ChibiDiscoDhaos wrote:
For 1. It has no credible evidence to support half the stories. 2. HUNDREDS of condridictions in it.
Now your claiming Jesus and the apostles and/or disciples didn’t exist at all.../? They were made up figures? that logic is flawed........for eg......you have heard of Julius Caesar and I am sure you believe that he existed right? Well there were 10 manuscripts of antiquity that explained who he was as we know him today........ 10 that is it, in one language, everything we know today about him came from just those 10 manuscripts, with the earliest one dating to 1,000 years after the original autograph.....You believe that Caesar existed and a real person but not Jesus nor the resurection, hmmm. But again your presuppositions will determine if you will accept documented historical proof or not.
...some ........
...tell me, if the Earth is here by accident or some anomaly, or whatever you like to claim, why is everything on Earth to human scale? Why is there just enough gravity on earth to keep us from being squashed like bugs? Is this really just “coincidence”?......
...... Why is it that water freezes differently from other fluids (it gets less dense), and that it is critical for our very survival?......... Why don’t trees just become pulp, a sappy mess when we cut them down? Why do they remain intact as something we can use for fire, shelter, build houses, make paper, etc?......... Is it just “coincidence” that atoms stay together (the same charges)....... How is it that the ancient Bible is consistent with astronomy? The Bible frequently refers to the great number of stars in the heavens....... How is it that the ancient Bible describes the circulation of the atmosphere?
...... How is it that the ancient Bible includes some principles of fluid dynamics?
...... How is it that the ancient Bible includes reasonably complete descriptions of the hydrologic cycle?.........
If you don’t believe that all the above Bible prophecies have come true, well PROVE they didn’t! Not with “opinions” or by insisting, “No, they didn’t happen”, but by absolute scientific PROOF! Show proof positive that Yeshua/Jesus was never born and that He never was who He said He was......
Now your claiming Jesus and the apostles and/or disciples didn’t exist at all.../? They were made up figures? that logic is flawed
No I was actually talking about Adam and Eve,Noah’s ark, Moses,etc.
........for eg......you have heard of Julius Caesar and I am sure you believe that he existed right? Well there were 10 manuscripts of antiquity that explained who he was as we know him today........ 10 that is it, in one language, everything we know today about him came from just those 10 manuscripts, with the earliest one dating to 1,000 years after the original autograph
These were secularlist writings you know...Not those of a potential religious guy who makes shit up.
.....You believe that Caesar existed and a real person but not Jesus nor the resurection, hmmm. But again your presuppositions will determine if you will accept documented historical proof or not.
Maybe if we had secular writings about Jesus I could believe it. Seriously, are you going to believe every thing you read in a book containing stories like that?
...tell me, if the Earth is here by accident or some anomaly, or whatever you like to claim, why is everything on Earth to human scale? Why is there just enough gravity on earth to keep us from being squashed like bugs? Is this really just “coincidence”?......
More irrelivant questions? Okay, Why didn’t God stop Eve from sinning? Why doesn’t god heal Ampuutees but somehow helps normal folk get raises and shit, Why is god such a dick in the old testiment? Seriously why can’t it just have happened that way? Does EVERYTHING have to be non coincidential to you, that it had to have happened because of a plan?
...... Why is it that water freezes differently from other fluids (it gets less dense), and that it is critical for our very survival?......... Why don’t trees just become pulp, a sappy mess when we cut them down? Why do they remain intact as something we can use for fire, shelter, build houses, make paper, etc?......... Is it just “coincidence” that atoms stay together (the same charges)....... How is it that the ancient Bible is consistent with astronomy?
Half this is irrelivant. Why isn’t god helping people instead of letting people suffer? Why didn’t he make us Gerbils instead of people? Anyway you do know we had astronomy back then right?
The Bible frequently refers to the great number of stars in the heavens....... How is it that the ancient Bible describes the circulation of the atmosphere?
So it has some astronomy in it. Why does the bible say the earth is flat?
...... How is it that the ancient Bible includes some principles of fluid dynamics?
...... How is it that the ancient Bible includes reasonably complete descriptions of the hydrologic cycle?.........
Places in the bible where it does? Anyway I’m pretty sure that was already discovered at the time anyway so it’s not that big of a deal.
If you don’t believe that all the above Bible prophecies have come true, well PROVE they didn’t! Not with “opinions” or by insisting, “No, they didn’t happen”, but by absolute scientific PROOF! Show proof positive that Yeshua/Jesus was never born and that He never was who He said He was......
You actually have to prove they are and he did. Considering the prophecy is so vauge and all have fun. You have to show absolute scientific proof it all did happen. The burden...is on your shoulders. Have fun
Watchman wrote:
well at some point when you were younger, you might have made a deliberate decision and become a believer/christian...at the moment you did this, you were accepted and received the divine and uncreated Life....that made you unique.... now, nothing can separate you from this life, despite what you say or do...nothing..maybe you might have been unaware of what was going on, but it makes no difference.....the act of choice and free will is quite a delicate and touchy matter with God hence he never forces anyone to believe...But once you choose from your own will, its a done deal......
You need to add a \“warning warning I making shit up\" before you do stuff like this...
you are going to prove me wrong aren’t you?...
You want me to prove you wrong when you havent even layed a case for your argument.. thats like me calling you a rapist and asking you to bring every women you ever met forward to tell me that you are not (or are you?)
you are peculiar in your allegories ....but let me say this ...... the gospel accounts do not bear the marks of myth. Pagan myths, legends, fairy tales and the like typically refer to characters who supposedly lived long ago, and often far away, whose supernatural deeds and experiences were not witnessed by anyone still at hand who could verify them...... The Gospels refer to events which had transpired only a few decades at most before they were written, in a country easily accessed, and involved large numbers of people who could still be found and interviewed, and would testify whether or not these things were true. As Paul said, “These things were not done in a corner . . ."
as for your laying a case......, I was speaking of the authenticity of the Bible and the truths within it inc prophecies......... I mean prove that Israel didn’t become a nation again exactly as the Bible prophecied several thousand years ago. (History lesson: Israel became a nation again in 1948 when the world briefly felt sorry for the Jews after the Holocaust, and it happened in ONE DAY, exactly as the Bible prophecied.)............ prove it didn’t happen! Show how tiny little Israel was able to win the 1967 seven-day war against several much bigger and richer countries with much bigger armies. How could that have happened? PROVE that the conflict between Israel and the Arabic Muslim countries IS NOT the result of the conflict/jealousy between the Biblical half-brothers, Isaac and Ishmael! If MAN is so smart, how come he hasn’t been able to cause peace in the Middle East?
Now your claiming Jesus and the apostles and/or disciples didn’t exist at all.../? They were made up figures? that logic is flawed
No I was actually talking about Adam and Eve,Noah’s ark, Moses,etc.
........for eg......you have heard of Julius Caesar and I am sure you believe that he existed right? Well there were 10 manuscripts of antiquity that explained who he was as we know him today........ 10 that is it, in one language, everything we know today about him came from just those 10 manuscripts, with the earliest one dating to 1,000 years after the original autograph
These were secularlist writings you know...Not those of a potential religious guy who makes shit up.
.....You believe that Caesar existed and a real person but not Jesus nor the resurection, hmmm. But again your presuppositions will determine if you will accept documented historical proof or not.
Maybe if we had secular writings about Jesus I could believe it. Seriously, are you going to believe every thing you read in a book containing stories like that?
...tell me, if the Earth is here by accident or some anomaly, or whatever you like to claim, why is everything on Earth to human scale? Why is there just enough gravity on earth to keep us from being squashed like bugs? Is this really just “coincidence”?......
More irrelivant questions? Okay, Why didn’t God stop Eve from sinning? Why doesn’t god heal Ampuutees but somehow helps normal folk get raises and shit, Why is god such a dick in the old testiment? Seriously why can’t it just have happened that way? Does EVERYTHING have to be non coincidential to you, that it had to have happened because of a plan?
...... Why is it that water freezes differently from other fluids (it gets less dense), and that it is critical for our very survival?......... Why don’t trees just become pulp, a sappy mess when we cut them down? Why do they remain intact as something we can use for fire, shelter, build houses, make paper, etc?......... Is it just “coincidence” that atoms stay together (the same charges)....... How is it that the ancient Bible is consistent with astronomy?
Half this is irrelivant. Why isn’t god helping people instead of letting people suffer? Why didn’t he make us Gerbils instead of people? Anyway you do know we had astronomy back then right?
The Bible frequently refers to the great number of stars in the heavens....... How is it that the ancient Bible describes the circulation of the atmosphere?
So it has some astronomy in it. Why does the bible say the earth is flat?
...... How is it that the ancient Bible includes some principles of fluid dynamics?
...... How is it that the ancient Bible includes reasonably complete descriptions of the hydrologic cycle?.........
Places in the bible where it does? Anyway I’m pretty sure that was already discovered at the time anyway so it’s not that big of a deal.
If you don’t believe that all the above Bible prophecies have come true, well PROVE they didn’t! Not with “opinions” or by insisting, “No, they didn’t happen”, but by absolute scientific PROOF! Show proof positive that Yeshua/Jesus was never born and that He never was who He said He was......
You actually have to prove they are and he did. Considering the prophecy is so vauge and all have fun. You have to show absolute scientific proof it all did happen. The burden...is on your shoulders. Have fun
so tell me, what is your criterion to accepting ancient scrolls?
since when was the burden on me to provide proof for the existence of God....It is you who deny Him, and deny the Bible authencity...if you will not be corrected by something Divine, what makes you think that you will listen to me....No,no, no the burden is firmly not on me to provide proof of omniscience, omnipotence, coiherence, eternity, Light, Glory or other aspects......if creation itself doesn’t/cant suggest that there is a God to you, then no mere creature will make a dent in your big mind .....I have accepted it....remember.
Watchman wrote:
well at some point when you were younger, you might have made a deliberate decision and become a believer/christian...at the moment you did this, you were accepted and received the divine and uncreated Life....that made you unique.... now, nothing can separate you from this life, despite what you say or do...nothing..maybe you might have been unaware of what was going on, but it makes no difference.....the act of choice and free will is quite a delicate and touchy matter with God hence he never forces anyone to believe...But once you choose from your own will, its a done deal......
You need to add a \“warning warning I making shit up\" before you do stuff like this...
you are going to prove me wrong aren’t you?...
You want me to prove you wrong when you havent even layed a case for your argument.. thats like me calling you a rapist and asking you to bring every women you ever met forward to tell me that you are not (or are you?)
you are peculiar in your allegories ....but let me say this ...... the gospel accounts do not bear the marks of myth. Pagan myths, legends, fairy tales and the like typically refer to characters who supposedly lived long ago, and often far away, whose supernatural deeds and experiences were not witnessed by anyone still at hand who could verify them...... The Gospels refer to events which had transpired only a few decades at most before they were written, in a country easily accessed, and involved large numbers of people who could still be found and interviewed, and would testify whether or not these things were true. As Paul said, “These things were not done in a corner . . ."
as for your laying a case......, I was speaking of the authenticity of the Bible and the truths within it inc prophecies......... I mean prove that Israel didn’t become a nation again exactly as the Bible prophecied several thousand years ago. (History lesson: Israel became a nation again in 1948 when the world briefly felt sorry for the Jews after the Holocaust, and it happened in ONE DAY, exactly as the Bible prophecied.)............ prove it didn’t happen! Show how tiny little Israel was able to win the 1967 seven-day war against several much bigger and richer countries with much bigger armies. How could that have happened? PROVE that the conflict between Israel and the Arabic Muslim countries IS NOT the result of the conflict/jealousy between the Biblical half-brothers, Isaac and Ishmael! If MAN is so smart, how come he hasn’t been able to cause peace in the Middle East?
If I remember correctly, Paris of Troy was right there to account for the beauty contest between the Goddesses, in fact, he was the judge! He was then given Helen (the most beautiful mortal girl in the world at the time for picking Aphrodite as the winner. It just so happened that Helen was already a bride in Sparta... and so it started the Trojan War...
This definitely happened in real life because it is documented several times, and there were plenty of witnesses. The story also miraculously survived through the ages to be told again and again... It must be the “will” of Zeus and friends.
Now your claiming Jesus and the apostles and/or disciples didn’t exist at all.../? They were made up figures? that logic is flawed
No I was actually talking about Adam and Eve,Noah’s ark, Moses,etc.
........for eg......you have heard of Julius Caesar and I am sure you believe that he existed right? Well there were 10 manuscripts of antiquity that explained who he was as we know him today........ 10 that is it, in one language, everything we know today about him came from just those 10 manuscripts, with the earliest one dating to 1,000 years after the original autograph
These were secularlist writings you know...Not those of a potential religious guy who makes shit up.
.....You believe that Caesar existed and a real person but not Jesus nor the resurection, hmmm. But again your presuppositions will determine if you will accept documented historical proof or not.
Maybe if we had secular writings about Jesus I could believe it. Seriously, are you going to believe every thing you read in a book containing stories like that?
...tell me, if the Earth is here by accident or some anomaly, or whatever you like to claim, why is everything on Earth to human scale? Why is there just enough gravity on earth to keep us from being squashed like bugs? Is this really just “coincidence”?......
More irrelivant questions? Okay, Why didn’t God stop Eve from sinning? Why doesn’t god heal Ampuutees but somehow helps normal folk get raises and shit, Why is god such a dick in the old testiment? Seriously why can’t it just have happened that way? Does EVERYTHING have to be non coincidential to you, that it had to have happened because of a plan?
...... Why is it that water freezes differently from other fluids (it gets less dense), and that it is critical for our very survival?......... Why don’t trees just become pulp, a sappy mess when we cut them down? Why do they remain intact as something we can use for fire, shelter, build houses, make paper, etc?......... Is it just “coincidence” that atoms stay together (the same charges)....... How is it that the ancient Bible is consistent with astronomy?
Half this is irrelivant. Why isn’t god helping people instead of letting people suffer? Why didn’t he make us Gerbils instead of people? Anyway you do know we had astronomy back then right?
The Bible frequently refers to the great number of stars in the heavens....... How is it that the ancient Bible describes the circulation of the atmosphere?
So it has some astronomy in it. Why does the bible say the earth is flat?
...... How is it that the ancient Bible includes some principles of fluid dynamics?
...... How is it that the ancient Bible includes reasonably complete descriptions of the hydrologic cycle?.........
Places in the bible where it does? Anyway I’m pretty sure that was already discovered at the time anyway so it’s not that big of a deal.
If you don’t believe that all the above Bible prophecies have come true, well PROVE they didn’t! Not with “opinions” or by insisting, “No, they didn’t happen”, but by absolute scientific PROOF! Show proof positive that Yeshua/Jesus was never born and that He never was who He said He was......
You actually have to prove they are and he did. Considering the prophecy is so vauge and all have fun. You have to show absolute scientific proof it all did happen. The burden...is on your shoulders. Have fun
so tell me, what is your criterion to accepting ancient scrolls?
since when was the burden on me to provide proof for the existence of God....It is you who deny Him, and deny the Bible authencity...if you will not be corrected by something Divine, what makes you think that you will listen to me....No,no, no the burden is firmly not on me to provide proof of omniscience, omnipotence, coiherence, eternity, Light, Glory or other aspects......if creation itself doesn’t/cant suggest that there is a God to you, then no mere creature will make a dent in your big mind .....I have accepted it....remember.
Psalm 114.
You make it sounds as if it’s a bad thing. .....I have accepted it....
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1outofDAinfinite wrote:
Everyday I think people can’t get any more stupid everyday I’m proven wrong.
Now your claiming Jesus and the apostles and/or disciples didn’t exist at all.../? They were made up figures? that logic is flawed
No I was actually talking about Adam and Eve,Noah’s ark, Moses,etc.
........for eg......you have heard of Julius Caesar and I am sure you believe that he existed right? Well there were 10 manuscripts of antiquity that explained who he was as we know him today........ 10 that is it, in one language, everything we know today about him came from just those 10 manuscripts, with the earliest one dating to 1,000 years after the original autograph
These were secularlist writings you know...Not those of a potential religious guy who makes shit up.
.....You believe that Caesar existed and a real person but not Jesus nor the resurection, hmmm. But again your presuppositions will determine if you will accept documented historical proof or not.
Maybe if we had secular writings about Jesus I could believe it. Seriously, are you going to believe every thing you read in a book containing stories like that?
...tell me, if the Earth is here by accident or some anomaly, or whatever you like to claim, why is everything on Earth to human scale? Why is there just enough gravity on earth to keep us from being squashed like bugs? Is this really just “coincidence”?......
More irrelivant questions? Okay, Why didn’t God stop Eve from sinning? Why doesn’t god heal Ampuutees but somehow helps normal folk get raises and shit, Why is god such a dick in the old testiment? Seriously why can’t it just have happened that way? Does EVERYTHING have to be non coincidential to you, that it had to have happened because of a plan?
...... Why is it that water freezes differently from other fluids (it gets less dense), and that it is critical for our very survival?......... Why don’t trees just become pulp, a sappy mess when we cut them down? Why do they remain intact as something we can use for fire, shelter, build houses, make paper, etc?......... Is it just “coincidence” that atoms stay together (the same charges)....... How is it that the ancient Bible is consistent with astronomy?
Half this is irrelivant. Why isn’t god helping people instead of letting people suffer? Why didn’t he make us Gerbils instead of people? Anyway you do know we had astronomy back then right?
The Bible frequently refers to the great number of stars in the heavens....... How is it that the ancient Bible describes the circulation of the atmosphere?
So it has some astronomy in it. Why does the bible say the earth is flat?
...... How is it that the ancient Bible includes some principles of fluid dynamics?
...... How is it that the ancient Bible includes reasonably complete descriptions of the hydrologic cycle?.........
Places in the bible where it does? Anyway I’m pretty sure that was already discovered at the time anyway so it’s not that big of a deal.
If you don’t believe that all the above Bible prophecies have come true, well PROVE they didn’t! Not with “opinions” or by insisting, “No, they didn’t happen”, but by absolute scientific PROOF! Show proof positive that Yeshua/Jesus was never born and that He never was who He said He was......
You actually have to prove they are and he did. Considering the prophecy is so vauge and all have fun. You have to show absolute scientific proof it all did happen. The burden...is on your shoulders. Have fun
so tell me, what is your criterion to accepting ancient scrolls?
since when was the burden on me to provide proof for the existence of God....It is you who deny Him, and deny the Bible authencity...if you will not be corrected by something Divine, what makes you think that you will listen to me....No,no, no the burden is firmly not on me to provide proof of omniscience, omnipotence, coiherence, eternity, Light, Glory or other aspects......if creation itself doesn’t/cant suggest that there is a God to you, then no mere creature will make a dent in your big mind .....I have accepted it....remember.
yea, We have provided evidence of evolution... not proof mind you, but evidence. However, no one has provided ANY evidence for God... sorry, but you must provide at least something before it can be considered as an option.
I am awaiting your evidence...
I know there’s no evidence of God at the moment, but I believe in him anyway. Although I have one question. How would it make you feel if there was absolute proof that God is real?
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1outofDAinfinite wrote:
Everyday I think people can’t get any more stupid everyday I’m proven wrong.
Now your claiming Jesus and the apostles and/or disciples didn’t exist at all.../? They were made up figures? that logic is flawed
No I was actually talking about Adam and Eve,Noah’s ark, Moses,etc.
........for eg......you have heard of Julius Caesar and I am sure you believe that he existed right? Well there were 10 manuscripts of antiquity that explained who he was as we know him today........ 10 that is it, in one language, everything we know today about him came from just those 10 manuscripts, with the earliest one dating to 1,000 years after the original autograph
These were secularlist writings you know...Not those of a potential religious guy who makes shit up.
.....You believe that Caesar existed and a real person but not Jesus nor the resurection, hmmm. But again your presuppositions will determine if you will accept documented historical proof or not.
Maybe if we had secular writings about Jesus I could believe it. Seriously, are you going to believe every thing you read in a book containing stories like that?
...tell me, if the Earth is here by accident or some anomaly, or whatever you like to claim, why is everything on Earth to human scale? Why is there just enough gravity on earth to keep us from being squashed like bugs? Is this really just “coincidence”?......
More irrelivant questions? Okay, Why didn’t God stop Eve from sinning? Why doesn’t god heal Ampuutees but somehow helps normal folk get raises and shit, Why is god such a dick in the old testiment? Seriously why can’t it just have happened that way? Does EVERYTHING have to be non coincidential to you, that it had to have happened because of a plan?
...... Why is it that water freezes differently from other fluids (it gets less dense), and that it is critical for our very survival?......... Why don’t trees just become pulp, a sappy mess when we cut them down? Why do they remain intact as something we can use for fire, shelter, build houses, make paper, etc?......... Is it just “coincidence” that atoms stay together (the same charges)....... How is it that the ancient Bible is consistent with astronomy?
Half this is irrelivant. Why isn’t god helping people instead of letting people suffer? Why didn’t he make us Gerbils instead of people? Anyway you do know we had astronomy back then right?
The Bible frequently refers to the great number of stars in the heavens....... How is it that the ancient Bible describes the circulation of the atmosphere?
So it has some astronomy in it. Why does the bible say the earth is flat?
...... How is it that the ancient Bible includes some principles of fluid dynamics?
...... How is it that the ancient Bible includes reasonably complete descriptions of the hydrologic cycle?.........
Places in the bible where it does? Anyway I’m pretty sure that was already discovered at the time anyway so it’s not that big of a deal.
If you don’t believe that all the above Bible prophecies have come true, well PROVE they didn’t! Not with “opinions” or by insisting, “No, they didn’t happen”, but by absolute scientific PROOF! Show proof positive that Yeshua/Jesus was never born and that He never was who He said He was......
You actually have to prove they are and he did. Considering the prophecy is so vauge and all have fun. You have to show absolute scientific proof it all did happen. The burden...is on your shoulders. Have fun
so tell me, what is your criterion to accepting ancient scrolls?
since when was the burden on me to provide proof for the existence of God....It is you who deny Him, and deny the Bible authencity...if you will not be corrected by something Divine, what makes you think that you will listen to me....No,no, no the burden is firmly not on me to provide proof of omniscience, omnipotence, coiherence, eternity, Light, Glory or other aspects......if creation itself doesn’t/cant suggest that there is a God to you, then no mere creature will make a dent in your big mind .....I have accepted it....remember.
Psalm 114.
You make it sounds as if it’s a bad thing. .....I have accepted it....
yeah, your right....but it wasn’t intended....for me, Biblical truth wasn’t verified through historical accuracy, inerrancy or reliability of the Gospels, because my initial assumptions didn’t include these things. I saw divine inspiration in the actual content of the words attributed to Jesus Christ. The fact that I, or anyone, was capable of understanding spiritual matters became my evidence for the soul.
The Dahaka wrote:
I know there’s no evidence of God at the moment, but I believe in him anyway. Although I have one question. How would it make you feel if there was absolute proof that God is real?
Well then I would obviously believe in god then... But then we would just be debating on which religion is the correct one :P
Now your claiming Jesus and the apostles and/or disciples didn’t exist at all.../? They were made up figures? that logic is flawed
No I was actually talking about Adam and Eve,Noah’s ark, Moses,etc.
........for eg......you have heard of Julius Caesar and I am sure you believe that he existed right? Well there were 10 manuscripts of antiquity that explained who he was as we know him today........ 10 that is it, in one language, everything we know today about him came from just those 10 manuscripts, with the earliest one dating to 1,000 years after the original autograph
These were secularlist writings you know...Not those of a potential religious guy who makes shit up.
.....You believe that Caesar existed and a real person but not Jesus nor the resurection, hmmm. But again your presuppositions will determine if you will accept documented historical proof or not.
Maybe if we had secular writings about Jesus I could believe it. Seriously, are you going to believe every thing you read in a book containing stories like that?
...tell me, if the Earth is here by accident or some anomaly, or whatever you like to claim, why is everything on Earth to human scale? Why is there just enough gravity on earth to keep us from being squashed like bugs? Is this really just “coincidence”?......
More irrelivant questions? Okay, Why didn’t God stop Eve from sinning? Why doesn’t god heal Ampuutees but somehow helps normal folk get raises and shit, Why is god such a dick in the old testiment? Seriously why can’t it just have happened that way? Does EVERYTHING have to be non coincidential to you, that it had to have happened because of a plan?
...... Why is it that water freezes differently from other fluids (it gets less dense), and that it is critical for our very survival?......... Why don’t trees just become pulp, a sappy mess when we cut them down? Why do they remain intact as something we can use for fire, shelter, build houses, make paper, etc?......... Is it just “coincidence” that atoms stay together (the same charges)....... How is it that the ancient Bible is consistent with astronomy?
Half this is irrelivant. Why isn’t god helping people instead of letting people suffer? Why didn’t he make us Gerbils instead of people? Anyway you do know we had astronomy back then right?
The Bible frequently refers to the great number of stars in the heavens....... How is it that the ancient Bible describes the circulation of the atmosphere?
So it has some astronomy in it. Why does the bible say the earth is flat?
...... How is it that the ancient Bible includes some principles of fluid dynamics?
...... How is it that the ancient Bible includes reasonably complete descriptions of the hydrologic cycle?.........
Places in the bible where it does? Anyway I’m pretty sure that was already discovered at the time anyway so it’s not that big of a deal.
If you don’t believe that all the above Bible prophecies have come true, well PROVE they didn’t! Not with “opinions” or by insisting, “No, they didn’t happen”, but by absolute scientific PROOF! Show proof positive that Yeshua/Jesus was never born and that He never was who He said He was......
You actually have to prove they are and he did. Considering the prophecy is so vauge and all have fun. You have to show absolute scientific proof it all did happen. The burden...is on your shoulders. Have fun
As for the answer to some of tem, life wouldnt be a very good test if everything was perfect, would it?
CBA putin nythin else ATM, this seems to be Watchmans arguement.
Now your claiming Jesus and the apostles and/or disciples didn’t exist at all.../? They were made up figures? that logic is flawed
No I was actually talking about Adam and Eve,Noah’s ark, Moses,etc.
........for eg......you have heard of Julius Caesar and I am sure you believe that he existed right? Well there were 10 manuscripts of antiquity that explained who he was as we know him today........ 10 that is it, in one language, everything we know today about him came from just those 10 manuscripts, with the earliest one dating to 1,000 years after the original autograph
These were secularlist writings you know...Not those of a potential religious guy who makes shit up.
.....You believe that Caesar existed and a real person but not Jesus nor the resurection, hmmm. But again your presuppositions will determine if you will accept documented historical proof or not.
Maybe if we had secular writings about Jesus I could believe it. Seriously, are you going to believe every thing you read in a book containing stories like that?
...tell me, if the Earth is here by accident or some anomaly, or whatever you like to claim, why is everything on Earth to human scale? Why is there just enough gravity on earth to keep us from being squashed like bugs? Is this really just “coincidence”?......
More irrelivant questions? Okay, Why didn’t God stop Eve from sinning? Why doesn’t god heal Ampuutees but somehow helps normal folk get raises and shit, Why is god such a dick in the old testiment? Seriously why can’t it just have happened that way? Does EVERYTHING have to be non coincidential to you, that it had to have happened because of a plan?
...... Why is it that water freezes differently from other fluids (it gets less dense), and that it is critical for our very survival?......... Why don’t trees just become pulp, a sappy mess when we cut them down? Why do they remain intact as something we can use for fire, shelter, build houses, make paper, etc?......... Is it just “coincidence” that atoms stay together (the same charges)....... How is it that the ancient Bible is consistent with astronomy?
Half this is irrelivant. Why isn’t god helping people instead of letting people suffer? Why didn’t he make us Gerbils instead of people? Anyway you do know we had astronomy back then right?
The Bible frequently refers to the great number of stars in the heavens....... How is it that the ancient Bible describes the circulation of the atmosphere?
So it has some astronomy in it. Why does the bible say the earth is flat?
...... How is it that the ancient Bible includes some principles of fluid dynamics?
...... How is it that the ancient Bible includes reasonably complete descriptions of the hydrologic cycle?.........
Places in the bible where it does? Anyway I’m pretty sure that was already discovered at the time anyway so it’s not that big of a deal.
If you don’t believe that all the above Bible prophecies have come true, well PROVE they didn’t! Not with “opinions” or by insisting, “No, they didn’t happen”, but by absolute scientific PROOF! Show proof positive that Yeshua/Jesus was never born and that He never was who He said He was......
You actually have to prove they are and he did. Considering the prophecy is so vauge and all have fun. You have to show absolute scientific proof it all did happen. The burden...is on your shoulders. Have fun
As for the answer to some of tem, life wouldnt be a very good test if everything was perfect, would it?
CBA putin nythin else ATM, this seems to be Watchmans arguement.
Watchman wrote:
you are peculiar in your allegories ....but let me say this ...... the gospel accounts do not bear the marks of myth. Pagan myths, legends, fairy tales and the like typically refer to characters who supposedly lived long ago, and often far away, whose supernatural deeds and experiences were not witnessed by anyone still at hand who could verify them...... The Gospels refer to events which had transpired only a few decades at most before they were written, in a country easily accessed, and involved large numbers of people who could still be found and interviewed, and would testify whether or not these things were true. As Paul said, “These things were not done in a corner . . ."
as for your laying a case......, I was speaking of the authenticity of the Bible and the truths within it inc prophecies......... I mean prove that Israel didn’t become a nation again exactly as the Bible prophecied several thousand years ago. (History lesson: Israel became a nation again in 1948 when the world briefly felt sorry for the Jews after the Holocaust, and it happened in ONE DAY, exactly as the Bible prophecied.)............ prove it didn’t happen! Show how tiny little Israel was able to win the 1967 seven-day war against several much bigger and richer countries with much bigger armies. How could that have happened? PROVE that the conflict between Israel and the Arabic Muslim countries IS NOT the result of the conflict/jealousy between the Biblical half-brothers, Isaac and Ishmael! If MAN is so smart, how come he hasn’t been able to cause peace in the Middle East?
Gospels not marks of a myths... talking snakes anyone?
Who wrote mathew? Oh thats right they found some scriptures without knowing who wrote them and name them all christian names...
Christians could have easily created israel to fit the bible, just as jesus decided to ride the donkey into they city as the prophecy predicted...
Again you still ask me to dis prove something that has never been proven.
--- Theory does not mean an unsubstantiated guess or hunch, as it can in everyday speech. A theory is a logically self-consistent model or framework for describing the behavior of a related set of natural or social phenomena.
this topic will never be solved as there are those who blindly believe enough to keep on fighting for there belief, and then there are those who will only see facts even if it is impossible to show them...thus we reach a stalemate as said by joker on the new bat man movie when an unstoppable object meets an unmovable object... so the conflict shall rage on till the end of time itself...
personally i don’t know what to believe and i really don’t think i ever will..
that is why i envy the ignorant for there lives shall be easy and uncomplicated, all they have to do is follow the dotted line that is set in front of them and live.
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when i have made an ambition nothing can get in my way...nothing!
IHaveAReason7 “How does that support or prove evolution? Macromutation doesn’t explain evolution. Where is the fossil proof? Facts?"
Gplex “You are completely right because “macromutation” usually ends up killing what ever mutated.
Adaptation occurs through the accumulation of small changes, such as the slight differences between parents and their children, some of which can result from mutations. These slight changes build up over many many generation etc etc.. you can see where Im going with this... I hope.."
IHaveAReason7 “thanks, I do see. The question I have for the evolutionist is; If “These slight changes build up over many many generation etc etc.. you can see where I’m going with this... I hope.." then it would logically follow that there should be fossil evidence of this. But theres not."
Gplex First off these no such thing as evolutionist, else you want to call everyone electricityist, gravitatinist, relitivitist and atomtist.
There are many examples of evolution in the fossil records; to demonstrate this just google image search human evolution.
Even if there was not one single fossil which there are thousands; the nature of DNA matches up perfectly with predictions made by the theory of evolution.
Straight out lies or ignorance is all creationist show... How can anyone call this a stalemate.
--- Theory does not mean an unsubstantiated guess or hunch, as it can in everyday speech. A theory is a logically self-consistent model or framework for describing the behavior of a related set of natural or social phenomena.
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