| 10 Jul 2008 11:01 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 26  Joined: 08 Feb 2008 Posts: 3,105 OFFLINE | The Credit for this thread goes to Ido from Herochat forums.
What is the Phoenix Force?
Apparently its an multiversal entity, that resides within the M’Kraan crystal (nexus of realities).
Within it, is the “White Hot Room” which Phoenix Avatars can enter and do “Phoenix Work”.
Multiversal you say?
Yes the Force is multi-versal, the force manifest itself across countless realities in efforts to find a suitable host. And ultimately perform “Phoenix Work”.
Phoenix Work, what is it?
Well it’s a number of things, intervening potential threat (it could range from planetary to universal), or anything that might stop the progression of evolution. But ultimately it comes down to incite the cycle of death/rebirth of the universe itself.
So each avatar holds the power of a Multiverse?
No, not exactly. Though they become the host of a manifest Multiversal Entity. Their range of authority, control does not exceed its universes level (within its designated reality). You see each PF Avatar authority does not carry, over from ware the Phoenix originally manifested on. However, we have seen instances where it held control over two realities (616 and 15104), Save the universe from destruction (incidentally retconed to Multiverse), and usurp control of other Phoenix Avatars (Recent What If).
Can the Phoenix Force be killed?
Yes and No. Yes you can kill the avatar and apparently the Manifested Force itself, but the Phoenix Force would just resurrected itself (and a good chance the Avatar would resurrect as well, if the Force chooses to). However its my own theory that in order to permanently kill the Manifestation. You would have to kill the Phoenix Force entity that resides in the White Hot Room. A hard task, because the White Hot Room exists outside the Multiverse. And attempting to breach in, would mean engaging the M’Kraan Crystal Guardians, Nightmare Field, and the countless Avatars residing in the room of creation.
So ware would she be in a match?
That’s a tricky question. One minute a planetary stroke subdues her by the hands of Xorn, next minute the Phoenix is seen wiping out Solar System with Cosmic Level beings. The Phoenix Rage or confrontation could escalate to universal destruction.
Her power finite or limitless?
Good question, it seems that outside the White Hot Room. The Phoenix has a finite amount (limit) of power/energy. This is why we have several instances of her draining energy from viable sources. However it is later stated, and confirmed that if she wishes. She could tap energy from future generations and deny them existence (Galactus - Excalibur volume 1 issue #61). [/B]
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| 10 Jul 2008 11:03 pm |
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1outofDAinfinite wrote:
Everyday I think people can’t get any more stupid everyday I’m proven wrong.
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| 10 Jul 2008 11:05 pm |
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1outofDAinfinite wrote:
Everyday I think people can’t get any more stupid everyday I’m proven wrong.
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| 10 Jul 2008 11:07 pm |
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| 10 Jul 2008 11:07 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 26Joined: 08 Feb 2008 Posts: 3,105 OFFLINE | Dark Phoenix Continued. Uncanny X-Men 129-137 
After Phoenix is done toying with the X-Men. She takes flight to the cosmos.
This is the first and only time they get a reading on the Dark Phoenix power level. Mr. Fantastic reading indicate its energy level is on par with Galactus.
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In the mist of interstellar flight. She creates her own “Stargate”. And proceeds to consume a Sun neighboring a planet.
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Phoenix consumes the Sun energy, the consequence of this. Is the Sun going Supernova, destroying the neighboring planet. As you can clearly see, Phoenix was in the dead center of the Supernova.
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Shi"Ar Imperial Battle Cruiser (not your average, space ship) picks up on the situation. And proceeds to engage.
Phoenix makes short work of them.
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This scan shows to prove that The, Shi"Ar ship she destroyed was top of the line.
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When she comes, back she shows of molecular readjustment. Turns the plant into crystals. Moments later she gets a psi inhibiter planted in her. And a Rematch with the X-Men, Jean is handicapped.
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Well Phoenix kicked the X-Mens ass, overloading the psi inhibiter. She is about to snap back into her senses, when Xavier intervenes and another Psi battle commences.
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Note: yes Xavier succeeds…“With” Jeans help. Jean is already a Telepath of the first order, and was previously seen making short work of another respectable Telepath (Emma Frost). Do you really think Xavier could have pulled it off alone?
1outofDAinfinite wrote:
Everyday I think people can’t get any more stupid everyday I’m proven wrong.
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| 10 Jul 2008 11:12 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 18 Joined: 25 Oct 2007 Posts: 3,621 OFFLINE | The Pheonix is unstopable ---
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| 10 Jul 2008 11:17 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 18Joined: 25 Oct 2007 Posts: 3,621 OFFLINE | No really it cannot be stoped! ---
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| 10 Jul 2008 11:21 pm |
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| 10 Jul 2008 11:23 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 18Joined: 25 Oct 2007 Posts: 3,621 OFFLINE | Fair enough don’t belive me... ---
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| 10 Jul 2008 11:24 pm |
Knight of Ratatosk Rep: 36 Joined: 05 Oct 2007 Posts: 5,147 ONLINE | One Above All. >___> ---
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| 10 Jul 2008 11:25 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 18Joined: 25 Oct 2007 Posts: 3,621 OFFLINE | What about it? ---
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| 10 Jul 2008 11:27 pm |
Knight of Ratatosk Rep: 36Joined: 05 Oct 2007 Posts: 5,147 ONLINE | Kyle Knight wrote:
What about it?
One Above All stops Phoenix.
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| 10 Jul 2008 11:30 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 18Joined: 25 Oct 2007 Posts: 3,621 OFFLINE | How? it can’t be defeated? ---
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| 10 Jul 2008 11:32 pm |
Knight of Ratatosk Rep: 36Joined: 05 Oct 2007 Posts: 5,147 ONLINE | Kyle Knight wrote:
How? it can’t be defeated?
The One Above All is omnipotent, omnipresent, and omniscient.
It’s above The Phoenix.
However, I think The Phoenix is above Living Tribunal.
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| 10 Jul 2008 11:36 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 18Joined: 25 Oct 2007 Posts: 3,621 OFFLINE | Erm the Phoenix cannot be defeated,
Can the Phoenix Force be killed?
Yes and No. Yes you can kill the avatar and apparently the Manifested Force itself, but the Phoenix Force would just resurrected itself (and a good chance the Avatar would resurrect as well, if the Force chooses to). However its my own theory that in order to permanently kill the Manifestation. You would have to kill the Phoenix Force entity that resides in the White Hot Room. A hard task, because the White Hot Room exists outside the Multiverse. And attempting to breach in, would mean engaging the M’Kraan Crystal Guardians, Nightmare Field, and the countless Avatars residing in the room of creation.
Her power finite or limitless?
Good question, it seems that outside the White Hot Room. The Phoenix has a finite amount (limit) of power/energy. This is why we have several instances of her draining energy from viable sources. However it is later stated, and confirmed that if she wishes. She could tap energy from future generations and deny them existence (Galactus - Excalibur volume 1 issue #61). ---
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| 10 Jul 2008 11:40 pm |
Knight of Ratatosk Rep: 36Joined: 05 Oct 2007 Posts: 5,147 ONLINE | Kyle Knight wrote:
Erm the Phoenix cannot be defeated,
Can the Phoenix Force be killed?
Yes and No. Yes you can kill the avatar and apparently the Manifested Force itself, but the Phoenix Force would just resurrected itself (and a good chance the Avatar would resurrect as well, if the Force chooses to). However its my own theory that in order to permanently kill the Manifestation. You would have to kill the Phoenix Force entity that resides in the White Hot Room. A hard task, because the White Hot Room exists outside the Multiverse. And attempting to breach in, would mean engaging the M’Kraan Crystal Guardians, Nightmare Field, and the countless Avatars residing in the room of creation.
Her power finite or limitless?
Good question, it seems that outside the White Hot Room. The Phoenix has a finite amount (limit) of power/energy. This is why we have several instances of her draining energy from viable sources. However it is later stated, and confirmed that if she wishes. She could tap energy from future generations and deny them existence (Galactus - Excalibur volume 1 issue #61).
Who cares? One above all is above Phoenix.
OOA is a God of the said universe.
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| 10 Jul 2008 11:43 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 18Joined: 25 Oct 2007 Posts: 3,621 OFFLINE | He is a God so what...The God’s made the Phoenix to unite with the ultimate potentail being createing a God ubove all other God’s a being to surpass them all don’t you read? ---
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| 10 Jul 2008 11:45 pm |
Knight of Ratatosk Rep: 36Joined: 05 Oct 2007 Posts: 5,147 ONLINE | Kyle Knight wrote:
He is a God so what...The God’s made the Phoenix to unite with the ultimate potentail being createing a God ubove all other God’s a being to surpass them all don’t you read?
One-Above-All is literally ABOVE ALL.
He denies Phoenix’s existence.
Omnipotent: “Omnipotence (literally, “all power”  is power with no limits or inexhaustible, in other words, unlimited power. This trait is usually attributed only to God. Theists hold that examples of God’s omnipotence include Creation and miracles."
ZOMG Immortal Phoenix? Not anymore. One-Above-All strips away its immortality.
Think of TOAA as a marvel writer.
If Phoenix won, Phoenix would be The One Above All.
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| 10 Jul 2008 11:46 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 26Joined: 08 Feb 2008 Posts: 3,105 OFFLINE | The Phoenix starts to manifest once again in New X-Man 120. And its during this run, that a new law is established. Now Jean and the Phoenix are truly merged and one of the same.
Note - previously the Phoenix Force, would claim that it would bond with its avatar it chose to. But the avatar had no say, if the Force decided to leave. Now it is shown that Jean willingly can merge back with the Force, regardless if the Force thinks it has left its host. Again this is because now they ware one in the same.
X-Man 120
Jean threatens to tear apart its enemies molecule by molecule.
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Two things to look out for (1) Definition of Telekinetic Godhood, (2) Precognition.
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Jean stops the bullet in mid air, and can analyze the object to a molecular level.
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New X-Men 139
Remember not even Telepaths of the first order are a match for the Phoenix.
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New X-Men 141
Telekinetically fuses molecules back together of Miss Dear Emma Frost.
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New X-Men 148
Jean attempts to explain what it means to wield the Phoenix. You have to keep in mind, that avatars are limited to how much self awareness they have over the Force. The greater the self awareness, the grander scale they can wield the Force. Interesting comment from logan is that, Jean could make her own universe and set it strait. However (and I agree to this), Phoenix is not about bending reality or creating one to its mind set, even if its within her power set.
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And this is how Logan decides to ease Jean death..but ends up liberating the Force through death.
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New X-Men 150
Ah the dreaded issue where Xorn kills the Phoenix (supposedly). Anyhow Jean comments she build a ship by manipulating energy on a molecular level. This is using the sun energy to power, the left over scraps of the asteroid (now molded into space craft). Jean last comment is she has no clue, how long the Phoenix will permit her to live.
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Note Issue 150, ends with 150 years into the direct future of 616 continuality. Remember, the Phoenix lives to perform a task. And as it has bin previously established, willingly it can exist outside time and space manipulate time and affirm a certain level of precognition. I could interpret the significance of why Xorn managed “Kill” Jean, even though Jean has withstood worse. However, I will just let you draw your own conclusion with the given evidence, back history and material to back track.
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Interesting reference, Jean/Phoenix makes reference to Here Comes Tomorrow, in X-Men Phoenix End Song #5.
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