firewolf81 wrote:
Evil doesn’t exist. Its a notion developed by mankind to label and rationalise that which they do not fully understand or tollerate. Its a notion that gets thrown around to justify a feelings people experiance when faced with something they find morally disturbing and untollerable. Indeed Evil, much like good is simply a act of survival and selfserving. Good is even more of a stupid notion than evil. NOBODY does good unless they have something to gain. Even the most rightious of people do good their entire lives just so they will be welcomed in heaven, which is another mankind derived notion to justify and give worth to their lives.
Evil doesn’t exist. Only instinct and primal survival.
So basically, every man and woman for himself. Is that what you are saying?
Thats what good and evil is..yeah. But its not good and evil, just survival. Good and evil are notions shaped by humanity and society. They don’t exist in uncivilised society. Basically shit happens...thats evil summed up.
firewolf81 wrote:
Evil doesn’t exist. Its a notion developed by mankind to label and rationalise that which they do not fully understand or tollerate. Its a notion that gets thrown around to justify a feelings people experiance when faced with something they find morally disturbing and untollerable. Indeed Evil, much like good is simply a act of survival and selfserving. Good is even more of a stupid notion than evil. NOBODY does good unless they have something to gain. Even the most rightious of people do good their entire lives just so they will be welcomed in heaven, which is another mankind derived notion to justify and give worth to their lives.
Evil doesn’t exist. Only instinct and primal survival.
So basically, every man and woman for himself. Is that what you are saying?
Thats what good and evil is..yeah. But its not good and evil, just survival. Good and evil are notions shaped by humanity and society. They don’t exist in uncivilised society. Basically shit happens...thats evil summed up.
They are more of ideals in my opinion, nothing more.
Watchman wrote:
The holocaust, molesting, torture, beatings, and kidnappings. Drunk drivers across America regularly slam their vehicles into other cars instantly killing whole families. There are witchdoctors in Africa who tell men who have AIDS to have sex with a baby in order to be cured, and as a result many female babies are being taken from their mother’s arms and gang-raped even as I write this. Is this not horrendous? In sub-Saharan Africa nearly four million people die from AIDS each year! Just watching a re-enactment of the holocaust as depicted in Spielberg’s movie, Schindler’s List, is enough to keep Christians up late at night wondering why God doesn’t do much to help us in this life. Nearly 40,000 people, mostly children, die every day around the world, due to hunger. Then there was Joseph Mengele, who tortured concentration camp prisoners; atomic bombs that devastated Hiroshima and Nagasaki, Soviet gulags, 9/11 twin tower terrorist attacks, Cambodian children stepping on land mines, Columbine shootings, Jeffery Dahlmer, Ted Bundy, gang rapes, and brutal slavery.
is this not evil?
Of course not. Evil doesn’t really exist. Everything you just noted may seem evil to you, but to thousands of other life forms it wouldn’t be in the slightest bit evil, it might even be good to them. Go beyond humans and good and evil are meaningless because they are arbitrary ideals to us and exclusively to us. We only consider good and evil in humans, that’s how selfish and arrogant our species really is. If you think otherwise, then tell us what you think evil is, and don’t hold back.
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the21gamer wrote:
fuck that load of bullshit. i dont care if the enemy dies. not fighting back is stupid
Itachi Uchiha wrote:
well for your animal brain I think killing is allowed... no wonder pol pot said I dont believe in god...
Ha ha Itachi, you are the one to talk? Your people torture others merely because they don’t believe what they do. Muslims are more “animalistic” than any atheist... You animal
What in history had told us straight in the face that killing is bad? Obviously Muslims in the middle east don’t think it is, considering they have committed some of the most massive genocides on the planet. Nothing ever created the human race while trying to throw a list of morals in mind. We are just mass and chemicals, reacting in special ways. Because the structure of each and everyone of our minds is different. Through these reactions, and the experience gained as a growing organism, we craft our own morals. Some would live their lives in a way where they can think murder is good (the Middle East), and on the other side of the coin, we have people that think that it is wrong.
I will counter by asking all here if a person should then be free to cut a tiny child into small pieces. Some of you may say claime that while you wouldn’t like it, you could find no compelling reason to say such behavior was wrong......well Is this not a contradiction: by your own admission, you have felt inside a revulsion regarding such an act. Where did this revulsion come from?
after all in the animal kingdom there are very few examples of inherently evil behavior. Animals exist in relative peace compared to the turbulent societies of man. They kill for food or territory or mates, but only man is really capable of truly malicious premeditated carnage. Only man is able to understand the difference between wrong and right. In every society on earth we find rules of conduct designed to ward off behavior that can destroy the culture. Many of these societies do not believe in God as Judeo-Christian cultures do. Yet each society recognizes the problem of man’s evil nature..
For every person there is his own set of morals. In every set of morals, there are acts which are perceived as negative. This is evil. Watchman, to you, this may seem evil; to another it may not. Just because most people have overlapping areas in their morality, it does not mean that everyone’s morality is identical.
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Watchman wrote:
so what is your defintion of Evil?
Evil is someone that would do harm to another living thing and not feel any guilt.
Its not evil to kill an animal if you do it fast and as pain free as possible to feed your family. Or even to kill another human being if its to protect someone else. But to just hurt for the sake of it and for the fun of it and with out guilt then I would say that would be a pretty close description of evil.
Think of it as this. Hitler was one of the main leaders of WWII, and one of it’s catalysts, if I must say. The things he did are very questionable, and to most people, myself included, evil, or acts of evil, but to Hitler himself, it was a good thing, or an act of justice.
The reason that he did what he did is because his hatred for the Jews, one of the mains reasons being that they placed Jesus Christ on the cross, having him crucified.
The must unusual things that the Germans, including Hitler, would blame the Jews for. Then sending them to death camps, as a way of punishment for them. At that time, in the eyes of the Germans, this was a good thing. In other people’s eyes, such as ours, this was an evil thing.
Darth Nihilus wrote:
Think of it as this. Hitler was one of the main leaders of WWII, and one of it’s catalysts, if I must say. The things he did are very questionable, and to most people, myself included, evil, or acts of evil, but to Hitler himself, it was a good thing, or an act of justice.
The reason that he did what he did is because his hatred for the Jews, one of the mains reasons being that they placed Jesus Christ on the cross, having him crucified.
The must unusual things that the Germans, including Hitler, would blame the Jews for. Then sending them to death camps, as a way of punishment for them. At that time, in the eyes of the Germans, this was a good thing. In other people’s eyes, such as ours, this was an evil thing.
Another reason so many German’s threw their lot in with the Nazi’s is because of they current state they were in. Germany and all it’s people were paying in blood for the previous war, and were stricken with severe poverty, the majority of people having little or nothing to do with WW1.
That being said, Hitler was solving that problem, and life was drastically improved for everyone (except the Jews of course, but they weren’t even really seen as Germans). He improved the quality of life for the German’s, brought them out of poverty, and gave them a cause and hope. Many German’s at the time saw Hitler as a true hero.
Darth Nihilus wrote:
Think of it as this. Hitler was one of the main leaders of WWII, and one of it’s catalysts, if I must say. The things he did are very questionable, and to most people, myself included, evil, or acts of evil, but to Hitler himself, it was a good thing, or an act of justice.
The reason that he did what he did is because his hatred for the Jews, one of the mains reasons being that they placed Jesus Christ on the cross, having him crucified.
The must unusual things that the Germans, including Hitler, would blame the Jews for. Then sending them to death camps, as a way of punishment for them. At that time, in the eyes of the Germans, this was a good thing. In other people’s eyes, such as ours, this was an evil thing.
Another reason so many German’s threw their lot in with the Nazi’s is because of they current state they were in. Germany and all it’s people were paying in blood for the previous war, and were stricken with severe poverty, the majority of people having little or nothing to do with WW1.
That being said, Hitler was solving that problem, and life was drastically improved for everyone (except the Jews of course, but they weren’t even really seen as Germans). He improved the quality of life for the German’s, brought them out of poverty, and gave them a cause and hope. Many German’s at the time saw Hitler as a true hero.
Yes, they did see him as a hero, but some saw him as a tyrant, who was doing the right things for the wrong reasons.
Well I personally think that Hitler sew all the evil in the world and tried to put a stop to it once and for all. The problem is that even though he might have thought he was doing good almost all the rest of the world disagreed with him as he was coursing a lot of pain in the world. To get to where he wonted to be the prise was just to high. So even though he may have thought he was doing it for the good of the ppl he had no right to control ppl like he did so that makes him evil. I mean I am not religious but Jesus apparently suffered for our sins, But he suffered not other ppl. so that would not make him evil.
Darth Nihilus wrote:
Basically, you cannot have just the Yin. You also have to have the Yang to have a balance.
Them are as wiser words as i have ever seen written on this boards in my hole time here.
It’s true. People only think about one side of the equation, when they should look at all aspects of it. Another example would be the Jedi. They were so hellbent on eradicating the Sith and saving the galaxy, when they are very similar to the Sith themselves. You cannot have good without evil.
Darth Nihilus wrote:
Basically, you cannot have just the Yin. You also have to have the Yang to have a balance.
Them are as wiser words as i have ever seen written on this boards in my hole time here.
It’s true. People only think about one side of the equation, when they should look at all aspects of it. Another example would be the Jedi. They were so hellbent on eradicating the Sith and saving the galaxy, when they are very similar to the Sith themselves. You cannot have good without evil.
That is because, unfortunately, very few people seem to realize there is no black and white. There is only shades of gray, some being darker and some being lighter. There are no solid lines, everything is blurred, and that is life.
Darth Nihilus wrote:
Basically, you cannot have just the Yin. You also have to have the Yang to have a balance.
Them are as wiser words as i have ever seen written on this boards in my hole time here.
It’s true. People only think about one side of the equation, when they should look at all aspects of it. Another example would be the Jedi. They were so hellbent on eradicating the Sith and saving the galaxy, when they are very similar to the Sith themselves. You cannot have good without evil.
That is because, unfortunately, very few people seem to realize there is no black and white. There is only shades of gray, some being darker and some being lighter. There are no solid lines, everything is blurred, and that is life.
Watchman wrote:
I will counter by asking all here if a person should then be free to cut a tiny child into small pieces. Some of you may say claime that while you wouldn’t like it, you could find no compelling reason to say such behavior was wrong......well Is this not a contradiction: by your own admission, you have felt inside a revulsion regarding such an act. Where did this revulsion come from?
after all in the animal kingdom there are very few examples of inherently evil behavior. Animals exist in relative peace compared to the turbulent societies of man. They kill for food or territory or mates, but only man is really capable of truly malicious premeditated carnage. Only man is able to understand the difference between wrong and right. In every society on earth we find rules of conduct designed to ward off behavior that can destroy the culture. Many of these societies do not believe in God as Judeo-Christian cultures do. Yet each society recognizes the problem of man’s evil nature..
If any life form aside from humans knew that you were raped to death, do you think they would give a shit about you? Do you honestly think they would give a shit about you? Hell, at least 99% of the world’s living creatures wouldn’t because they don’t know you. Would that count as evil? It shouldn’t, because it is only “evil” perceived by yourself. To anything else else in the world it wouldn’t matter. They wouldn’t see it as “good” or “evil” because morally they would have no such reason to feel that way.
And btw, your argument about the animal kingdom doesn’t help you at all. In fact, it proves my point. You say there are very few instances of animals being evil, but that is only because they are irrelevant to you. If you were a fish and you were swimming along the river with your fish family and friends and all of a sudden one of them got eaten, you would find the predator “evil” as a fish even though as a human you wouldn’t find it evil at all and you wouldn’t give a shit. The way you describe evil is an absolute, and absolutes don’t exist in morality. Your idea of “evil” is nothing more than illusion.
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the21gamer wrote:
fuck that load of bullshit. i dont care if the enemy dies. not fighting back is stupid
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