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11 Jul 2008 06:40 am
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Kyle Knight wrote: The same Weiss who can just let bullet’s bounce of him when Cloud get’s shot right through the chest in AC yea he is SOOO much more durable lol.

Sephiroth CC?...that form was kinda lame and Weiss is ubove 1st Class dude so are the Restrictor’s who eat 1st for breackfast please keep up Buster CC is nothing on Base Weiss in any department.

What’s funny is Weiss was ubove the Restrictor’s who owned 1st Class like little Bitch’s in one night, i dident say Zack>Cloud i was saying Cloud couldent beat an army of Zack in one night hell at all! (and Zack wasn’t the best 1st Class) So Weiss would own them both with little problem.

Base Weiss solidly owned Blood Burst Rosso and Arch Azul Sephiroth was actually struggleing against Genesis nevermind Angeal and remember this was 3 Rosso all of witch are warp speeder’s and Arch Azul is much stronger as he is an Armoured beast yet Weiss beat them and said it wasn’t even a warm up.


Where do you get that Seph struggled against Genesis and Angeal? He looked like he was having a pretty easy time to me.

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When Sephiroth was being forced back by Genesis he looked kinda pissed to me hence why he wen’t on the offensive plus they stalmate at the end of that fight neither gaining any ground and im sure it say’s somewere Gen is his Equal?

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The same Weiss who can just let bullet’s bounce of him when Cloud get’s shot right through the chest in AC yea he is SOOO much more durable lol.

Actually, he was shot with MATERIA BULLETS, not REGULAR bullets, PLUS his endurance levels were VERY low, you know the whole fighting everybody and using all your spirit energy part. Cloud soared through a city buster, so yeah, and lets not forget that Weiss is not even the strongest SOLDIER lol.

Sephiroth CC?...that form was kinda lame and Weiss is ubove 1st Class dude so are the Restrictor’s who eat 1st for breackfast please keep up Buster CC is nothing on Base Weiss in any department.

Are you purposefully ignoring official statments again? What the fuck has Base Weiss done? Oh that’s it, get pwned by Vincent, controled by fucking Hojo. Yeah he’s badass. You said you wouldn’t ignore official statements but you have, Genesis and Sephiroth are STATED to be the cream da la cream.


What’s funny is Weiss was ubove the Restrictor’s who owned 1st Class like little Bitch’s in one night, i dident say Zack>Cloud i was saying Cloud couldent beat an army of Zack in one night hell at all! (and Zack wasn’t the best 1st Class) So Weiss would own them both with little problem.

Oh so you are saying that Sephiroth and Genesis are regular 1st Class SOLDIERS? lol get over yourself ok Kyle, Avalanche soloed Midgar in one night, your point, that doesn’t make Tifa > Base Sephiroth because Sephiroth and Genesis is well above any SOLDIER, including Weiss.

Base Weiss solidly owned Blood Burst Rosso and Arch Azul Sephiroth was actually struggleing against Genesis nevermind Angeal and remember this was 3 Rosso all of witch are warp speeder’s and Arch Azul is much stronger as he is an Armoured beast yet Weiss beat them and said it wasn’t even a warm up.

No he wasn’t struggling, stop lying ok, he was sparing. And that was it. Sephiroth and Geneisis are stated to be above them so stfu and stop your complaining, I don’t give a shit what you say when it’s contradicted by the creators. And FYI Sephiroth lolwtf pwned Zack who would CURB stomp Rosso any day.

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Kyle Knight wrote: When Sephiroth was being forced back by Genesis he looked kinda pissed to me hence why he wen’t on the offensive plus they stalmate at the end of that fight neither gaining any ground and im sure it say’s somewere Gen is his Equal?

Sephiroth kicked Zack’s ass, who kicked Genesis' ass, who was on even ground with Genesis.

Sephiroth > Zack > Genesis = Angeal

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Genesis is actually on par with Sephiroth. Genesis is just not as composed as Sephiroth, and that is why he loses.

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Buster Sword wrote: Genesis is actually on par with Sephiroth. Genesis is just not as composed as Sephiroth, and that is why he loses.

At least in CC they were equal. Not sure about the DoC time period if Genesis is actually stronger than he was or not.

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He’s probably second to Sephiroth now.

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11 Jul 2008 06:25 pm
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The way I see it, end-of-AC Cloud and DoC Cloud, is in the same level of Pre-Nibel Sephiroth.
But I think Weiss is superior to even Pre-Nibel Sephiroth. Why? Because his fight with Azul and Rosso was much more impressive than Sephiroth’s fight with Genesis.

And there is no concrete evidence that Genesis and Sephiroth are superior to Weiss. Yes, both of them are equal, and Sephiroth is known as the strongest and greatest SOLDIER ever(meaning that Genesis is that too), but you have to remember that a few people in the world knew about Weiss' existence.
And you have to remember that Weiss wasn’t really a member of SOLDIER in the first place. Deep-Ground is related to SOLDIER, but the two groups are not the same.

Another point, is that Weiss received Genesis' genes while in the womb. Sephiroth received Jenova’s cells in the womb, and in the end(by the time of FFVII and AC), he was even more powerful than Jenova itself.
By that logic, Weiss should be stronger than Genesis, like Seph was to Jenova.
And lets not forget the experiments made on Weiss' body in Deep-Ground, to transform him in the perfect warrior.

That’s why I believe Cloud is at the same level of Pre-Nibel Sephiroth, but would lose to Weiss anyway.


But that’s just my opinion.

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Buster Sword wrote: He’s probably second to Sephiroth now.

We’ll have to wait and see, He has J-cells now and apperently Angeal had full control over Jenova’s power when he was alive so Genesis could very well have some of those nifty powers as Seph does. Hey, they never said anything about not creating a character EQUAL to Sephiroth.

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The same Weiss who can just let bullet’s bounce of him when Cloud get’s shot right through the chest in AC yea he is SOOO much more durable lol.

Actually, he was shot with MATERIA BULLETS, not REGULAR bullets, PLUS his endurance levels were VERY low, you know the whole fighting everybody and using all your spirit energy part. Cloud soared through a city buster, so yeah, and lets not forget that Weiss is not even the strongest SOLDIER lol.

Sephiroth CC?...that form was kinda lame and Weiss is ubove 1st Class dude so are the Restrictor’s who eat 1st for breackfast please keep up Buster CC is nothing on Base Weiss in any department.

Are you purposefully ignoring official statments again? What the fuck has Base Weiss done? Oh that’s it, get pwned by Vincent, controled by fucking Hojo. Yeah he’s badass. You said you wouldn’t ignore official statements but you have, Genesis and Sephiroth are STATED to be the cream da la cream.


What’s funny is Weiss was ubove the Restrictor’s who owned 1st Class like little Bitch’s in one night, i dident say Zack>Cloud i was saying Cloud couldent beat an army of Zack in one night hell at all! (and Zack wasn’t the best 1st Class) So Weiss would own them both with little problem.

Oh so you are saying that Sephiroth and Genesis are regular 1st Class SOLDIERS? lol get over yourself ok Kyle, Avalanche soloed Midgar in one night, your point, that doesn’t make Tifa > Base Sephiroth because Sephiroth and Genesis is well above any SOLDIER, including Weiss.

Base Weiss solidly owned Blood Burst Rosso and Arch Azul Sephiroth was actually struggleing against Genesis nevermind Angeal and remember this was 3 Rosso all of witch are warp speeder’s and Arch Azul is much stronger as he is an Armoured beast yet Weiss beat them and said it wasn’t even a warm up.

No he wasn’t struggling, stop lying ok, he was sparing. And that was it. Sephiroth and Geneisis are stated to be above them so stfu and stop your complaining, I don’t give a shit what you say when it’s contradicted by the creators. And FYI Sephiroth lolwtf pwned Zack who would CURB stomp Rosso any day.


1. Weiss is > SOLIDER 1st Class? what’s your point, Cloud was shot by materia bullet’s? Weiss was shot by the Death penalty big differance.

Was Cloud said to have a near indestructable body hence endurance go’s to Weiss for that reason alone.

2. Weiss is the strongest Tsveit witch > Solider they were play thing’s to the Restrictor’s who are like less than shit to Weiss he even challenged one to a fight while still being chained down (and these guy’s tore the best in Solider apart in one night for fun).

Think of Solider’s as pre DG the warm up before something higher their essentually nothing by comparison Zack beating Genesis is kinda a blow to Sephiroth and Gen CC as he was only just premoted to 1st in CC, and Gen is = Sephiroth.

To further note Weiss’s power you should know he is an evolution of the G-Project you know what evolution is right?, that already put’s Weiss>Genesis you know.

Weiss loseing to Vincent envokeing the power of Chaos you mean the one who could wipe out all life on the earth yea that’s SOOO embaressing Buster... the fact he can level with Chaos in Omega Form is impressive enough as he tore through Omega’s barrior and stoped it’s accent, plus WHAT HAS Weiss done!, he owned without breaking a sweat 3 Blood Burst Rosso (like Zack could even do that she fought Cloud and even had him fighting Feircely in DoC) plus Arch Azul who Chaos had to beat dude (and he said he hadent even warmed up) that’s impressive enough isn’t it?, plus he had the Restictor’s in fear of him and they were Immencely powerful (all being ubove 1st).

Yea Gen and Seph are the best 1st Class Solider’s that’s why Angeal was stated as superior as the true perfect test and not Genesis who =Sephiroth... and Zack kicked Gen’s ass literaly, who fucking care’s Restrictor’s play with First Class even the 13th brigade were better than 1st and their the one’s who got owned by the Restrictor’s lmao, Weiss wouldent even bother with 1st (im sure it’s stated you need to be 1st class to even get in DG nevermind become a Tsveit) Plus to even become a Tsveit you get to challenge the best Weiss who is their leader and so called Emporer of Solider so Weiss has defeated everyone in DG heck Weiss dident even know who the fuck Genesis was that’s how important 1st Class hero’s are to DG when everyone in Migar knew Genesis...

3. No no no Sephiroth and Genesis are brilliant 1st Class the best even but lil old Zack sure gave them one hell of a run for their money without their impressive argumentation’s (Zack not being the best in Solider), im just saying many pwn 1st class it isn’t a big deal really, So Avolaunch soloed Migar 1st class solider’s....erm go them that’s quight impressive NOT! 1st is shit and 1st were like almost completely disbanded come FFVII anyway.

4. Im not makeing shit up Sephiroth was struggleing against Gen as they are ment to be = so if Gen was trying Seph was clearly trying as they stalemate, if you don’t care what i say don’t debate with me lol were douse it say Sephiroth over Weiss lol their’s nothing wrong with haveing ='s in FFVII and Weiss is over Gen he evolved from the G project by haveing his gene’s implanted in him at birth like in the Jeanova project with Sephiroth...Angeal was over Gen he also had G-Cell’s implanted at birth Zack was over Gen as he ass raped him in a fair fight, Sephiroth was over Gen as he beat Zack so not everything is clean from statement’s is it (the whole Gen’s equal to Sephiroth statement is questionable, mabe now he actually has J-G Cell’s but before hand nahhh that’s why i question document’s if their work surggest’s different).

Fact is Weiss>Cloud no PIS CIS shit witch is what this topic is truely about

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1. Weiss is > SOLIDER 1st Class? what’s your point, Cloud was shot by materia bullet’s? Weiss was shot by the Death penalty big differance.

Omega Weiss got shot by Death Penalty. And GUESS WHAT? He was in pain as it BLASTED HIM AWAY.
Weiss IS SOLDIER, and he is NOT the best.
Was Cloud said to have a near indestructable body hence endurance go’s to Weiss for that reason alone.


Endurance is stamina. Sephiroth is said to be the strongest but you don’t believe it. LOL double standard.
2. Weiss is the strongest Tsveit witch > Solider they were play thing’s to the Restrictor’s who are like less than shit to Weiss he even challenged one to a fight while still being chained down (and these guy’s tore the best in Solider apart in one night for fun).

“Even amongs the elite of SOLDIER, Sephiroth is known to be the best." This was rectonned to be equal to Genesis, Weiss IS SOLDIER, GET OVER IT. Resctrictors beat Sephirioth? Are regualr 1st Class SOLDIERS on Sephiroth’s level? Avalanche tore down the WHOLE of Midgar, your point?
Think of Solider’s as pre DG the warm up before something higher their essentually nothing by comparison Zack beating Genesis is kinda a blow to Sephiroth and Gen CC as he was only just premoted to 1st in CC, and Gen is = Sephiroth.


Stop inventing bullshit, DG were a part of SOLDIER, end of story. They awlays were, it’s just the rest of the world didn’t know about them, but Shinra did. Actually I gave a perfectly good reason why Genesis lost to Zack, is Genesis as compossed as Sephiroth when fighting, and what the heck are you talking about Sephiroth curb stomped Zack.
To further note Weiss’s power you should know he is an evolution of the G-Project you know what evolution is right?, that already put’s Weiss>Genesis you know.

Cloud is an evolution of Sephiroth, I guess he’s above Sephiroth too then? Hahaha nice try.
Weiss loseing to Vincent envokeing the power of Chaos you mean the one who could wipe out all life on the earth yea that’s SOOO embaressing Buster... the fact he can level with Chaos in Omega Form is impressive enough as he tore through Omega’s barrior and stoped it’s accent, plus WHAT HAS Weiss done!, he owned without breaking a sweat 3 Blood Burst Rosso (like Zack could even do that she fought Cloud and even had him fighting Feircely in DoC) plus Arch Azul who Chaos had to beat dude (and he said he hadent even warmed up) that’s impressive enough isn’t it?, plus he had the Restictor’s in fear of him and they were Immencely powerful (all being ubove 1st).

But he wasn’t Chaos completely now was he? Oh wow, he could wipe out all life...yeah Chaos is so bad ass he died from a kamikaze, I forget Sephiroth is above all of them. Omega isn’t even Weiss, he’s just a pwn. Actually there is nothing to suggest that there was anything after Rosso and Cloud collided, how do you know he didn’t one hit her? hahaha lol. Wow, Weiss beat Rosso and Azul, oh wow, Sephiroth laughs at this.
You said you don’t deny statements, but you are denying that Sephiroth is above Weiss, talk about being a freaking hypocrite.
Yea Gen and Seph are the best 1st Class Solider’s that’s why Angeal was stated as superior as the true perfect test and not Genesis who =Sephiroth... and Zack kicked Gen’s ass literaly, who fucking care’s Restrictor’s play with First Class even the 13th brigade were better than 1st and their the one’s who got owned by the Restrictor’s lmao, Weiss wouldent even bother with 1st (im sure it’s stated you need to be 1st class to even get in DG nevermind become a Tsveit) Plus to even become a Tsveit you get to challenge the best Weiss who is their leader and so called Emporer of Solider so Weiss has defeated everyone in DG heck Weiss dident even know who the fuck Genesis was that’s how important 1st Class hero’s are to DG when everyone in Migar knew Genesis...

Oh it’s so funny you try to use statements when it suits you, just such a hypocrite there is no point in even responding to your post.

You need to learn what being a hypocrite is all about, I would love to continue with this debate, but there is so much bullshit and double standard in your post that you fail epically.

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what the hell is this?

ok these are my forts like them or not i dont care

Waiss is from DG right? that means that he was better then top ranked 1st class soldiers just to get in to DG and then he bacame a Tsveit that means he is better then soldiers and then he bacame there Emporer and had the rastricters shiting them selves who if i remeber destroyed all 1st class soldiers with ease (so an army of people like Zack and Angeal) and as the leader of DG he has beet all the over Tsveit and mastered there abilateys and can beet Rosso and Azol at there max powers with one arm with out braken a sweet to me that is power

ok Cloud yes he beet sethy wich was but shit i think eney way in CC he was a wimp in 7 i would say he was just as good a Zack (in CC) and in AC he never menchend he cept traning sins he was a dalivary boy he may have got a littel stronger

so my forts are

Strongth: i say Cloud he relise more o his strength

Speed: waiss he is a speed buster and cloud is not

Skill: waiss he was all ways traning in his skill

durabilaty: waiss with his indestructable body

will to win: cloud thats a givenhe dusent give up

so they both have good pounts but i would have to go with

WAISS

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1. Yea cus Cloud so wasn’t hurt when he got shot Weiss just carried on fighting like nothing happened, Weiss is the Emporer of all SOLIDER, and the greatest Tsveit witch is > SOLIDER he is the Best.

2. Endurance is your compasity to take damage wtf, but it’s not like Cloud would last very long against an opponent he cannot see is it?, yea so i don’t belive Sephiroth is the strongest alone?

3. And SOLIDER is less than shit to Weiss or Restrictor Countless SOLIDER were slaughtered for ruining Restrictor’s mood thir low on the food chain those guy’s you call elite’s, Weiss is>SOLIDER he alway’s was since entering DG (my God he was 1st in CC way back when).

Regular 1st Class? ohh like Zack who beat Genesis and Angeal who were on Seph’s level yea regular whatever the fuck that mean’s are able to topple the best, and go Avalanche that’s omg impressive...

4. You don’t seem to know alot about DG, they were > SOLIDER the shadow of Shinra an elite army cunducted in secret the fact your so eluquantly trying to make is Sephiroth > all SOLIDER when he was never in DG..., omg if Genesis is SEPHIROTH’S equal and Zack owned him yet Sephiroth curbstomped Zack is that equal?

5. OMG lame, Cloud was infused with J-Cell’s Sephiroth had them in the womb just like Angeal and Weiss and Nero were injected in the womb Cloud is like Genesis injected after birth and both are weaker than the rest (nice try ^.-)

6. Yep Chaos is badass ^^ he died stoping Omega plus Weiss and returning the lifestream back to the planet and it is possible for both to return when the planet need’s them once more, oh yea Sephiroth’s sooo badass he died from a sword...yea that win’s by far in a test of shear awe, really fast sword play > exploeing and quakeing the earth? he is sooo ubove them pft.

Good question how do we know she dident one hit Cloud lol get bored? or just go after Vincent? all i know is she was fine upon fighting Vincent and able to fight to the best of her ability (not tired and beaten like after Vincent and Weiss or Restrictor), yep Weiss beat Rosso and Azul full power Seph laugh’s at nothing after being beaten by a noob 3 time’s.

So i think Weiss is equal to Sephiroth don’t cry about it lol.

7. And this relate’s down to your inability to form a decent argument when presented with the truth...so ill just post it again meh.

Yea Gen and Seph are the best 1st Class Solider’s that’s why Angeal was stated as superior as the true perfect test and not Genesis who =Sephiroth... and Zack kicked Gen’s ass literaly, who fucking care’s Restrictor’s play with First Class even the 13th brigade were better than 1st and their the one’s who got owned by the Restrictor’s lmao, Weiss wouldent even bother with 1st (im sure it’s stated you need to be 1st class to even get in DG nevermind become a Tsveit) Plus to even become a Tsveit you get to challenge the best Weiss who is their leader and so called Emporer of Solider so Weiss has defeated everyone in DG heck Weiss dident even know who the fuck Genesis was that’s how important 1st Class hero’s are to DG when everyone in Migar knew Genesis...

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ok these are my forts like them or not i dont care

Waiss is from DG right? that means that he was better then top ranked 1st class soldiers just to get in to DG and then he bacame a Tsveit that means he is better then soldiers and then he bacame there Emporer and had the rastricters shiting them selves who if i remeber destroyed all 1st class soldiers with ease (so an army of people like Zack and Angeal) and as the leader of DG he has beet all the over Tsveit and mastered there abilateys and can beet Rosso and Azol at there max powers with one arm with out braken a sweet to me that is power

ok Cloud yes he beet sethy wich was but shit i think eney way in CC he was a wimp in 7 i would say he was just as good a Zack (in CC) and in AC he never menchend he cept traning sins he was a dalivary boy he may have got a littel stronger

so my forts are

Strongth: i say Cloud he relise more o his strength

Speed: waiss he is a speed buster and cloud is not

Skill: waiss he was all ways traning in his skill

durabilaty: waiss with his indestructable body

will to win: cloud thats a givenhe dusent give up

so they both have good pounts but i would have to go with

WAISS


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Weiss hasn’t been training though. He has just been down in that room.

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I no longer debate with Kyle because of his double standard.

How’s it hanging Chibs?

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Buster Sword wrote: I no longer debate with Kyle because of his double standard.

How’s it hanging Chibs?

Summer School I is in right now sad

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Hahahaha you have summer school, oh lol.

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Buster Sword wrote: Hahahaha you have summer school, oh lol.

Yeah. But I still get to do whatever I want on teh computer pretty much but I’m tired as hell. I woke up yesturday at 4pm and then like spent from 10:30 or so till like...3 talking to my girlfriend and then I couldn’t get to sleep. So basically I watched “It’s Always Sunny in Philidelphia” and “Curb your Enthueasm” till my mom came in to 'wake me up'

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Hahaha, seems like you’ve been having fun then, is it the kind of tired, that you are so tired you can’t sleep?

Omfg you guys agreed that Broly would be Post Crisis Supes, I disagree but I don’t care enough to say anything.

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