: so how come the majority of people dont accept the evidence then.... ....

Like 99% of scientists or biologists or whatever do except this evidence. As for why normal people don\'t accept it. Ignorance. Simple ignorance.

Every biologist believes in evolution.. but only 99% of all scientist do, this includes scientist who know nothing about evolution..

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Watchman wrote: well at some point when you were younger, you might have made a deliberate decision and become a believer/christian...at the moment you did this, you were accepted and received the divine and uncreated Life....that made you unique.... now, nothing can separate you from this life, despite what you say or do...nothing..maybe you might have been unaware of what was going on, but it makes no difference.....the act of choice and free will is quite a delicate and touchy matter with God hence he never forces anyone to believe...But once you choose from your own will, its a done deal......

You need to add a \“warning warning I making shit up\" before you do stuff like this...

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04 Aug 2008 12:54 pm
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Gplex wrote:
ChibiDiscoDhaos wrote:
Watchman wrote: so how come the majority of people dont accept the evidence then.... ....

Like 99% of scientists or biologists or whatever do except this evidence. As for why normal people don\'t accept it. Ignorance. Simple ignorance.

Every biologist believes in evolution.. but only 99% of all scientist do, this includes scientist who know nothing about evolution..

Well I was listning to a debate and I couldn’t remember if the guy said 99% of all scientists or biologists believed it.

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ChibiDiscoDhaos wrote:
Gplex wrote:
ChibiDiscoDhaos wrote:
Watchman wrote: so how come the majority of people dont accept the evidence then.... ....

Like 99% of scientists or biologists or whatever do except this evidence. As for why normal people don\\\'t accept it. Ignorance. Simple ignorance.

Every biologist believes in evolution.. but only 99% of all scientist do, this includes scientist who know nothing about evolution..

Well I was listning to a debate and I couldn\'t remember if the guy said 99% of all scientists or biologists believed it.

Nothing in biology make sense without evolution, so there couldnt be someone whos a biologist and doesnt believe in evolution..

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06 Aug 2008 07:34 am
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I have been doing a lot of research lately on evolution vs. creation. I can find NO evidence of transitional fossils. As matter of fact many of the fossils that have been reported as “prove of evolution” have been hoaxes. Since the discovery of DNA, it seems even more apparent that evolution, the forming of any species of one kind from a species of another kind, is mathimatically and scientifically impossible.
For a new species to come into existance by chance, there would have to be what is called a new feature producing agent. Evolution by Natural Sellection does not produce new features. It only eliminates old ones.

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06 Aug 2008 09:31 am
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Dooley the Clown wrote: I have been doing a lot of research lately on evolution vs. creation. I can find NO evidence of transitional fossils. As matter of fact many of the fossils that have been reported as “prove of evolution” have been hoaxes. Since the discovery of DNA, it seems even more apparent that evolution, the forming of any species of one kind from a species of another kind, is mathimatically and scientifically impossible.
For a new species to come into existance by chance, there would have to be what is called a new feature producing agent. Evolution by Natural Sellection does not produce new features. It only eliminates old ones.



Its called mutations :P

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lol.yup!!!!!!!!

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Gplex wrote:
Watchman wrote: well at some point when you were younger, you might have made a deliberate decision and become a believer/christian...at the moment you did this, you were accepted and received the divine and uncreated Life....that made you unique.... now, nothing can separate you from this life, despite what you say or do...nothing..maybe you might have been unaware of what was going on, but it makes no difference.....the act of choice and free will is quite a delicate and touchy matter with God hence he never forces anyone to believe...But once you choose from your own will, its a done deal......

You need to add a \“warning warning I making shit up\" before you do stuff like this...



you are going to prove me wrong aren’t you?...

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06 Aug 2008 04:11 pm
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Watchman wrote:
Gplex wrote:
Watchman wrote: well at some point when you were younger, you might have made a deliberate decision and become a believer/christian...at the moment you did this, you were accepted and received the divine and uncreated Life....that made you unique.... now, nothing can separate you from this life, despite what you say or do...nothing..maybe you might have been unaware of what was going on, but it makes no difference.....the act of choice and free will is quite a delicate and touchy matter with God hence he never forces anyone to believe...But once you choose from your own will, its a done deal......

You need to add a \“warning warning I making shit up\" before you do stuff like this...



you are going to prove me wrong aren’t you?...

You don’t even have EVIDENCE to support your claim. Oh. And we don’t have free will.

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lets see....the evidence being in the Bible, which when read, presents these truths, you dispute because?......

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Watchman wrote: lets see....the evidence being in the Bible, which when read, presents these truths, you dispute because?......

The bible is HARDLY credible evidence.

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how come?

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06 Aug 2008 08:36 pm
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For 1. It has no credible evidence to support half the stories. 2. HUNDREDS of condridictions in it.

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Watchman wrote:
Gplex wrote:
Watchman wrote: well at some point when you were younger, you might have made a deliberate decision and become a believer/christian...at the moment you did this, you were accepted and received the divine and uncreated Life....that made you unique.... now, nothing can separate you from this life, despite what you say or do...nothing..maybe you might have been unaware of what was going on, but it makes no difference.....the act of choice and free will is quite a delicate and touchy matter with God hence he never forces anyone to believe...But once you choose from your own will, its a done deal......

You need to add a \“warning warning I making shit up\" before you do stuff like this...



you are going to prove me wrong aren’t you?...

You want me to prove you wrong when you havent even layed a case for your argument.. thats like me calling you a rapist and asking you to bring every women you ever met forward to tell me that you are not (or are you?)

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Dooley the Clown wrote: I have been doing a lot of research lately on evolution vs. creation. I can find NO evidence of transitional fossils. As matter of fact many of the fossils that have been reported as “prove of evolution” have been hoaxes. Since the discovery of DNA, it seems even more apparent that evolution, the forming of any species of one kind from a species of another kind, is mathimatically and scientifically impossible.
For a new species to come into existance by chance, there would have to be what is called a new feature producing agent. Evolution by Natural Sellection does not produce new features. It only eliminates old ones.

Google search “transitional fossils” and “DNA mutations”.
Dont waste your time on a creationist website.

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