| 05 Jul 2008 10:02 pm |
Agent of Chaos Rep: 54  Joined: 10 Aug 2005 Posts: 39,967 OFFLINE | Recently the U.S. Supreme court ruled it unconstitutional for the reasons of cruel and unusual punishment for the crime. This has sent an outburst for many disagreeing including Obama and McCain themselves and my state governor Bobby Jindal. Do you agree with the Supreme Court or the huge political figures. Yes for you agree with the Supreme Court’s Ruling and Nay for you don’t Agree with the Supreme Court’s ruling. ---
Capital Punishment for Convicted Rapists Ruled Unconstitutional: Agree? Nay It Isn't Unconstitutional *************** 60% (votes so far 3) Yes It's Unconstitutional ********** 40% (votes so far 2) I don't Know 0% Only registered users may vote.
 
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| 05 Jul 2008 10:03 pm |
Agent of Chaos Rep: 54Joined: 10 Aug 2005 Posts: 39,967 OFFLINE | I personally think it’s unconstitutional, because the crime doesn’t fit the punishment. We live in a world of justice and you can’t justify killing someone else for a crime when they have not done the same to another. I think the courts got it right, and I think the politicians are further proving why they think they are above the constitution. ---
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| 05 Jul 2008 10:03 pm |
Regular Rep: 12Joined: 19 Jun 2008 Posts: 561 OFFLINE | Kill them. ---
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| 05 Jul 2008 10:04 pm |
Agent of Chaos Rep: 54Joined: 10 Aug 2005 Posts: 39,967 OFFLINE | MOO555 wrote:
Kill them.
Why do you think that and why do think the Consitution would allow for that.
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| 05 Jul 2008 10:06 pm |
Regular Rep: 12Joined: 19 Jun 2008 Posts: 561 OFFLINE | Zucas wrote:
I personally think it’s unconstitutional, because the crime doesn’t fit the punishment. We live in a world of justice and you can’t justify killing someone else for a crime when they have not done the same to another. I think the courts got it right, and I think the politicians are further proving why they think they are above the constitution.
So we’re going to rape them since that’s the only justified punishment?
Rape is just as bad if not worse than death. It can ruin someone’s life until the day they die as well as the child’s. It has lasting impact and damage that can be impossible to deal with.
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| 05 Jul 2008 10:08 pm |
Agent of Chaos Rep: 54Joined: 10 Aug 2005 Posts: 39,967 OFFLINE | No we are not going to rape them. I’d think a punishment that would fit the crime would be castration.
Yes rape is an awful thing but it isn’t as bad as killing someone. You haven’t taken away someone’s life. YOu may have ruined but they didn’t take it away. Thus how could you justify taking away theirs. Yes there scum and all this other stuff, but it isn’t justice to kill them if they haven’t killed another. Personally I say castrate them and let them rot in jail for their lives. That’s probably a worse punishment than death anyways and more than they deserve. ---
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| 05 Jul 2008 10:13 pm |
Regular Rep: 12Joined: 19 Jun 2008 Posts: 561 OFFLINE | Zucas wrote:
No we are not going to rape them. I’d think a punishment that would fit the crime would be castration.
Yes rape is an awful thing but it isn’t as bad as killing someone. You haven’t taken away someone’s life. YOu may have ruined but they didn’t take it away. Thus how could you justify taking away theirs. Yes there scum and all this other stuff, but it isn’t justice to kill them if they haven’t killed another. Personally I say castrate them and let them rot in jail for their lives. That’s probably a worse punishment than death anyways and more than they deserve.
We don’t have the money to do that and this is about justice, not revenge even though I love the idea of castrating them and letting them rot.
Sometimes it’s better to be dead than alive. A life of torture is worse. Their life is ruined and beyond repair. Rape does that.
The crime is worse than murdering someone. It’s like sucking the life out of someone and leaving them an empty shell.
It’s safer to have them dead anyways because they’re all being released because we have no room or money to take care of them and give them free food, bed, shelter, and recreation. Yes, they get recreation, which they don’t deserve. They don’t deserve any of that.
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| 05 Jul 2008 10:17 pm |
Agent of Chaos Rep: 54Joined: 10 Aug 2005 Posts: 39,967 OFFLINE | I’m sorry I love arguing but there is no reason to speak on ignorance. Whether you know it or not, it costs a hell of a lot more to put someone to death than keep them in jail for life.
Capital punishment is so expensive mainly due to the system of appeals they have to go through just to put them on death row. Approximately it takes about 3-4 million per death row inmate on average. With some of the highest being close to 40 million. While keeping them in prison for their entire lifes hardly costs a fraction of that. If we seriously allowed rapists the highest penalty of captial punishment, then the taxpayers would be bankrupt. ---
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| 05 Jul 2008 10:21 pm |
Regular Rep: 12Joined: 19 Jun 2008 Posts: 561 OFFLINE | Zucas wrote:
I’m sorry I love arguing but there is no reason to speak on ignorance. Whether you know it or not, it costs a hell of a lot more to put someone to death than keep them in jail for life.
Capital punishment is so expensive mainly due to the system of appeals they have to go through just to put them on death row. Approximately it takes about 3-4 million per death row inmate on average. With some of the highest being close to 40 million. While keeping them in prison for their entire lifes hardly costs a fraction of that. If we seriously allowed rapists the highest penalty of captial punishment, then the taxpayers would be bankrupt.
You should do your research.
In the short term it does take more money but in the long run it takes far more money to keep them alive including court, etc.
It actually saves us money.
That and there’s no room in the jails. They are all being released and getting choices to wear tracers on their ankles, which can easily be removed and have been removed before.
They’re even finding places for rapists to live but there is no place for them to live because nobody wants to live by one for good reason.
Not only that, child rapists and molesters are being released too and are found homes. Some live near parks or schools, which is dangerous.
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| 05 Jul 2008 10:23 pm |
Regular Rep: 12Joined: 19 Jun 2008 Posts: 561 OFFLINE | I forgot to mention our “humane” ways of killing people are jacking up the cost too.
We should just line them up and shoot them. A bullet costs a lot less. ---
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| 05 Jul 2008 10:24 pm |
Agent of Chaos Rep: 54Joined: 10 Aug 2005 Posts: 39,967 OFFLINE | No as I said I will not argue with ignorance on this. I did a project on this. I know everything there is to know about Capital Punishment vs Life In Prison. It is not cheaper in any termn. Capital Punishment takes more in the legal system and that is what makes it more expensive. The more people we put on death row, the more money we lose. I suggest you do you research and find out how right I am then come back and argue that point.
AS I said completely understand that rapists are the worst kinda scum. They didn’t kill someone but they ruined their life. Why not ruin there’s as well. Castrate them and put them in jail forever. They’ll never hurt anyone ever again and they’ll never have a life of their own. ---
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| 05 Jul 2008 10:27 pm |
I'm going back. Rep: 104 Joined: 07 Jan 2008 Posts: 36,294 OFFLINE | I would not kill them, unless they had committed any degree of homicide. Other than that, just leave them in prison, or do what Zucas has said, and go with Castration. If they have not killed, then they should not be killed. | |
| 05 Jul 2008 10:31 pm |
Regular Rep: 12Joined: 19 Jun 2008 Posts: 561 OFFLINE | Zucas wrote:
No as I said I will not argue with ignorance on this. I did a project on this. I know everything there is to know about Capital Punishment vs Life In Prison. It is not cheaper in any termn. Capital Punishment takes more in the legal system and that is what makes it more expensive. The more people we put on death row, the more money we lose. I suggest you do you research and find out how right I am then come back and argue that point.
AS I said completely understand that rapists are the worst kinda scum. They didn’t kill someone but they ruined their life. Why not ruin there’s as well. Castrate them and put them in jail forever. They’ll never hurt anyone ever again and they’ll never have a life of their own.
I did a project on this too and I did a lot of research. I had near 200 pages I turned in on this. I read through nearly all of it. If I still had those pages I would show you. I had sources from judges, cases, police, officials, juries, etc. It’s not me that needs to do the research. I even had a percentage of people’s taxes that were going towards keeping someone in prison.
I did say that we could drop the humane killing and just shoot them. That’s part of why the costs are high.
Your information is only based on half the story.
I already said there is no room for them in jails. The jails are crowded. That’s why they’re being released.
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| 05 Jul 2008 10:34 pm |
Agent of Chaos Rep: 54Joined: 10 Aug 2005 Posts: 39,967 OFFLINE | As I said I’m not going to argue it with you.
I mean I don’t know where you got your research from but it’s not correct. I mean the extreme costs of capital punishment is the reason that so few people are on death row anymore.
And yes a firing squad is nice, but unfortunately most states rule that as cruel and unusual punishment. It can only be done if requested. ---
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| 05 Jul 2008 10:35 pm |
King of the Gamer Army Rep: 38 Joined: 22 Nov 2005 Posts: 14,674 OFFLINE | I would rather pay to have them killed than pay for their food and shelter. ---
the21gamer wrote:
ramunematt wrote:
Did you hear me? I’m a bigger better pussy than you’ll ever be.
Wtf...
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| 05 Jul 2008 10:37 pm |
King of the Gamer Army Rep: 38Joined: 22 Nov 2005 Posts: 14,674 OFFLINE | Zucas wrote:
As I said I’m not going to argue it with you.
I mean I don’t know where you got your research from but it’s not correct. I mean the extreme costs of capital punishment is the reason that so few people are on death row anymore.
And yes a firing squad is nice, but unfortunately most states rule that as cruel and unusual punishment. It can only be done if requested.
Just change the rules. It’s our retardness that made it optional in the first place.
As for the costs, I read something on that. I think you had the wording wrong because I remember clearly it was how Moo put it. It costs more in the short term because of the case but in the long run it’s cheaper to kill someone. Then there’s inflation and stuff to add in. I did a debate on this.
the21gamer wrote:
ramunematt wrote:
Did you hear me? I’m a bigger better pussy than you’ll ever be.
Wtf...
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| 05 Jul 2008 10:39 pm |
Agent of Chaos Rep: 54Joined: 10 Aug 2005 Posts: 39,967 OFFLINE | Incarceration really isn’t that expensive at all per inmate. Especially if they aren’t on death row. REally the main costs of incarceration comes from security, which can’t really be measured per inmate. ---
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| 05 Jul 2008 10:42 pm |
King of the Gamer Army Rep: 38Joined: 22 Nov 2005 Posts: 14,674 OFFLINE | I’m trying to find where I read the information.
I know both choices are costly but I remember that these comparisons of cost exclude a lot of things and only really include the trials. i have to find it though. ---
the21gamer wrote:
ramunematt wrote:
Did you hear me? I’m a bigger better pussy than you’ll ever be.
Wtf...
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| 05 Jul 2008 10:45 pm |
Agent of Chaos Rep: 54Joined: 10 Aug 2005 Posts: 39,967 OFFLINE | The numerous appeals capital punishment convictees get I think is 7 max. And they are all extremely expensive and drawn out. ---
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| 05 Jul 2008 10:51 pm |
King of the Gamer Army Rep: 38Joined: 22 Nov 2005 Posts: 14,674 OFFLINE | For now I’ll give you that it is more expensive since I’m trying to find the source. I even saw charts too.
But there are things we can do to reduce the costs greatly.
In the end I would prefer to pay for their death than their life in prison. I don’t want to pay to keep someone alive who is scum.
That and I find castraion, etc just as if not more cruel and unusual than death.
What fits the crime is castration and then desertion on an a barren island with no food, water, and resources of any kind. They can die a slow death.
But that is cruel and unusual these days. ---
the21gamer wrote:
ramunematt wrote:
Did you hear me? I’m a bigger better pussy than you’ll ever be.
Wtf...
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