Luffy vs. Beast Boy

98supra wrote:
lol

Trackz wrote:
1. doing it faster than cybog ca nregister is super sonic though
2. but he hasnt been show nto be able to stretch his head t othat size has he?
3. you said he uses it to overcome ones will power, bb’s will power is the same in any form
4. no ddging light doesnt make yo ufaster than it, it jsut means you can travel fast. youre not covering the same distance as fast as whatever youre dodging, youre moving in a slight direction fast enough to avoid whatever is coming at you. unless you have on panel proof of luffy moving at light speed, then no he cant
5. writers have asid martian manhunter is more powerful than superman, do we just take taht at face value? its been said sentry stalemated galactus, its been said by writers that hulk can beat superman. on panel proof however overrides what the writers say, unlss you have luffy going at light speed then no he cant.
6. the fact she never moved from the spot and theres no proof she moved, we see her standing in that spot, we see a gun fired, we see her standing in the same spot with bullets behind her.
7. first luffy didnt dodge the canonball, and the link you showed was referring to modern weaponry not the 200 year old cannonballs used in one piece.
8. and how much one beast can destroy doesnt say anything for his will power....which as a domesticated beast obviously wasnt that high. if he does this against an actual character and not thugs i’ll concede

Itachi Uchiha wrote: why dont you use Enel chapter...???

unlinkedsaber wrote: What do you mean the Chapter where Luffy stomped an Island Busting Attack from Enel? Already tried that yet he’s still arguing strong about Beastboy having a chance to win.

unlinkedsaber wrote:
1. Just Being under a second doesn’t mean it’s close to supersonic speed.
Here are Calculations for speed during the earlier arcs of One Piece
http://forums.narutofan.com/showthread.php?t=184487&highlight=Muzzle+velocity
http://forums.narutofan.com/showthread.php?t=184491&highlight=Muzzle+velocity
He is actually calculating the Low end or the lowest speeds of the muzzle velocities of a cannon instead of the higher speeds. Meaning this is just a Low-end calculation of One Piece Speed.
2. He didn’t want to make his head that size when he was fighting Lucci, Giant head would have been useless against him. Which is why when the air Got to his chest he stopped it from going any higher and pushed it back down to his arms and legs.
3.It’s also a case of Strength
http://onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/Spirit_Energy
“However the reason they lose consciousness is because they are simply not ready (determined) or strong enough to stand up against the Spirit Energy."
4. So an object moving at you at 23.5 times the size of earth per second is coming at you from roughly 30 yards away and your not dodging at lightspeed? You do realize that makes absolutely no sense.
5. This isn’t just the writer this is the Author. Comparing what writers said is a mute point. On Panel proof overrides what the writers say? Where is the On Panel proof that shows Luffy being weaker than Zoro overriding what the Databook says..
Not to mention there are multiple versions of Superman some weak as dirt, others strong enough to move solar systems. Galactus is always starving and is seemingly never at 100 percent.
What did I tell you about Reaction Speed and the difference between Movement Speed...
I’ll repeat this again because it’s like it’s going out one ear and going out the other Nightmare Luffy beat OZ. The same Oz which stomped Zoro. An injured Zoro with broken bones DIRECTLY after the OZ fight was Faster than Light speed, Usopp was shocked that he could still move.
6.So are you saying she can phase now? You see her standing in the same spot after the bullets were fired. Is she supposed to stay down in a crouching position. I’ve already shown you what Bullet-timing is. Unless we can see her dodging bullets in Mid-Air then all you have is an assumption.
7.He reacted to the cannon ball after it was fired just like the the werewolf dude you described reacted to the bullet...
The muzzle velocity of earlier cannons were form 550 m/s-700 m/s http://forums.narutofan.com/showthread.php?t=392287&page=12
http://www.probertencyclopaedia.com/browse/FYC.HTM
“The Canon de 240 L Model 1884 fired a 240 mm calibre 140 kg high-explosive shell to a range of 17300 meters with a muzzle velocity of 575 meters-per-second. "
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ship/steam6.htm
“The 12-inch rifled cannon of the late 1800’s had a muzzle velocity of 2,300 foot-seconds. " Which is 701.4 m/s.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CulverinEven ones used 400 years(in 1400’s) earlier had a velocity of 480m/s

8. Have you tried taming a pitBull that already has a Master... They have plenty of will power plus as I already said before it also works if your not physically powerful enough to stand against it.

unlinkedsaber wrote: What do you mean the Chapter where Luffy stomped an Island Busting Attack from Enel? Already tried that yet he’s still arguing strong about Beastboy having a chance to win.

Trackz wrote: 1. kid flash even base speed line attack speed have always shown to be supersonic i nhis comics.
2. cyborgs armor has taken punches from superboy and yet when beast boy used the same tehcnique he shatter, so yo uhave no proof luffy could take that fast o f a stretch without brain trauma? and it has been shown that luffy is harmed by physical trauma, something like this should KO him or kill him.
3. Motobaro is still only a beast, this spirit power has never taken out an established character though. Also i nthe context taken it doesnt mean physcial power to stand up to the spirit energy it means spiritual strength, how would spiritual strength harm based on physical power? It also taken from wiki, no a reliable source.
4. for one thing the attacks were only at light speed, I again can show you heoes dodign bullets and closing in on their opponent, and once again that is zoros feat. unless you have luffy doing the same the point doesnt matter.
5. luffy has a diffent ability set, hes more durabl and stronger, that doesnt mean hes overall better than zoro. UNless you have scans of lufyf moving that fast then there is no proof.
6. zoro has a human structure and as said has had his bones broken in a fight while luffys cant take the same amount of damage seeing as his bones are rubber.
7. he breathed in, thats not dodging, and lluffy didnt dodge it after it was fired, everyone saw it fired and had time to run out of the way, not only that they warned luffy multiple times to move:
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/15/16/
everyone saw the canon fire the canonball and dove out of the way, luffy just chose to breathe while everyone moved. That says nothing for his reactio nspeed seeing as the canonwas fired far enoug haway everyone was able to clear the area.
8. wikipeia is written by people who know no more than yo uor I, it isnt written by officials or employees of the company so there word is just as good as mine. Wikipedia isnt to be taken over the Manga, which states no such thing.

Itachi Uchiha wrote:

stomp what...??? Luffy pwn enel and at that time luffy faster than lighting...

unlinkedsaber wrote:
1. That’s another fallacy Correlation Implies Causation{This type of argument claims that since A is associated with B, then A causes B.

Example: “Afterimages, blurry images, and speed lines usually are used in manga and comics to denote speed. Therefore, anything drawn with afterimages and blurry effects must be moving very fast."

This argument ignores the possibility that the said effects were added for some other reason, or that they are simply there to exaggerate the object’s movement rather than to imply vast supernatural speed.} You have no idea exactly how fast Flash was going. You don’t know if all his speed lines indicate whether he’s going Supersonic speed or slower than that.
2.This is another Proof by example fallacy {This type of fallacy involves someone citing one example of something as proof of a general rule.

Example: “Superman was tagged by Solomon Grundy, who is slow, therefore Superman can be tagged by anyone as fast or faster than Grundy."

The person ignores the fact that this could have been a statistical anomaly, and that it doesn’t necessarily hold true all the time.

Another example: “Deidara defeated the Sanbi Bijuu, therefore he will always win a fight against a Bijuu, even the full nine - tails Kyuubi."} and possibly a half truth fallacy.{ This is when someone presents a piece of evidence, but only presents some of it, ignoring critical factors that would cast the evidence in a whole different light, and would not necessarily support the person’s conclusion.

Example: “Galactus was beaten by Thor, therefore he can be easily beaten by anyone around or above Thor’s level”.

What the person in this example fails to mention is that Galactus was starving and severely weakened in this instance, and also that Thor was drawing extra power from Odin to attack him.} You leave out the fact that Superboy was considerably weaker at the ealier portions of his career during his stint with the teen titans.

Luffy had a mountain fall on top of him and tanked an island buster from Enel. By saying something like the size of a whale should kill him is ignoring these facts as well as his stretching ability as demonstrated in gear 3 seeing he could stretch a body part 4 to 5 times smaller than his head up to 40ft in length. Doing so is rather similar to a slippery slope fallacy{33. Slippery slope.

This argument says that if you accept one thing, the chances become more likely that another thing would happen, and the second thing would have negative consequences, so the first thing is wrong.} Your also ignoring the fact that Luffy has taken more damage than Beastboy could ever dish out.
3. If I ask you what you mean by established character and then you go and repeat established character with no description in your next response how exactly does that help explain your position.
That’s an equivocation fallacy { This is when someone uses two different meanings of a word to imply something that isn’t necessarily true.

Example: “In Bleach, Arrancars use the 'Sonido' speed technique. 'Sonido' means sound in Spanish, therefore Arrancars move at the speed of sound."

This argument assumes that the word sound in this context means the same as the speed of sound, when that is not necessarily true.}
You are using the definition of the word Spirit to imply that it is referring to spirit energy when the context cleary states “strong enough to stand up against the Spirit Energy”. In One Piece seemingly weaker characters lack the power to stand up to spirit energy as opposed to more powerful characters this correlation shows it has almost everything to do with your physical prowess and status. As I stated before if it has REFERENCES it’s legit. When an article doesn’t have sources detailing where it got it’s information that is when it becomes sketchy. You are also using yet another fallacy by making this claim agains wiki{Ad hominem

. This means “argument against the man, not the point”. It’s when you rebut an opponent’s argument by insulting them instead of their argument.

Example:

“Your argument is wrong because you’re a troll”.

Even if it is true that the person in question is known for trolling, it does not invalidate their argument, the argument must be considered on its own objective merits, no matter who or where it comes from.

NOTE: There is a difference between an ad hominem and a plain insult. Saying “Your arguments are wrong because you’re stupid” is an ad hominem, but simply saying “You’re stupid” is not a fallacy.} Just because Wikipedia have demonstrated instances of incorrect information doesn’t mean all there information is incorrect especially when they have references to back them up. You are basically generalizing that all information from wikipedia based on your history or others is incorrect.
4. Ignoring the evidence or facts does little to justify your claim. I’ve already stated Oz was faster and more powerful than Zoro which is why he was unable to beat him while Luffy was faster and more powerful than Oz which is why he could beat him. Zoro despite many injuries directly after the battle was going FTL. That not only proves Luffy is much faster than Zoro but makes Luffy FTL status on a far superior scale than Zoro. You are ignoring direct evidence. Until you show me that those heroes have actually bullet-timed then your point remains moot.
5. He is not more durable than Zoro seeing Zoro has tanked about as much damage as him. Stronger manga scans show that he is stronger, manga scans also show that Luffy is faster. There are scans of Luffy speedblitzing Oz the same OZ that speedblitzed Zoro. You are creating another fallacy {29. False dichotomy

. This is when someone claims that there are only a certain amount of options, and if all but one are false, then the other must be true. This ignores the possibility of other options.} By saying that because Luffy hasn’t demonstrated FTL speed 'in your book' that the only other option is that he can’t.
6. Zoro has taken more damage than Luffy currently because Kuma repelled all the injuries Luffy took from Oz onto him that would also include the injuries Zoro received from Oz as well as Kuma.
7. He was reacting to the bullet. When I asked you to read what it said I mean’t it. He stated “Do you think because of a cannon ball.. I’ll move a single inch?" Suggesting that he could have dodged and chose not to.
As I posted already a cannon ball could move over 700 m/s. You implied that it was coming from roughly 200 meters away meaning that the observers reaction times are close to bullet-timing.
8. Dude look at the REFERENCES. The REFERENCES TELL whether or not there speaking the truth. The link stated what chapter from the manga it got it’s information from.