No need. I’ve seen all of YYH. And while they’re definitely stronger than Bleachers from what we’ve seen (although, blocking Soukyouku was pretty fucking awesome), they don’t have the versatility and speed to overcome Bleach.
right now i am watching the vizard ichigo vs grimmjow fight(its freaking awesome one of the best battles i have seen in anime history) there speed is not that great though
Ky wrote:
No need. I’ve seen all of YYH. And while they’re definitely stronger than Bleachers from what we’ve seen (although, blocking Soukyouku was pretty fucking awesome), they don’t have the versatility and speed to overcome Bleach.
Strength would be one of the only things that YYH has over Bleach. Other than that, Bleach takes this.
--- When good men do nothing, that is evil enough.
Ky wrote:
Kay, first of all. Hiei is notoriously FAST. That’s part of his power-set. Just because he’s fast, doesn’t necessarily mean somebody who’s on a higher level than him is faster. Toguro himself has never shown that level of speed.
And second, slicing 16 times in a second is impressive, but nowhere NEAR as impressive as moving several meters while your character is looking at you, cutting your sword in half, then returning to your original position without even looking like you moved in the first place. And note, this was at 1/5th of his true speed/power.
Third, durability. Yeah, okay. They’re going to get chopped into pieces by Senbon Sakura. Yusuke, who was around an A-class rank (higher than Toguro’s B class), was running away from things like knives and rocks thrown at him. If he was so damn durable, why couldn’t he have just stayed there and taken the bulk of it?
Sorry, but Byakuya is just too damn fast with his Shyunpo and Bankai. And that’s not even mentioning his Dark Art magic.
sorry but toguro is faster than hiei (in the dark tournament atleast) hiei himself said he could not follow the movements of both toguro and yusuke meaning if your eyes cant follow something then your also not fast enough to keep up with that speed
And guess what. Hiei himself is not as fast as Byakuya is. Sorry, but the greatest speed feat in YYH was when Kurama stated that Hiei (A class or lower S, I forgot) could be anywhere in the city, and then when Yusuke blew on the whistle, he showed up right then. But the problem with that is that Hiei could have been anywhere, too. He could have been close to them OR far away from them. Judging by his characteristic to stay close to Yukina, it would be safe to say he was closer than farther.
OTOH, Bleachers have shown they could move such speeds that they can traverse several miles in an instant, as pointed out by Yamamoto, when Shunsui, while holding somebody, was able to move back and forth several miles in less than a second.
Ky wrote:
Kay, first of all. Hiei is notoriously FAST. That’s part of his power-set. Just because he’s fast, doesn’t necessarily mean somebody who’s on a higher level than him is faster. Toguro himself has never shown that level of speed.
And second, slicing 16 times in a second is impressive, but nowhere NEAR as impressive as moving several meters while your character is looking at you, cutting your sword in half, then returning to your original position without even looking like you moved in the first place. And note, this was at 1/5th of his true speed/power.
Third, durability. Yeah, okay. They’re going to get chopped into pieces by Senbon Sakura. Yusuke, who was around an A-class rank (higher than Toguro’s B class), was running away from things like knives and rocks thrown at him. If he was so damn durable, why couldn’t he have just stayed there and taken the bulk of it?
Sorry, but Byakuya is just too damn fast with his Shyunpo and Bankai. And that’s not even mentioning his Dark Art magic.
sorry but toguro is faster than hiei (in the dark tournament atleast) hiei himself said he could not follow the movements of both toguro and yusuke meaning if your eyes cant follow something then your also not fast enough to keep up with that speed
And guess what. Hiei himself is not as fast as Byakuya is. Sorry, but the greatest speed feat in YYH was when Kurama stated that Hiei (A class or lower S, I forgot) could be anywhere in the city, and then when Yusuke blew on the whistle, he showed up right then. But the problem with that is that Hiei could have been anywhere, too. He could have been close to them OR far away from them. Judging by his characteristic to stay close to Yukina, it would be safe to say he was closer than farther.
OTOH, Bleachers have shown they could move such speeds that they can traverse several miles in an instant, as pointed out by Yamamoto, when Shunsui, while holding somebody, was able to move back and forth several miles in less than a second.
if we say hiei was past the city which was over 60 miles then we can safely say that is around mach 300 or something and sorry but once again that is wrong when hiei, kurama and kuwabara fought sensui in demon world hiei moved so fast he completely disappeared from sensuies sight and if he was anywhere close sensui would of been able to see or sense his youki but since that did not happen that his greatest speed feat
Ky wrote:
Kay, first of all. Hiei is notoriously FAST. That’s part of his power-set. Just because he’s fast, doesn’t necessarily mean somebody who’s on a higher level than him is faster. Toguro himself has never shown that level of speed.
And second, slicing 16 times in a second is impressive, but nowhere NEAR as impressive as moving several meters while your character is looking at you, cutting your sword in half, then returning to your original position without even looking like you moved in the first place. And note, this was at 1/5th of his true speed/power.
Third, durability. Yeah, okay. They’re going to get chopped into pieces by Senbon Sakura. Yusuke, who was around an A-class rank (higher than Toguro’s B class), was running away from things like knives and rocks thrown at him. If he was so damn durable, why couldn’t he have just stayed there and taken the bulk of it?
Sorry, but Byakuya is just too damn fast with his Shyunpo and Bankai. And that’s not even mentioning his Dark Art magic.
sorry but toguro is faster than hiei (in the dark tournament atleast) hiei himself said he could not follow the movements of both toguro and yusuke meaning if your eyes cant follow something then your also not fast enough to keep up with that speed
And guess what. Hiei himself is not as fast as Byakuya is. Sorry, but the greatest speed feat in YYH was when Kurama stated that Hiei (A class or lower S, I forgot) could be anywhere in the city, and then when Yusuke blew on the whistle, he showed up right then. But the problem with that is that Hiei could have been anywhere, too. He could have been close to them OR far away from them. Judging by his characteristic to stay close to Yukina, it would be safe to say he was closer than farther.
OTOH, Bleachers have shown they could move such speeds that they can traverse several miles in an instant, as pointed out by Yamamoto, when Shunsui, while holding somebody, was able to move back and forth several miles in less than a second.
Ky wrote:
Kay, first of all. Hiei is notoriously FAST. That’s part of his power-set. Just because he’s fast, doesn’t necessarily mean somebody who’s on a higher level than him is faster. Toguro himself has never shown that level of speed.
And second, slicing 16 times in a second is impressive, but nowhere NEAR as impressive as moving several meters while your character is looking at you, cutting your sword in half, then returning to your original position without even looking like you moved in the first place. And note, this was at 1/5th of his true speed/power.
Third, durability. Yeah, okay. They’re going to get chopped into pieces by Senbon Sakura. Yusuke, who was around an A-class rank (higher than Toguro’s B class), was running away from things like knives and rocks thrown at him. If he was so damn durable, why couldn’t he have just stayed there and taken the bulk of it?
Sorry, but Byakuya is just too damn fast with his Shyunpo and Bankai. And that’s not even mentioning his Dark Art magic.
sorry but toguro is faster than hiei (in the dark tournament atleast) hiei himself said he could not follow the movements of both toguro and yusuke meaning if your eyes cant follow something then your also not fast enough to keep up with that speed
And guess what. Hiei himself is not as fast as Byakuya is. Sorry, but the greatest speed feat in YYH was when Kurama stated that Hiei (A class or lower S, I forgot) could be anywhere in the city, and then when Yusuke blew on the whistle, he showed up right then. But the problem with that is that Hiei could have been anywhere, too. He could have been close to them OR far away from them. Judging by his characteristic to stay close to Yukina, it would be safe to say he was closer than farther.
OTOH, Bleachers have shown they could move such speeds that they can traverse several miles in an instant, as pointed out by Yamamoto, when Shunsui, while holding somebody, was able to move back and forth several miles in less than a second.
if we say hiei was past the city which was over 60 miles then we can safely say that is around mach 300 or something and sorry but once again that is wrong when hiei, kurama and kuwabara fought sensui in demon world hiei moved so fast he completely disappeared from sensuies sight and if he was anywhere close sensui would of been able to see or sense his youki but since that did not happen that his greatest speed feat
He was in a 60 mile range, since Botan’s spirit energy could only make the sound go for at least 60 miles. He was no farther than that.
--- When good men do nothing, that is evil enough.
What are you talking about? When Sensui was fighting against Kuwabara, Kurama and Hiei, he was kicking their asses at their best. That means Hiei was around A-class AND he had absorbed the Black Dragon. Kuwabara had the Dimensional sword. Kurama was in his Youko form. Even while in his defensive armour, he was beating the crap out of those three.
And since when was the city they were in over 60 miles?
i guess so but we have no idea how far he was within the 60 mile range but hiei disappearing in front of a S- class sensui tops going 60 miles in less than a second by miles
Christian Gold Saint of Aries wrote:
i guess so but we have no idea how far he was within the 60 mile range but hiei disappearing in front of a S- class sensui tops going 60 miles in less than a second by miles
He was in the range. Take it from Botan. She could make it go for at least 60 miles.
--- When good men do nothing, that is evil enough.
Ky wrote:
What are you talking about? When Sensui was fighting against Kuwabara, Kurama and Hiei, he was kicking their asses at their best. That means Hiei was around A-class AND he had absorbed the Black Dragon. Kuwabara had the Dimensional sword. Kurama was in his Youko form. Even while in his defensive armour, he was beating the crap out of those three.
And since when was the city they were in over 60 miles?
yes they were loosing to them but hiei was faster than him atleast
Ky wrote:
What are you talking about? When Sensui was fighting against Kuwabara, Kurama and Hiei, he was kicking their asses at their best. That means Hiei was around A-class AND he had absorbed the Black Dragon. Kuwabara had the Dimensional sword. Kurama was in his Youko form. Even while in his defensive armour, he was beating the crap out of those three.
And since when was the city they were in over 60 miles?
yes they were loosing to them but hiei was faster than him atleast
No, he wasn’t. In that fight, Hiei was outright attacking. There was no speed blitz oor anything of the sort.
i know i was saying hiei moved so fast he disappeared out of sensuies sight and sensui could not track him meaning his foot speed was faster than him maybe
Darth Nihilus wrote:
And furthermore, he shot a spirit gun that destroyed part of the forest, not the forest.
Roshi tiny kamehameha destroy a forest,
ohhh wait nvm, that Yusuke spirit gun o-o
-Yusuke attack even tho, it wasn’t full power, you compare it with nuclear attack
-even at full power maybe, he can destroy bit more of the forests, but that it >_>
- or even cause forest fire
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