If, like nearly all modern Western atheists, most believe that the physical universe is all there is, then it is really hard to see where objective moral laws could come from. What arrangement of matter, energy, and space-time could give rise to a moral obligation?
On 13th march 1996, a middle aged man walked into a primary school in the peaceful, happy town of Dunblane and shot 12 4-7 year old children and 2 teachers dead in cold blood. Hundreds of children were traumatised after witnessing the death of their friends. The man shot himself when police arrived. His reason? He had been denied a place as a Boy Scout master. If you do not think that is wrong you are not a person
Ian brady and his wife tortured, raped and killed 6 children before being arrested. Their second to last killing was a 10 year old girl, Lesley Ann Dowley. Bradies wife lured her from a fairground, into a barren area. There Brady forced her to strip and pose, gagged, for photographs. He then beat and raped her. The couple recorded a 16 minute tape of them torturing and taunting her. In the tape she cried for her mother, screaming in pain, and begged them to let her go home. The tape, when played in the trial, caused grown police officers to break down and cry. If you think that is justifiable, you are not a human being, you are an animal, and you deserve to be put down
STR wrote:
On 13th march 1996, a middle aged man walked into a primary school in the peaceful, happy town of Dunblane and shot 12 4-7 year old children and 2 teachers dead in cold blood. Hundreds of children were traumatised after witnessing the death of their friends. The man shot himself when police arrived. His reason? He had been denied a place as a Boy Scout master. If you do not think that is wrong you are not a person
Obviously the guy who did it did not find it wrong. That is why he did it. Morals are easily manipulated. People are being killed for having different beliefs in the middle east, and we think that if they dont think that is wrong, they are not humans, however, they think the exact opposite as us. There are no morals in this world. What is going to stop a human from killing someone before civilization started? Nothing. Because we formed government, we were able to put things in order, and because we as humans are used to having these restrictions, we think these morals actually eist, while in reality, when you look at how laws change from country to country, and when you see there is no base for morals, the tower falls. It is that simple.
STR wrote:
On 13th march 1996, a middle aged man walked into a primary school in the peaceful, happy town of Dunblane and shot 12 4-7 year old children and 2 teachers dead in cold blood. Hundreds of children were traumatised after witnessing the death of their friends. The man shot himself when police arrived. His reason? He had been denied a place as a Boy Scout master. If you do not think that is wrong you are not a person
Obviously the guy who did it did not find it wrong. That is why he did it. Morals are easily manipulated. People are being killed for having different beliefs in the middle east, and we think that if they dont think that is wrong, they are not humans, however, they think the exact opposite as us. There are no morals in this world. What is going to stop a human from killing someone before civilization started? Nothing. Because we formed government, we were able to put things in order, and because we as humans are used to having these restrictions, we think these morals actually eist, while in reality, when you look at how laws change from country to country, and when you see there is no base for morals, the tower falls. It is that simple.
You, Sir, Are a fag and a sick person. Go to those children and tell them their friends deaths were justifiable. Nihilists obviously are broken people, and emos too. Try looking on the bright side for once, and try to be happy.
STR wrote:
On 13th march 1996, a middle aged man walked into a primary school in the peaceful, happy town of Dunblane and shot 12 4-7 year old children and 2 teachers dead in cold blood. Hundreds of children were traumatised after witnessing the death of their friends. The man shot himself when police arrived. His reason? He had been denied a place as a Boy Scout master. If you do not think that is wrong you are not a person
Obviously the guy who did it did not find it wrong. That is why he did it. Morals are easily manipulated. People are being killed for having different beliefs in the middle east, and we think that if they dont think that is wrong, they are not humans, however, they think the exact opposite as us. There are no morals in this world. What is going to stop a human from killing someone before civilization started? Nothing. Because we formed government, we were able to put things in order, and because we as humans are used to having these restrictions, we think these morals actually eist, while in reality, when you look at how laws change from country to country, and when you see there is no base for morals, the tower falls. It is that simple.
You, Sir, Are a fag and a sick person. Go to those children and tell them their friends deaths were justifiable. Nihilists obviously are broken people, and emos too. Try looking on the bright side for once, and try to be happy.
Calling me a fag does nothing but make you look like less of a decent human being.
I don’t think what happened was right, but there are certain to be others who think it was.
I look at the bright side all the time. I used to be very depressed years ago, but not now. I have friends, am studying therapy, and am one of the nice guys in the school.
STR wrote:
On 13th march 1996, a middle aged man walked into a primary school in the peaceful, happy town of Dunblane and shot 12 4-7 year old children and 2 teachers dead in cold blood. Hundreds of children were traumatised after witnessing the death of their friends. The man shot himself when police arrived. His reason? He had been denied a place as a Boy Scout master. If you do not think that is wrong you are not a person
Obviously the guy who did it did not find it wrong. That is why he did it. Morals are easily manipulated. People are being killed for having different beliefs in the middle east, and we think that if they dont think that is wrong, they are not humans, however, they think the exact opposite as us. There are no morals in this world. What is going to stop a human from killing someone before civilization started? Nothing. Because we formed government, we were able to put things in order, and because we as humans are used to having these restrictions, we think these morals actually eist, while in reality, when you look at how laws change from country to country, and when you see there is no base for morals, the tower falls. It is that simple.
You, Sir, Are a fag and a sick person. Go to those children and tell them their friends deaths were justifiable. Nihilists obviously are broken people, and emos too. Try looking on the bright side for once, and try to be happy.
Calling me a fag does nothing but make you look like less of a decent human being.
I don’t think what happened was right, but there are certain to be others who think it was.
I look at the bright side all the time. I used to be very depressed years ago, but not now. I have friends, am studying therapy, and am one of the nice guys in the school.
It is time to grow up kid.
Hmm, patronising me over the internet, how sad, why do you assume im a kid?
STR wrote:
On 13th march 1996, a middle aged man walked into a primary school in the peaceful, happy town of Dunblane and shot 12 4-7 year old children and 2 teachers dead in cold blood. Hundreds of children were traumatised after witnessing the death of their friends. The man shot himself when police arrived. His reason? He had been denied a place as a Boy Scout master. If you do not think that is wrong you are not a person
Obviously the guy who did it did not find it wrong. That is why he did it. Morals are easily manipulated. People are being killed for having different beliefs in the middle east, and we think that if they dont think that is wrong, they are not humans, however, they think the exact opposite as us. There are no morals in this world. What is going to stop a human from killing someone before civilization started? Nothing. Because we formed government, we were able to put things in order, and because we as humans are used to having these restrictions, we think these morals actually eist, while in reality, when you look at how laws change from country to country, and when you see there is no base for morals, the tower falls. It is that simple.
You, Sir, Are a fag and a sick person. Go to those children and tell them their friends deaths were justifiable. Nihilists obviously are broken people, and emos too. Try looking on the bright side for once, and try to be happy.
Calling me a fag does nothing but make you look like less of a decent human being.
I don’t think what happened was right, but there are certain to be others who think it was.
I look at the bright side all the time. I used to be very depressed years ago, but not now. I have friends, am studying therapy, and am one of the nice guys in the school.
It is time to grow up kid.
Hmm, patronising me over the internet, how sad, why do you assume im a kid?
Because you act and speak like one. You are acting immature. Hint: You called me a fag. Only kids call people fags to insult them. Too bad for you.
STR wrote:
On 13th march 1996, a middle aged man walked into a primary school in the peaceful, happy town of Dunblane and shot 12 4-7 year old children and 2 teachers dead in cold blood. Hundreds of children were traumatised after witnessing the death of their friends. The man shot himself when police arrived. His reason? He had been denied a place as a Boy Scout master. If you do not think that is wrong you are not a person
Obviously the guy who did it did not find it wrong. That is why he did it. Morals are easily manipulated. People are being killed for having different beliefs in the middle east, and we think that if they dont think that is wrong, they are not humans, however, they think the exact opposite as us. There are no morals in this world. What is going to stop a human from killing someone before civilization started? Nothing. Because we formed government, we were able to put things in order, and because we as humans are used to having these restrictions, we think these morals actually eist, while in reality, when you look at how laws change from country to country, and when you see there is no base for morals, the tower falls. It is that simple.
You, Sir, Are a fag and a sick person. Go to those children and tell them their friends deaths were justifiable. Nihilists obviously are broken people, and emos too. Try looking on the bright side for once, and try to be happy.
Calling me a fag does nothing but make you look like less of a decent human being.
I don’t think what happened was right, but there are certain to be others who think it was.
I look at the bright side all the time. I used to be very depressed years ago, but not now. I have friends, am studying therapy, and am one of the nice guys in the school.
It is time to grow up kid.
Hmm, patronising me over the internet, how sad, why do you assume im a kid?
Because you act and speak like one. You are acting immature. Hint: You called me a fag. Only kids call people fags to insult them. Too bad for you.
You do know that you are a nerd, don’t you? I dont care if you think i act like a kid, this is the internet, not life. And according to your viewpoint everything is subjective, so you are in no position to judge me a kid from the language I use. ( you should be able to work this one out for urself)
As sick as it may seem, Petrofsky is pretty much right. It is subjective to opinion.
Many people may see that killing in such a way is wrong, but how many people, out of that group, would see killing the murderer wrong? The group suddenly splits there.
Personally, I feel unnatural killing is wrong, (natural being a lion killing a deer for food, for example) yet that does not make it a universal moral. That’s my belief.
(GODDAMNIT NEREVAR THIS IS TWICE TODAY! Capitals utilized for ultimate frustration. )
STR wrote:
On 13th march 1996, a middle aged man walked into a primary school in the peaceful, happy town of Dunblane and shot 12 4-7 year old children and 2 teachers dead in cold blood. Hundreds of children were traumatised after witnessing the death of their friends. The man shot himself when police arrived. His reason? He had been denied a place as a Boy Scout master. If you do not think that is wrong you are not a person
Obviously the guy who did it did not find it wrong. That is why he did it. Morals are easily manipulated. People are being killed for having different beliefs in the middle east, and we think that if they dont think that is wrong, they are not humans, however, they think the exact opposite as us. There are no morals in this world. What is going to stop a human from killing someone before civilization started? Nothing. Because we formed government, we were able to put things in order, and because we as humans are used to having these restrictions, we think these morals actually eist, while in reality, when you look at how laws change from country to country, and when you see there is no base for morals, the tower falls. It is that simple.
You, Sir, Are a fag and a sick person. Go to those children and tell them their friends deaths were justifiable. Nihilists obviously are broken people, and emos too. Try looking on the bright side for once, and try to be happy.
Calling me a fag does nothing but make you look like less of a decent human being.
I don’t think what happened was right, but there are certain to be others who think it was.
I look at the bright side all the time. I used to be very depressed years ago, but not now. I have friends, am studying therapy, and am one of the nice guys in the school.
It is time to grow up kid.
Hmm, patronising me over the internet, how sad, why do you assume im a kid?
Because you act and speak like one. You are acting immature. Hint: You called me a fag. Only kids call people fags to insult them. Too bad for you.
You do know that you are a nerd, don’t you? I dont care if you think i act like a kid, this is the internet, not life. And according to your viewpoint everything is subjective, so you are in no position to judge me a kid from the language I use. ( you should be able to work this one out for urself)
Game, Set, Match...
Haha, What makes you think I am a nerd? I am no where near one. I only come here when I am bored.
I am calling you a kid because you act like one in MY eyes. This is something you don’t understand. I have my own viewpoints, you have yours. We can express our side if we want to.
Tyreaus wrote:
As sick as it may seem, Petrofsky is pretty much right. It is subjective to opinion.
Many people may see that killing in such a way is wrong, but how many people, out of that group, would see killing the murderer wrong? The group suddenly splits there.
Personally, I feel unnatural killing is wrong, (natural being a lion killing a deer for food, for example) yet that does not make it a universal moral. That’s my belief.
(GODDAMNIT NEREVAR THIS IS TWICE TODAY! Capitals utilized for ultimate frustration. )
Anyways. I believe things like killing is bad/evil/whatever you wan to call it. However, one cannot deny the logical idea that it’s all up to people as individuals.
People in other parts of the world may seem it fine or less evil to kill someone then how many people in todays society perceive it.
--- I by the power of Truth, while living, have conquered the Universe
Lol, I don’t know why you think “nerd” is suppose to be an insulting word. It’s the “nerds” that run this world buddy. It’s a “nerd” that built the computer you’re using to enter this forum, also created by a nerd, and antagonize people that have different opinions than you by calling them “nerd” for whatever reason....
Do yourself a favor STR, stay in school, pay attention, and maybe, sometimes take the subject out of the classroom and research something for yourself.
P.S. Douche-baggery, while common, is not readily excepted in the Religion forum. Use proper social skills and, maybe, someone will listen.
Khorib wrote:
Lol, I don’t know why you think “nerd” is suppose to be an insulting word. It’s the “nerds” that run this world buddy. It’s a “nerd” that built the computer you’re using to enter this forum, also created by a nerd, and antagonize people that have different opinions than you by calling them “nerd” for whatever reason....
Do yourself a favor STR, stay in school, pay attention, and maybe, sometimes take the subject out of the classroom and research something for yourself.
P.S. Douche-baggery, while common, is not readily excepted in the Religion forum. Use proper social skills and, maybe, someone will listen.
Watchman wrote:
If, like nearly all modern Western atheists, most believe that the physical universe is all there is, then it is really hard to see where objective moral laws could come from. What arrangement of matter, energy, and space-time could give rise to a moral obligation?
How about evolution? Genetics? Survival?
It’s not that hard to imagine it. In nature, survival is the key. Animals who can adapt are able to survive and pass down their traits and the ones who are weak die off and their traits disappear. Humans are very social animals. Imagine when humans have first risen, and a group of humans have just killed a mammoth and are splitting the food. Now, one of the humans could easily kill the other and steal their share of meat. However, do you think it would be more likely to survive in the long run by killing everyone and stealing the meat, or by continuing to help eachother out for future hunts?
STR wrote:
Ian brady and his wife tortured, raped and killed 6 children before being arrested. Their second to last killing was a 10 year old girl, Lesley Ann Dowley. Bradies wife lured her from a fairground, into a barren area. There Brady forced her to strip and pose, gagged, for photographs. He then beat and raped her. The couple recorded a 16 minute tape of them torturing and taunting her. In the tape she cried for her mother, screaming in pain, and begged them to let her go home. The tape, when played in the trial, caused grown police officers to break down and cry. If you think that is justifiable, you are not a human being, you are an animal, and you deserve to be put down
You are a sick person who has clearly been brainwashed by the idea of “good and evil"
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