is a extremely informative, well put together site I found that gives you quite a bit more information than you’d usually get, and the sources for everything is also pretty well cited.
While it is obviously biased, I still find it to be a very good resource (suggesting books to read that cover the particular subject at hand) while also entertaining to read, with plenty of tongue and cheek. Let’s face it though, It hard not to be biased when there is no evidence for Creationism and/or God.
Feel free to check it out and post what you think.
No time to check it out now. Does it touch on subjects such as why people put live trees in their house at Christmas and paint eggs and hide them for Easter? 'Cause they have never made sense to me and I’ve known they are deep rooten in Pagan beliefs. That and they just seem like things a drunk person would do...
“I’m gonna go cut down a tree, put it in my living room and decorate it for JESUS!"
Oranje wrote:
No time to check it out now. Does it touch on subjects such as why people put live trees in their house at Christmas and paint eggs and hide them for Easter? 'Cause they have never made sense to me and I’ve known they are deep rooten in Pagan beliefs. That and they just seem like things a drunk person would do...
“I’m gonna go cut down a tree, put it in my living room and decorate it for JESUS!“
hehe. Nice Jim Gaffigan quote, lol. But I do believe it does touch on those specific subjects.
Khorib - thanks for sharing . I only glanced at it quickly, but so far I am impressed with the fact that they didn’t mix up Osiris and Horus as so many “resources” have been doing lately.
Oranje - the traditions that we’ve come to associate with Christmas come from several pre-Christian traditions including Yule, Saturnalia/Sol Inviticus and several Germanic traditions (which is where we get the idea of bringing greenery into the house from).
As for eggs at Easter - I’d have to do more research. But generally speaking they’re a fertility symbol.
its got nothing on the Two Babylons by Alexander Hislop......I think it was written 150 years by this ex rev who studied secret manuals in the catacombs of the Vatican and left after that because of what he found ......you can google it....its got all kinds of pictures that relate christendom with demons and easter/astaroth, and archelogical finds as well....the dude was so shocked at what he found that he wrote the book straight away....
Khorib wrote:
Let’s face it though, It hard not to be biased when there is no evidence for Creationism and/or God.
the non-existence of God cannot be proven. One cannot prove a universal negative. Alternatively though, the existence of God is provable.
Considering the concept, design, and intricate details of our world necessitate an intelligent designer......
Khorib wrote:
Let’s face it though, It hard not to be biased when there is no evidence for Creationism and/or God.
the non-existence of God cannot be proven. One cannot prove a universal negative. Alternatively though, the existence of God is provable.
Considering the concept, design, and intricate details of our world necessitate an intelligent designer......
Well, there is an argument for the existence of a greater consciousness that may or may not be a creative force. Not necessarily God, but perhaps possibly 'a' god of some sort. I think the nature of deity is probably inconceivable to a mind that is still relatively inexperienced in even the act of being sentient. In the vastness of space however, there is also validity to the argument that life is a cosmic fluke. Neither view can be proven or disproven, although I believe that fluke would not produe the diversity of life that we have. Technically it should have produced chaos where it in fact produced order. Ah, I could debate this with myself for hours
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Watchman wrote:
If you went down the street and saw a quarter on the sidewalk, what would you think naturally ?
You’d think 'what a stroke of luck' or something similar, but luck is just a mental construction to embody positive effect where the cause is unknown or not deliberately manipulated by the self.
You’re not trying to use the unexpectedly positive results of unseen cause and effect as evidence of intelligent design are you? That would entirely rely on total pre-determinism, which cannot yet be proven or disproven. The problem is, that for pre-determinism to prove the existence of God, it would also prove free-will to be an illusion, thereby making God responsible for the existence of murderers, rapists, etc, and thereby prove the concept of Heaven and Hell, and indeed any kind of moral reward system to be completely redundant and everyone would have been pre-chosen for salvation or damnation right back at the beginning of all existence.
is a extremely informative, well put together site I found that gives you quite a bit more information than you’d usually get, and the sources for everything is also pretty well cited.
While it is obviously biased, I still find it to be a very good resource (suggesting books to read that cover the particular subject at hand) while also entertaining to read, with plenty of tongue and cheek. Let’s face it though, It hard not to be biased when there is no evidence for Creationism and/or God.
Feel free to check it out and post what you think.
I saw this in the God Delusion by Richard Dawkins... Funny how people believe in a “truth” that doesnt co-exist with history...
Watchman wrote:
If you went down the street and saw a quarter on the sidewalk, what would you think naturally ?
You’d think 'what a stroke of luck' or something similar, but luck is just a mental construction to embody positive effect where the cause is unknown or not deliberately manipulated by the self.
You’re not trying to use the unexpectedly positive results of unseen cause and effect as evidence of intelligent design are you? That would entirely rely on total pre-determinism, which cannot yet be proven or disproven. The problem is, that for pre-determinism to prove the existence of God, it would also prove free-will to be an illusion, thereby making God responsible for the existence of murderers, rapists, etc, and thereby prove the concept of Heaven and Hell, and indeed any kind of moral reward system to be completely redundant and everyone would have been pre-chosen for salvation or damnation right back at the beginning of all existence.
I dont think thats what im saying but just go with with me on this one......If you went down the street and saw a handful of quarters on the sidewalk, you would think? “Someone had a big hole in their pockets, or dropped a roll of quarters."....... But if you went down the street and saw one hundred quarters on the sidewalk and they were all carefully balanced precariously on their edges, you would have to think somebody did this deliberately.........The Universe as we know it, is that carefully balanced......
its a theory known as the Strong Anthropic Principle........ The only possibility other than this Universe was created, is there are so many universes that the equivalent of one hundred quarters falling out of someone’s pocket and ALL of them ending up balanced on their edges occurred, completely by random chance............. This theory is known as the, “Weak Anthropic Principle." So if you are a rational thinker here are your only two choices....... Either this Universe was created , or that there are multitudes of Universes.
Watchman wrote:
If you went down the street and saw a quarter on the sidewalk, what would you think naturally ?
You’d think 'what a stroke of luck' or something similar, but luck is just a mental construction to embody positive effect where the cause is unknown or not deliberately manipulated by the self.
You’re not trying to use the unexpectedly positive results of unseen cause and effect as evidence of intelligent design are you? That would entirely rely on total pre-determinism, which cannot yet be proven or disproven. The problem is, that for pre-determinism to prove the existence of God, it would also prove free-will to be an illusion, thereby making God responsible for the existence of murderers, rapists, etc, and thereby prove the concept of Heaven and Hell, and indeed any kind of moral reward system to be completely redundant and everyone would have been pre-chosen for salvation or damnation right back at the beginning of all existence.
I dont think thats what im saying but just go with with me on this one......If you went down the street and saw a handful of quarters on the sidewalk, you would think? “Someone had a big hole in their pockets, or dropped a roll of quarters."....... But if you went down the street and saw one hundred quarters on the sidewalk and they were all carefully balanced precariously on their edges, you would have to think somebody did this deliberately.........The Universe as we know it, is that carefully balanced......
I don’t know why you think that our universe is carefully balanced.... Our Solar System was born from the destruction of a giant star, the constant threat of asteroid impacts, natural disasters killing millions every decade, not to mention all the things that are trying to kill us...
--- Theory does not mean an unsubstantiated guess or hunch, as it can in everyday speech. A theory is a logically self-consistent model or framework for describing the behavior of a related set of natural or social phenomena.
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. I only glanced at it quickly, but so far I am impressed with the fact that they didn’t mix up Osiris and Horus as so many “resources” have been doing lately.
