Khorib wrote:
I say that if Sephiroth can cant cut the Junon cannon in half with ease back before he became super powerful. Then at the point of Sephiroth’s revival in AC... since he is immortal as well, I can see him having no problem just cutting Sin in half if he really wanted to.
Erm Barrior?, since when did Sephiroth show that kind of power with his sword he chopped up a simulated cannon and a building alittle bit?
SO what if it’s simulated? Also he cut it up with the aftershocks of his slashes. He didn’t have to touch the canon.
BIG FUCKING WOW Sin destroyed a cannon that dident penitrate his barrior with his aura alone, Sephiroth fucked up a fake Mako Cannon pft hardly impressive
FF7 and FF10 universe=the same universe.
Sephiroth is stated to be the strongest by the creators in the universe. Sin loses by defualt. Also Sephiroth held back a planet buster with his will alone. Sin destroyed a canon with his aura? Childs play.
Sephiroth held back holy? hardly a planet buster dude, how the fuck douse Sin lose by default he can’t die?, Sephiroth can slash away at his barrior all day if he like’s he can’t kill Sin, but all Sin has to do is use his extermination move and fry Sephiroth’s body into ash.
When did Sephiroth destroy more than the top part of a building? child’s play my ass
Holy was stated to be able to destroy everything on the planet. Sephiroth could go intangible and dodge sin’s move and Sephiroth is stronger than everyone in the universe so Sin loses hypothetically because Sephiroth is the strongest.
When was Holy stated to be able to wipe out all life on the planet? proof, And why dident Sephiroth go Intangible when Cloud killed his ass 3 fucking time’s huh?, cus he is an arrogant son of a bitch that’s why lol who dousent know Sin’s move’s so wouldent expect them initialy loseing the fight.
Strenth mean’s absulutely nothing if he can’t kill Sin so Sephiroth hasn’t a prayer in the end without knowing Sin’s weakness
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ChibiDiscoDhaos wrote:
Also Sephiroth wins this because it is stated FF10 and FF7 are in the same universe and it was stated Sephiroth is the strongest in the ff7 universe(FF10 universe aswell) so he wins by defualt.
haha urm no...he would actually have to be the strongest in FF7verse for that to constitute as true...
It was stated by the creators he is the strongest.
Yea prior DoC
I’m sure you got creator statements Sephiroth is weaker than ANYONE in DoC then?
Who AC Sephiroth lol without a doubt
Let me see the statements then or else your just pulling shit out of your ass with no proof.
Hold up 2 minute’s kk
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Khorib wrote:
I say that if Sephiroth can cant cut the Junon cannon in half with ease back before he became super powerful. Then at the point of Sephiroth’s revival in AC... since he is immortal as well, I can see him having no problem just cutting Sin in half if he really wanted to.
Erm Barrior?, since when did Sephiroth show that kind of power with his sword he chopped up a simulated cannon and a building alittle bit?
SO what if it’s simulated? Also he cut it up with the aftershocks of his slashes. He didn’t have to touch the canon.
BIG FUCKING WOW Sin destroyed a cannon that dident penitrate his barrior with his aura alone, Sephiroth fucked up a fake Mako Cannon pft hardly impressive
FF7 and FF10 universe=the same universe.
Sephiroth is stated to be the strongest by the creators in the universe. Sin loses by defualt. Also Sephiroth held back a planet buster with his will alone. Sin destroyed a canon with his aura? Childs play.
Sephiroth held back holy? hardly a planet buster dude, how the fuck douse Sin lose by default he can’t die?, Sephiroth can slash away at his barrior all day if he like’s he can’t kill Sin, but all Sin has to do is use his extermination move and fry Sephiroth’s body into ash.
When did Sephiroth destroy more than the top part of a building? child’s play my ass
Holy was stated to be able to destroy everything on the planet. Sephiroth could go intangible and dodge sin’s move and Sephiroth is stronger than everyone in the universe so Sin loses hypothetically because Sephiroth is the strongest.
When was Holy stated to be able to wipe out all life on the planet? proof, And why dident Sephiroth go Intangible when Cloud killed his ass 3 fucking time’s huh?, cus he is an arrogant son of a bitch that’s why lol who dousent know Sin’s move’s so wouldent expect them initialy loseing the fight.
Strenth mean’s absulutely nothing if he can’t kill Sin so Sephiroth hasn’t a prayer in the end without knowing Sin’s weakness
I’ll get the whole game script tommorow anyway, Sephiroth is the most powerful in the universe. Nothing is above him. This includes Sin.
My my how bold of you to assume something written in the FFVII UO also extend’s to FFX in witch SIN is stated as the most powerful being in it’s universe.
God if every statement was true is this one?
“He who crafts the souls of the dead into unholy armor. An armor called Sin. Clad in it, Yu Yevon is invincible."
—Grand Maester Mika
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Yea cus Sephiroth just somehow know’s Sin’s weakness and exactly how to beat him dousent he considering they have never met good Buster so smart arn’t we...-.-"
Did I say Sephiroth knew Sin’s weakness, or did you just pull that one out of your ass? Kyle, if you are trying to make an insult at least make it worthwhile.
in anycase no! firstly Sin can,
1. absorb Sephiroth like he did seymour
What, an intangible body? Yeah, good luck.
2. fry Sephiroth into nothing like he did to the crusader’s on the battle of Mihen
Wow I didn’t know that the Crusaders had the same durability like Sephiroth, lol Cloud soars through a city buster.
3. Crush Sephiroth into nothing with gravity beam witch fuck’s up most the planet aswell
The joys of intangibility eh?
or option four witch is completely unlikely,
4. Sephiroth douse get inside him and see’s that Sin is an amass of energy from within the only way to defeat him is to conquer Sin’s essance from within then himself become’s the next Sin because of Yu Yevon...
think i covered that well
Negative lifestream and it’s all over.
And Kyle, I’d like to see official STATEMENTS that say the Tsviets are better than Sephiroth, if you can’t, then you are lying, good day sir.
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seed wrote:
WOW,locking the original topic?buster sword afraid of me that’s why he request to locked that.
1. Lol i wasn’t trying for an insult as much as insinuateing that you were interperting that Sephiroth knew alot about SIN witch he dousent of couse. (witch is a huge disadvantage).
2. Yea cus Sephiroth randomly phases in every battle for no reason hmmm?
Ok you should know SIN’s attack’s are based on Gravity (heck SIN itself is gravitationaly made from pyerflie’s) so much so is the intencity of it, that it is seen pulling the moon from orbit, now It’s absorbtion was able to suck in Seymour who was just an unsent spirit, and all Sephiroth is when phaseing is lesser mass witch gravity envoke’s into mass correct, so it would work Hypotheticaly.
3. Cloud was useing a Limit Break Climhazard i belive and was rechiveing help from Airith to get through that attack, now what id like to know is were u got city buster from cus i dident see it do shit?, Sephiroth was ended by Cloud’s sword witch he had to block cus he wasn’t durable enough to withstand it’s blow’s correct?
4. Yes cus he uses that ability how often in battle?
5. OOOO im lying am i well then i equal the Task find on paper something saying Sephiroth is ubove the Tsveit’s specificaly Weiss or Omega or hell Chaos or you are lying sir?
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ChibiDiscoDhaos wrote:
He is only arrogent with Cloud...
Actually he was arrogant with Genesis and Angeal aswell while fighting on the Mako Cannon so it is a charicter trait he poseses in most battle’s, (he also show’s of alot to Zack in Crisis Core)
Explain how Sephiroth was arrogant? I think people just call him arrogant out of habit.
Genesis questions who is the hero — himself, or Sephiroth. Sephiroth willingly says that Genesis can be the hero, and Genesis states that Sephiroth’s fame should have originally have been his.
And then when Genesis challenged Sephiroth to a duel, he simply said “ok”. Even while they fight, he is trying not to hurt anyone. The Genesis over steps himself by turning the fight serious and trying to hurt them, so Sephiroth becomes more serious as well... still not intentionally trying to hurt him.
Keep in mind as well that it has been officially stated even after AC that we have not yet seen the extent or limit of Sephiroth’s power. That mystery is all part of what makes Sephiroth the badass that he is. From what we’ve seen of him in AC and Crisis Core, he tends to purposefully take it easy on his opponents, if not only to lengthen the battle.
Honestly, I’m sure there is something that Sephiroth could do to disable Sin’s barrier. At this point Sephiroth could probably gain full control of Sin if he wanted to, since Sin is made from life energy (life stream). He’d just corrupt it, or negate it all together. Point is, for all we know, Sephiroth may even be able to kill Chaos, again, because of the mystery of Sephiroth’s power, we may never know for sure.
Just remember, it has been stated by the creators that Sephiroth is much more powerful than anything WE have seen him do.
*EDIT* I don’t see Sephiroth feeling the need or desire to drag out this fight... especially since Sin is just a non-descript blob of meat. He’d most likely try to end the fight as quickly as possible.
Cid’s Airship Cannon blasted Sin’s left fin and right fin into oblivion. And by doing further damage to Sin, people are able to enter Sin’s body. Sephiroth can do the same.
Sephy goes into Sin’s body. He meets the Final Aeon. He kills it. (Just like how Tidus killed the final aeon. You don’t need Final Summoning.) Yu Yevon appears and tries to possess another aeon. If there is no aeon, Yu Yevon is left vulnerable. Sephy slashes it, and Yevy dies. Therefore, Sin dies with him.
1. Lol i wasn’t trying for an insult as much as insinuateing that you were interperting that Sephiroth knew alot about SIN witch he dousent of couse. (witch is a huge disadvantage).
Ok, my bad. I actually didn’t, I was saying that is a way how can win, which is true.
2. Yea cus Sephiroth randomly phases in every battle for no reason hmmm?
Like how Sin absorbs everybody then huh? Can Sephiroth go intangible? End of story.
Ok you should know SIN’s attack’s are based on Gravity (heck SIN itself is gravitationaly made from pyerflie’s) so much so is the intencity of it, that it is seen pulling the moon from orbit, now It’s absorbtion was able to suck in Seymour who was just an unsent spirit, and all Sephiroth is when phaseing is lesser mass witch gravity envoke’s into mass correct, so it would work Hypotheticaly.
Oh wow, did you forget the Sephiroth can fly and use telekenesis to hold himself into place, you know holding Holy back is some feat. Like Sephiroth doesn’t have any spells...
. Cloud was useing a Limit Break Climhazard i belive and was rechiveing help from Airith to get through that attack, now what id like to know is were u got city buster from cus i dident see it do shit?, Sephiroth was ended by Cloud’s sword witch he had to block cus he wasn’t durable enough to withstand it’s blow’s correct?
What the hell does his limit break have to do with his durability? Aeris didn’t help him through either, she’s dead you know, if she could physcially help, don’t you think she would have from the start? Why didn’t she cure Geostigma? She can’t directly help anyone so that is flawed. So you are saying because Sephiroth parries Cloud’s attacks, Sephiroth can’t take it? Lol Bahamut takes a beating from Cloud, I guess he’s more durable than Sephiroth. It’s funny how Weiss gets shot by Chaos but still blocks it anyway. Yeah Cloud beat Sephiroth with Omnislash, did Sephiroth even have a scratch? Yeah reneration and being very durable explains this. Nice try though.
4. Yes cus he uses that ability how often in battle
Hypocrite, you have no trouble calling Goku a planet buster even though he’s never done such a feat.
5. OOOO im lying am i well then i equal the Task find on paper something saying Sephiroth is ubove the Tsveit’s specificaly Weiss or Omega or hell Chaos or you are lying sir?
Oh I have proof Kyle, remember you were the one saying it’s not true because it destroys your argument. Here we go again, deny this insane proof.
Tetsuya Nomura wrote:
“Kitase said that Sephiroth’s existence and will is extremely powerful. There is nothing stronger, nothing above him. We had a difficult time deciding on the reason why Sephiroth would appear. Originally there was an idea that the three silver haired men would unite together (and form Sephiroth) but we rejected it because it would be too comical. Kadaj had to be approached in a different way from Sephiroth. I wanted him to be intelligent and cruel, but innocent at the same time, a mentally unstable character.“
BC Commentary wrote:
“Zack was chosen as the main character as a representative of a BC era SOLDIER. Sephiroth is already the strongest in the world so there’s no room for growth, and we couldn’t possibly see ourselves making a game over type situation where he loses”
Tetsuya Nomura wrote:
“Producer Kitase decided that they couldn’t make any other character stronger than Sephiroth in the world of FFVII.“
Go on, deny it I would love for you to deny this.
I hate to do this Kyle, but you forced me to pull up your double standard here, it’s over now, there is no point in trying to argue with what you say in this post.
Kyle Knight wrote:
Goku stopped Janemba and Brolly before they could simple as, but if the creator say’s they can then his word>your’s
That was said in the Galactus Vs Goku debate. Sephiroth is the greatest being in the VII universe, get ver it my friend.
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seed wrote:
WOW,locking the original topic?buster sword afraid of me that’s why he request to locked that.
And Sin was stated to be the strongest thing in it’s world but guess what? FF10 happens BEFORE FF7, and also the Ultimania was mad after FF10 so you know...Sephiroth is greater than Sin.
Nojima: Yes, actually. After Shinra quit the Gullwings he got enormous financial backing from Rin and went to the Farplane to start extracting the Mako energy used by the Vegnagun. But the system for utilizing this energy could not be completed in his generation, so far in the future when space travel was possible, the Shinra Company was founded on another planet... or something like that. That would be a thousand years or so from this game’s story.
— And VII’s story takes place after that?
Nojima: Well, you could say that’s how I personally feel about it. -from page 4
This is how they are connected. The rest is people saying that is not true and arguements over it, but it was proven true on page 21; just read the first post on that page and square-enix is basically stating yes they are related with some of the ffx-2 merchandise.
I just hate the part how the creator just pulled that out of his ass at the end.
And Sin was probably the strongest in its time, and Sephy was the strongest in his time. 3000 year gap.
ChibiDiscoDhaos wrote:
He is only arrogent with Cloud...
Actually he was arrogant with Genesis and Angeal aswell while fighting on the Mako Cannon so it is a charicter trait he poseses in most battle’s, (he also show’s of alot to Zack in Crisis Core)
Explain how Sephiroth was arrogant? I think people just call him arrogant out of habit.
Genesis questions who is the hero — himself, or Sephiroth. Sephiroth willingly says that Genesis can be the hero, and Genesis states that Sephiroth’s fame should have originally have been his.
And then when Genesis challenged Sephiroth to a duel, he simply said “ok”. Even while they fight, he is trying not to hurt anyone. The Genesis over steps himself by turning the fight serious and trying to hurt them, so Sephiroth becomes more serious as well... still not intentionally trying to hurt him.
Keep in mind as well that it has been officially stated even after AC that we have not yet seen the extent or limit of Sephiroth’s power. That mystery is all part of what makes Sephiroth the badass that he is. From what we’ve seen of him in AC and Crisis Core, he tends to purposefully take it easy on his opponents, if not only to lengthen the battle.
Honestly, I’m sure there is something that Sephiroth could do to disable Sin’s barrier. At this point Sephiroth could probably gain full control of Sin if he wanted to, since Sin is made from life energy (life stream). He’d just corrupt it, or negate it all together. Point is, for all we know, Sephiroth may even be able to kill Chaos, again, because of the mystery of Sephiroth’s power, we may never know for sure.
Just remember, it has been stated by the creators that Sephiroth is much more powerful than anything WE have seen him do.
*EDIT* I don’t see Sephiroth feeling the need or desire to drag out this fight... especially since Sin is just a non-descript blob of meat. He’d most likely try to end the fight as quickly as possible.
Actually Sephiroth was extreamly Arrogant in that battle firstly he was shuting down Angeal smirking while saying “is that the best you can do” to witch he shove’s Angeal back.
Next Genesis attempted to teach Sephiroth a leason mo-fuck pushing him back stedily to witch Sephiroth became angered by and retaliate’s in an according manner.
From here on in both are arrogant Sephiroth’s last showing being driveing Genesis back along the mako cannon intentialy missing him but demonstrateing his strenth while completely destroying the mako cannon.
Neither is in control of their wit’s however and Angeal must interveine to bring closure to the fight.
Cid’s Airship Cannon blasted Sin’s left fin and right fin into oblivion. And by doing further damage to Sin, people are able to enter Sin’s body. Sephiroth can do the same.
Sephy goes into Sin’s body. He meets the Final Aeon. He kills it. (Just like how Tidus killed the final aeon. You don’t need Final Summoning.) Yu Yevon appears and tries to possess another aeon. If there is no aeon, Yu Yevon is left vulnerable. Sephy slashes it, and Yevy dies. Therefore, Sin dies with him.
kthxbai.
u completely miss the point tho the hym of the faith gave Jecht (the current Sin) the strenth to fight his own nature and he lowered the barrior allowing them to attack him, this is not the case here tho also Jecht pulled them inside him to defeat Final Seymour, himself, and Yu Yevon witch Tidus Yuna Riku Auron Wakka Lulu and Kamari did with some effort might i add, then Yuna had to send Sin witch Sephiroth has no idea how to do.
So basicaly how douse he get past his barrior envoke enough damage on Sin to get inside (figureing that’s actually were he need’s to be?) and then beat Yu Yevon and Sin also then sending Sin?
1. well it is a way he can avoid attack’s i dunno how it would assist in a win tho?
2. Sin actually douse a fair bit of absorbing throughout his battle’s, but yea Seph can phase so sure he has the ability but it hasn’t done shit for him in the past
3. Erm i was just pointing out how Gravija can suck in all matter and how it effect’s matter (it’s magic envoked) what douse this have to do with Holy? and none of Seph’s magic ever pulled the moon from orbit of fucked the planet up on such a large scale did it?
4. This is completely reffuted because it show’s Airith giveing Cloud handout by transffering Lifestream into him (giveing him that final push) through mega flare aswell as him clearly useing a limit break climhazzard (limit break surpassing limit’s of course), and isn’t Bahamut a dagon consisting of scale’s? if so why wouldent he be more durable than Sephiroth?
Your implying that Sephiroth has immence Endurance when he was clearly avoiding Cloud’s sword and parrying his attack’s when in reality IF he was this durable he would be able to withstand the attack’s without even needing his sword.
Weiss was said to have a near indistructable body plus their is evidence neither he or Chaos wern’t hit by those attack’s as both are seen takeing the other’s back’s right after insinuateing they avoided the attack, their is even an after image like blur on the hit party plus have you even seen what the death penalty douse?, if it did hit Weiss it would have killed him for sure as it destroy’s contaminated soul’s upon impact.
5. It’s hardly hypocritical Buster lol -.-" you see other’s far weaker Freiza Vegeta King Vegeta Brolly and such have all been shown to have thisability and thnsome so their is proof enough Goku can achive this feat, how often douse Sephiroth or any use Phaseing in battle dureing FFVII hmmm?
6. This is far to simple to refute useing DBZ as u tried my freind, Gohan is stated by the creator’s to be the strongest unfused charicter in Dragon Ball yet douse this extend to GT? no it douse not, the refferance’s you have are based in CC BC and AC nothing from DoC stateing he is ubove Weiss Chaos or Omega and was written and released before DoC was even released so theirfore douse not extend past the time it was written (hell their is close to no information given in the UO on DG, because for obviouse reason’s the creator’s dident want any spoiler’s getting out before it’s release).
Whoa whoa whoa two completely different aspect’s their if a creator say’s his charicter can destroy a universe douse this make it untrue?, of course not if he wish’s it but if a creator pre series state’s a charicter to be the strongest in that percific time and space (Friza,perfect Cell,Kid Buu) then they are also telling the truth but it dousent extend to all time’s past presant and future you get me? So Sephiroth was the Strongest but their is no evidence Sephiroth is beyond Weiss or Chaos in DoC but nice try brother -.o
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